Come on man - 11 GB of phantastic girls with several possible relationships and an amazing story isn´t worth for your HDD?
Why? MC's action is completely justified from a legal point of view. Before his eyes, some crazy woman hits a girl with her car and then tries to shoot him. Perhaps she wants to kill him and get rid of the witness to avoid punishment. He has every right to self-defense.
The principle of proportionality doesn't apply to the theft, the theft is quantifiable. All the Holgersons need is for those cameras that Bella claims are inactive to be recording, and Nika is screwed. There is no such thing as proportionality in morality, that is why the saying two wrongs don't make a right is a great guide. Most importantly, criminal acts in society are not mitigated by any criminal activity on the other side. I can't murder a drug dealer, I can't take the law into my own hands and decide what is fitting.
Thats how I felt with the scene with Mila at the tree spot Nadia told her about. The original scene was more intimate, they were physically close, Steam one when they are talking they are distant the feels was gone. Overall feels like the emotions of the entire story got watered down.
Marla was protecting the girl from the bizarre behavior of the MC, as he behaved like a total lunatic. The whole scene was ridiculous.
Prior to Ch 3 we had some sort of anti hero noire style VN and made sense in context of a sadist with a tormented past. It was cut once the rework started and the plot direction changed - it was merely one of the last legacies of the original story to be removed.
This.
Question about english terminology, when you say Stefan is planning on having a mistress, is nothing related to femdom stuff right? The only time i see the word "mistress" is in femdom games but i´m not sure that meaning is the same in your setence. I have seen that expression in other games like Yakuza Saga and i always think about femdom stuff but it doesn´t make sense with the situation. Is just for learn and be sure for the next time i see the word
I´m sorry guys, but i´m with the other side of this discussion.
First, he was NOT defending himself.
By the way, you are going to report me because i´m off topic but you have written your opinion too, and after doing it you have realized that this is off topic and bla bla bla.
I agree with you about the current efforts to 'protect' criminals from the consequences of their choices.Question about english terminology, when you say Stefan is planning on having a mistress, is nothing related to femdom stuff right? The only time i see the word "mistress" is in femdom games but i´m not sure that meaning is the same in your setence. I have seen that expression in other games like Yakuza Saga and i always think about femdom stuff but it doesn´t make sense with the situation. Is just for learn and be sure for the next time i see the word
About the tag of domination yeah, i have always thought that those tags are for future content, but i don´t know how works the tag thing. Mods (i suppose) put them knowing the future content or the tags are added when a new content/kink appear in the game?
I´m sorry guys, but i´m with the other side of this discussion.
If someone enter in my house and i´m a hunter, i will probably take my gun and shoot the intruder even if he is laying in the floor disarmed and reduced.
Both of you are right, of course, and you have the law with you but i think criminals lose their rights when they try to attack other people´s rights. I don´t know if you know Bukele, president of El Salvador in center/south America, i like his model of treatment for criminals.
In my country, Spain, some months ago there was a case very polemic, an old man with 80 years old killed a guy who had a criminal past when he entered to his house with a chainsaw for steal him. The old man was a hunter in his young days so he grabbed his gun and shot the intruder, and when the intruder was in the floor blooding the old mand reloaded his weapon and shot him again, this time in the head (or back, i don´t remember well). The old man was accused of murder and was forced to pay a compensation to the intruder family...
In that case yeah, the laws are for everyone and he comitted a crime too, even if he was only defending himself, his wife and his property but... Seems like criminals have more rights than normal people, and justice seems to fight more againts citizens who drive above the limit speed than punish criminals who rape, murder, make traffic drugs...
We have already discussed this. I agree with everything listed specifically regarding the theft of money and do not condone it (precisely this). The principle of proportionality is used in judicial systems and it would be strange not to apply it when making any personal decisions. The trivial question is “is it worth it or not.”The principle of proportionality doesn't apply to the theft, the theft is quantifiable. All the Holgersons need is for those cameras that Bella claims are inactive to be recording, and Nika is screwed. There is no such thing as proportionality in morality, that is why the saying two wrongs don't make a right is a great guide. Most importantly, criminal acts in society are not mitigated by any criminal activity on the other side. I can't murder a drug dealer, I can't take the law into my own hands and decide what is fitting.
An eye for an eye is not justice; the point of law is not to preserve moral behaviour, it is to preserve social function - the rules exist essentially to keep peace within the container we call society while we're all stuck in it. If I wish to make comparitive morality, I can only do so when my threat/power is greater than society's collective power - I have to have either enough leverage or force to ensure no one can bring consequences, or hope I am small and petty enough to not be worth the effort of punishment.
However, SG's universe has a theme of every action having a consequence (which is something Nika repeats to himself), so comparitive morality is a lie in the games narrative. Nika believes he can be a vigilante (or as you say, simply doesn't care for a variety of plausible reasons). But consider it this way: if there are such intense consequences for winning a basketball game through simple mind games, how would a sliding scale work for theft? I'd imagine execution at least
Getting back to the money thing, in a legal sense, if Nika is caught, no one will care about motives. He took the money, we even know that his motives were purely selfish, and he just wanted it - he took the opportunity. THere is no ay to mitigate his motivations by comparisons to the Holgersons (who we have no evidence of any wrong doing prior to this moment). Nika breaks and enters, destroys property and steals money purely because he hates the guy for dissing his appearance and being associated with people who verbally bullied Mila (despite her calming the situation down and letting it go). So Nika's reasons are not at that moment about the 'plan'. That comes the following day. They are just doing this purely on spite.
Oh and I forgot this quote about Bella's beliefs about Stefan, because my memory of the changes in S1 Full hasn't yet sunk in:
I don't agree. This is not entirely true, in my opinion. The plan begins to work with Nika at night when this decision is given to the player. Further, in the case of both options, the essence of the conversation in Bella’s room can be tailored to your choice. Until this moment, Nika also has time to think whether his “fun” is worth the consequences.
Here. I like this version too. She just fits my assumption about the Holgersons' awareness. They needed a reason to ruin Mila’s life (but I don’t think that this is just another “plan”, rather they are just assholes) and the eldest needed some kind of leverage in relation to Bella, be it because of a boner or just so that she would stop wedging in his relationship with Amber. And here and there the phrase “we know that it was you, but...” comes up.
Oh yeah, mistress is an old fashioned english word for the female partner outside of your marriage, the person you regularly cheat with. I'm saying Stefan isn't looking for a girlfirend if he's after Amber, he'd divorce his wife first. If he doesn't Amber immediately knows that Stefan is only using her for sex and is keeping her on the side, while keeping his wife for appearances.Question about english terminology, when you say Stefan is planning on having a mistress, is nothing related to femdom stuff right? The only time i see the word "mistress" is in femdom games but i´m not sure that meaning is the same in your setence. I have seen that expression in other games like Yakuza Saga and i always think about femdom stuff but it doesn´t make sense with the situation. Is just for learn and be sure for the next time i see the word
About the tag of domination yeah, i have always thought that those tags are for future content, but i don´t know how works the tag thing. Mods (i suppose) put them knowing the future content or the tags are added when a new content/kink appear in the game?
I´m sorry guys, but i´m with the other side of this discussion.
If someone enter in my house and i´m a hunter, i will probably take my gun and shoot the intruder even if he is laying in the floor disarmed and reduced.
Both of you are right, of course, and you have the law with you but i think criminals lose their rights when they try to attack other people´s rights. I don´t know if you know Bukele, president of El Salvador in center/south America, i like his model of treatment for criminals.
In my country, Spain, some months ago there was a case very polemic, an old man with 80 years old killed a guy who had a criminal past when he entered to his house with a chainsaw for steal him. The old man was a hunter in his young days so he grabbed his gun and shot the intruder, and when the intruder was in the floor blooding the old mand reloaded his weapon and shot him again, this time in the head (or back, i don´t remember well). The old man was accused of murder and was forced to pay a compensation to the intruder family...
In that case yeah, the laws are for everyone and he comitted a crime too, even if he was only defending himself, his wife and his property but... Seems like criminals have more rights than normal people, and justice seems to fight more againts citizens who drive above the limit speed than punish criminals who rape, murder, make traffic drugs...
Of course Pax, I agree - except that the more consistent the world building, the more impact of the story. I regularly play RPGs which require suspension of disbelief, but the internal cause and effect has to obey its own logic, otherwise everything happens randomly.I agree with you about the current efforts to 'protect' criminals from the consequences of their choices.
I think, like a number of the discussions we have on this thread, that we need to remember that SG is an AVN taking place within a society that has law and order but not specifically one RL set of rules from any one country.
It establishes the framework within which this story can be told and enjoyed by people from many countries and does so in a manner that allows for us to recognize in SG - many/all of the things we have seen in the country/countries we have lived/live in:
* Theft from the Holgersons occurs with some kind of future consequences (the who and what TBD)
* Bullies like Melanie Ceril seem to get away with middle school (in the U.S - the equivalent of school for kids of about 12 - 14 years of age) and likely high school (the equivalent of school for kids of about 15 - 18 years of age) attacks on kids about their age.
* Police officers harass specific people, often with impunity (justified/unjustified)
* The disappearance/death of children
These are just a few examples.
My point is the framework is meant to provide basic boundaries for the story but not interfere with the telling of the story.
We need to bring a measure of the 'suspension of disbelief' to enjoy many stories and this is just one.
Ex. I am looking forward to the chance for the MC to romance Amber and get physical with that Very Hot MILF.
This means that, in RL - she would be putting her professional reputation and licenses in jeopardy to have sex and romance with one of her younger patients.
In AVN world - this is fine - we accept that this is part of the story.
I think we need to bring the same kind of acceptance to other 'rough edges' of the Summers Gone story.
Who cares that the drug named by Ocean (when Sasha gives the MC a pill to help stop his panic attack during the book club event) has XYZ effects over time versus ABC effects over time.
We all understood - from the perspective of the story - what was happening (and got to enjoy discussions focused on another detail from the mystery of Sasha).
It is, after all, Not a true-life retelling of certain events with an emphasis on verifiable events only...
Cheers!!
I think we're mostly understanding each other's points of view now even if we have differences, so it has been profitable to explore this topic.
Exactly. You sound like a viewer who knows Marla's actions, but have you tried to put yourself in the MC's shoes? What would you do if a gun was pointed at you?
