VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Question about english terminology, when you say Stefan is planning on having a mistress, is nothing related to femdom stuff right? The only time i see the word "mistress" is in femdom games but i´m not sure that meaning is the same in your setence. I have seen that expression in other games like Yakuza Saga and i always think about femdom stuff but it doesn´t make sense with the situation. Is just for learn and be sure for the next time i see the word

About the tag of domination yeah, i have always thought that those tags are for future content, but i don´t know how works the tag thing. Mods (i suppose) put them knowing the future content or the tags are added when a new content/kink appear in the game?



I´m sorry guys, but i´m with the other side of this discussion.
If someone enter in my house and i´m a hunter, i will probably take my gun and shoot the intruder even if he is laying in the floor disarmed and reduced.

Both of you are right, of course, and you have the law with you but i think criminals lose their rights when they try to attack other people´s rights. I don´t know if you know Bukele, president of El Salvador in center/south America, i like his model of treatment for criminals.

In my country, Spain, some months ago there was a case very polemic, an old man with 80 years old killed a guy who had a criminal past when he entered to his house with a chainsaw for steal him. The old man was a hunter in his young days so he grabbed his gun and shot the intruder, and when the intruder was in the floor blooding the old mand reloaded his weapon and shot him again, this time in the head (or back, i don´t remember well). The old man was accused of murder and was forced to pay a compensation to the intruder family...

In that case yeah, the laws are for everyone and he comitted a crime too, even if he was only defending himself, his wife and his property but... Seems like criminals have more rights than normal people, and justice seems to fight more againts citizens who drive above the limit speed than punish criminals who rape, murder, make traffic drugs...

Oh yeah, mistress is an old fashioned english word for the female partner outside of your marriage, the person you regularly cheat with. I'm saying Stefan isn't looking for a girlfirend if he's after Amber, he'd divorce his wife first. If he doesn't Amber immediately knows that Stefan is only using her for sex and is keeping her on the side, while keeping his wife for appearances.

I'm just glad we don't have a character who shoots people after disarming them. I can get plenty of games like that on steam already

I agree with you about the current efforts to 'protect' criminals from the consequences of their choices.

I think, like a number of the discussions we have on this thread, that we need to remember that SG is an AVN taking place within a society that has law and order but not specifically one RL set of rules from any one country.

It establishes the framework within which this story can be told and enjoyed by people from many countries and does so in a manner that allows for us to recognize in SG - many/all of the things we have seen in the country/countries we have lived/live in:

* Theft from the Holgersons occurs with some kind of future consequences (the who and what TBD)
* Bullies like Melanie Ceril seem to get away with middle school (in the U.S - the equivalent of school for kids of about 12 - 14 years of age) and likely high school (the equivalent of school for kids of about 15 - 18 years of age) attacks on kids about their age.
* Police officers harass specific people, often with impunity (justified/unjustified)
* The disappearance/death of children

These are just a few examples.

My point is the framework is meant to provide basic boundaries for the story but not interfere with the telling of the story.

We need to bring a measure of the 'suspension of disbelief' to enjoy many stories and this is just one.

Ex. I am looking forward to the chance for the MC to romance Amber and get physical with that Very Hot MILF.

This means that, in RL - she would be putting her professional reputation and licenses in jeopardy to have sex and romance with one of her younger patients.

In AVN world - this is fine - we accept that this is part of the story.

I think we need to bring the same kind of acceptance to other 'rough edges' of the Summers Gone story.

Who cares that the drug named by Ocean (when Sasha gives the MC a pill to help stop his panic attack during the book club event) has XYZ effects over time versus ABC effects over time.

We all understood - from the perspective of the story - what was happening (and got to enjoy discussions focused on another detail from the mystery of Sasha).

It is, after all, Not a true-life retelling of certain events with an emphasis on verifiable events only...

Cheers!!

Of course Pax, I agree - except that the more consistent the world building, the more impact of the story. I regularly play RPGs which require suspension of disbelief, but the internal cause and effect has to obey its own logic, otherwise everything happens randomly.

I think it's also valuale to some people to see where our attention is being pushed by the narrative - is Ocean specifically misleading us about this character or this situation? Is he hiding something behind the actions? Mostly the answer is yes, Ocean has ulterior motives in most characterisations, so digging in to the reasons is one way to guess at some of the connections between characters and events, especially how the wider concept of the shared universe develops.

This is not to detract from the simple enjoyment of the story unfolding of course. Something well written should be able to be enjoyed with our without subtext.

We have already discussed this. I agree with everything listed specifically regarding the theft of money and do not condone it (precisely this). The principle of proportionality is used in judicial systems and it would be strange not to apply it when making any personal decisions. The trivial question is “is it worth it or not.”

We have no objective reasons not to trust Bella's words about cameras. If we just go back to the assumption I mentioned in another dialogue, that Holgerson knows who really got into the house and wants to use it somehow. Oooh, evil genius.

Morality is an even wider swamp. There are generally accepted dogmas, and there are personal distortions. For some reason, one example came to mind (I have no idea why) from Battlestar Galactic. In one of the episodes the hero needs to make a decision and shoot at the “bus”. The threat may or may not be real, but the cost is all passengers. From a moral point of view, these are equally interesting scales. You are either a highly moral hero who saved everyone and made a difficult decision. Or a mass murderer. I emphasize that this is just an example to highlight the flexibility and individuality of morality.
[Note in the margin. It’s kind of sad that they don’t make stories like this in TV series anymore. Wrong egg size.]
Further. Criminal acts are not always perceived poorly by society and are very often mitigated through presentation and purpose. If a police officer shoots a robber running into a crowded store with a toy shotgun without first shouting a code phrase, he will break the law and be condemned by the system. But you are unlikely to hear condemnation of his actions from representatives of society.

I didn’t say to throw around the phrase “an eye for an eye.” All I'm saying is that if you don't like a person, you can put a nail under his ass.
It’s important here that I apply all these moral things to actions. Nika himself can say anything. Maybe in the SG universe you are immediately shot for theft (often he just talks pretentious bullshit that sounds like self-justification).



I don't agree. This is not entirely true, in my opinion. The plan begins to work with Nika at night when this decision is given to the player. Further, in the case of both options, the essence of the conversation in Bella’s room can be tailored to your choice. Until this moment, Nika also has time to think whether his “fun” is worth the consequences.
(But there is one nuance here, I don’t remember how the plot goes if you don’t go anywhere at night. I went through this line once, quickly, for the sake of interest.)




Here. I like this version too. She just fits my assumption about the Holgersons' awareness. They needed a reason to ruin Mila’s life (but I don’t think that this is just another “plan”, rather they are just assholes) and the eldest needed some kind of leverage in relation to Bella, be it because of a boner or just so that she would stop wedging in his relationship with Amber. And here and there the phrase “we know that it was you, but...” comes up.

I think we're mostly understanding each other's points of view now even if we have differences, so it has been profitable to explore this topic.

The thing I mainly disagree with is "All I'm saying is that if you don't like a person, you can put a nail under his ass." This to me IS Nika's problem. He doesn't like Mario, and after being criminal, says he now wants to get more revenge. Where does this end? It is completely unbalanced, and he exploited Bella to do it, specifically mentioning she's emotionally vulnerable right now before outlining the plan.

The second thing is that Bella goes on the heist whether or not Nika joins. This is a separate one off thing. The next day, Stefan appears mentions he was robbed by Mila to AMber, and mentions the Gala. THEN Nika and Bella develop the plan involving getting Stefan to sleep with Mario's gf. The heist was spontaneous, not part of the plan, which is why Nika know nothing about heirlooms until Bella went further than defacing Mario's car.

If Nika doesn't go on the heist, you still start the plan at exactly the same point - the heist is not canon, but the plan is for every playthrough, and Mila is still blamed. If Nika doesn't go, Nika talks with Nami, and it is mentioned that Nika has been charged before. Obviously we can't know in one playthrough. It also affects whether Bella kicks you in the nuts or not in the basketball game.

 

[AlexFXR]

Marla was protecting the girl from the bizarre behavior of the MC, as he behaved like a total lunatic. The whole scene was ridiculous.
What an odd way to start a game whose plot revolves around healing ...

Exactly. You sound like a viewer who knows Marla's actions, but have you tried to put yourself in the MC's shoes? What would you do if a gun was pointed at you?

I don’t quite understand how this is related to the temporary impotence of MC? He has been suffering from impotence for several years, and in all these years he has never turned to a doctor with this problem. There are a lot of plot holes associated with this.

 

[Ottoeight]

By the way, you are going to report me because i´m off topic but you have written your opinion too, and after doing it you have realized that this is off topic and bla bla bla.

Are you going to report yourself too for doing the same or you just are upset because i don´t have the same opinion as you?

If they wipe it off, they'll wipe my answer as well, of course. As it always happens.

 

[alanrock]

Exactly. You sound like a viewer who knows Marla's actions, but have you tried to put yourself in the MC's shoes? What would you do if a gun was pointed at you?

I don’t quite understand how this is related to the temporary impotence of MC? He has been suffering from impotence for several years, and in all these years he has never turned to a doctor with this problem. There are a lot of plot holes associated with this.

Slow down. The specifics of Nika's trauma are still unknown to us. What happened to Summer, and why is she "gone"? Ocean will take years to give us this tale, depending on how many chapters remain.
So buckle up and enjoy the ride while ....

 

[Maviarab]

Question about english terminology, when you say Stefan is planning on having a mistress, is nothing related to femdom stuff right? The only time i see the word "mistress" is in femdom games but i´m not sure that meaning is the same in your setence.

Modern take on the world. The word has historically, for hundreds of years, been used to refer to a side piece away from your marriage.

 

[wizardcock]

Devlog today, I can't wait.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Oh yeah, mistress is an old fashioned english word for the female partner outside of your marriage, the person you regularly cheat with. I'm saying Stefan isn't looking for a girlfirend if he's after Amber, he'd divorce his wife first. If he doesn't Amber immediately knows that Stefan is only using her for sex and is keeping her on the side, while keeping his wife for appearances.

I'm just glad we don't have a character who shoots people after disarming them. I can get plenty of games like that on steam already



Of course Pax, I agree - except that the more consistent the world building, the more impact of the story. I regularly play RPGs which require suspension of disbelief, but the internal cause and effect has to obey its own logic, otherwise everything happens randomly.

I think it's also valuale to some people to see where our attention is being pushed by the narrative - is Ocean specifically misleading us about this character or this situation? Is he hiding something behind the actions? Mostly the answer is yes, Ocean has ulterior motives in most characterisations, so digging in to the reasons is one way to guess at some of the connections between characters and events, especially how the wider concept of the shared universe develops.

This is not to detract from the simple enjoyment of the story unfolding of course. Something well written should be able to be enjoyed with our without subtext.



I think we're mostly understanding each other's points of view now even if we have differences, so it has been profitable to explore this topic.

The thing I mainly disagree with is "All I'm saying is that if you don't like a person, you can put a nail under his ass." This to me IS Nika's problem. He doesn't like Mario, and after being criminal, says he now wants to get more revenge. Where does this end? It is completely unbalanced, and he exploited Bella to do it, specifically mentioning she's emotionally vulnerable right now before outlining the plan.

The second thing is that Bella goes on the heist whether or not Nika joins. This is a separate one off thing. The next day, Stefan appears mentions he was robbed by Mila to AMber, and mentions the Gala. THEN Nika and Bella develop the plan involving getting Stefan to sleep with Mario's gf. The heist was spontaneous, not part of the plan, which is why Nika know nothing about heirlooms until Bella went further than defacing Mario's car.

If Nika doesn't go on the heist, you still start the plan at exactly the same point - the heist is not canon, but the plan is for every playthrough, and Mila is still blamed. If Nika doesn't go, Nika talks with Nami, and it is mentioned that Nika has been charged before. Obviously we can't know in one playthrough. It also affects whether Bella kicks you in the nuts or not in the basketball game.

I agree that we want a cohesive story where - simplistically said - 'Blue' is 'Blue' all the time.

I also think that we can get into the garden called SG and find ourselves trying to decide ...

Is that a Rose and we need to pay attention

or

Is it a weed and who cares - not important.

Ocean does a good job showing multiple layers of the story in his renders and background imagery often tells part of the larger story.

We should get more imagery (Zara focus if she gets an A) in today's dev log.

Zara is currently my second fav LI so I am good with some teasing from a beauty like Zara!

Cheers!!

 

[BobTheDuck]

I agree that we want a cohesive story where - simplistically said - 'Blue' is 'Blue' all the time.

I also think that we can get into the garden called SG and find ourselves trying to decide ...

Is that a Rose and we need to pay attention

or

Is it a weed and who cares - not important.

Ocean does a good job showing multiple layers of the story in his renders and background imagery often tells part of the larger story.

We should get more imagery (Zara focus if she gets an A) in today's dev log.

Zara is currently my second fav LI so I am good with some teasing from a beauty like Zara!

Cheers!!

I hope:

- Goth bus/pizza girl is a black rose, and not a burnt herb.
- Sasha's redhed friend is no red herring.

and!

If Ocean is doing non canon side stories, I'll be hoping he stars some of the non LI's liek Maja (who deserves sexy time without needing toys).

 

[RNasc4444]

If Ocean is doing non canon side stories, I'll be hoping he stars some of the non LI's liek Maja (who deserves sexy time without needing toys).

Pls God yes! My top 3 has always been Bella, Nami and Sasha because I've pretty much always assumed Maja would never be more than a side character with an optional scene at most. If she was an LI, she would be my #1 by a mile. Poor Sasha would fall off my top 3.

 

[Maviarab]

Pls God yes! My top 3 has always been Bella, Nami and Sasha because I've pretty much always assumed Maja would never be more than a side character with an optional scene at most. If she was an LI, she would be my #1 by a mile. Poor Sasha would fall off my top 3.

We will always agree on Maja

 

[yossa999]

We will always agree on Maja

Okay, everyone agreed, now all that's left is to convince Ocean to make a non-canon story for her.

 

[Acsuka]

Okay, everyone agreed, now all that's left is to convince Ocean to make a non-canon story for her.

And in what life would Ocean do that? WIAB,SG,SG Steam... Wait there might be WIAB Steam... How many lives does it have? 9 like cats?

 

[BobTheDuck]

And in what life would Ocean do that? WIAB,SG,SG Steam... Wait there might be WIAB Steam... How many lives does it have? 7 like cats?

He's already doing non-canon side stories for SG season 2. Most likely they're ideas he wants to put in the game, but they're maybe not consistent enough with the main story line, so it's either ditch them, or add them as sides.

I'm not thinking a fully fledged Maja side story, just a bonus scene.

 

[Acsuka]

He's already doing non-canon side stories for SG season 2. Most likely they're ideas he wants to put in the game, but they're maybe not consistent enough with the main story line, so it's either ditch them, or add them as sides.

I'm not thinking a fully fledged Maja side story, just a bonus scene.

I understand your point perfectly... However, you and everyone else know that every minute spent not on the main story increases the release times... And everyone wants fresh content for both Main games, which is crazy in itself, that he makes two games of this quality at the same time... In order to fulfill everyone's wishes, he would have to work "25" hours a day, because there are so many wishes... But this also shows how many players love these two games, because they really move their fantasy...

 

[yossa999]

And in what life would Ocean do that? WIAB,SG,SG Steam... Wait there might be WIAB Steam... How many lives does it have? 9 like cats?

It's simple. He is already learning Blender, devoting some time to it. It’s just that now, instead of unrelated renders, he will make short non-canonical stories. At least that's how I understood it.

 

[Acsuka]

It's simple. He is already learning Blender, devoting some time to it. It’s just that now, instead of unrelated renders, he will make short non-canonical stories. At least that's how I understood it.

This is "crazy" in every way... I love both games and I just hope that both games will have the word "completed" behind their names...

 

[Cabin Fever]

Pls God yes! My top 3 has always been Bella, Nami and Sasha because I've pretty much always assumed Maja would never be more than a side character with an optional scene at most. If she was an LI, she would be my #1 by a mile. Poor Sasha would fall off my top 3.

We will always agree on Maja

Okay, everyone agreed, now all that's left is to convince Ocean to make a non-canon story for her.

While I wouldn't kick Maja out of the bed given the opportunity, I'd take Robin over her for the top side girl. For some reason she gives me the vibe of a perfect balance between being sweet and normal in public but wild and freaky in bed.

 

[mostwanted8]

Maja you guys?? She's nothing to write home about and you don't want to be stuck with Victoria for the rest of your lives
No, Ocean should work more on this smokeshow

And give us a foursome with her hot subordinates

 

[BobTheDuck]

Maja you guys?? She's nothing to write home about and you don't want to be stuck with Victoria for the rest of your lives
No, Ocean should work more on this smokeshow
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And give us a foursome with her hot subordinates
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Most likely Kate will be part of Bella's path as a rival. Maja is because she was intended as a LI from the start but Ocean demoted her to a side with no happy endings She'll be stuck with the sponge and the rubber duck while caring for Vic. Pity her, damn it!

 

[mostwanted8]

Most likely Kate will be part of Bella's path as a rival. Maja is because she was intended as a LI from the start but Ocean demoted her to a side with no happy endings She'll be stuck with the sponge and the rubber duck while caring for Vic. Pity her, damn it!

Seriously, Vic is ruining so many lives in so many ways