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I agree it has something to do with Nika, there still is the scene where he is in the hospital to visit Victoria and he gets a quick unexplained flashback of a arm with blood on it. maybe that has something to do with the violent incident.We know Nika got charged, and Nami is older than Nika by a year. Most likely he got charged over the violent incident, but charges were dropped, or didn't result in a sentence.
Edit: Oh I see what you're saying, Nami was old enough to get charged so Nika took the blame being younger. I still think the charge Nika had was for his own actions. He has shown himself to have questionable motives in most legal areas so far
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No matter how often I tell people about the hand holding, no one believes me!
That literally is the violent incident. From the script, when they enter the hospital, just before they get in the elevator:
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So it's not unexplained in one sense, we know Nika was hospitalised from it, and likely that his poor physique at the start of the story is because he's never done the physio to recover properly.
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There's a limit to everything, Bob!
Handholding? It's perversion to the highest degree!
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Thanks for the refresher game has been altered so much I can't remember. Do they ever explain what happened to Bellas sister was it natural (her body) or unatural (caused by someone). If it was unnatural wouldn't it be a twist that Nika might have been unknowingly responsible (violent incident) for her condition. That would really alter the Bella and Amber situation love and care about the one responsible for their sister and daughters condition.
not sure what i'm doing wrong then, might have added a mod that wont show any scenes....
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Sorry man, but no funny business in the first season. Only teasing and no sex.
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How does this even relate to what I wrote in your quote? Did you really think I would understand why this is here?
My words regarding that Bella labeled Brenda related to your words about Bella's assessment of Holgerson. I thought you had a problem with why I trusted her assessment of Brenda but not her assessment of Holgerson. I answered you that it was just Bella's words that Brenda was easy to manipulate.
I take it you're referring to a stupid and naive girl who was easy to control. Well, that was the description of Vanessa that Bella gave her after their first meetings. She too was seen as a victim who could be easily manipulated just like Brenda, but again from Bella's perspective.
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Less of your deep analogies that truly only you understand, more specificity and clear thoughts. You brag about your knowledge of psychology in every post, but given your examples, I doubt you're a real expert who has an actual specialty. Probably read articles on wikipedia and a couple books at most and now you're a psychologist. In my eyes the value of your knowledge tends to zero. If you are a specialist, you should already know that ordinary people will not understand your analogies well if you present them in such a vague form.
I haven't read books on psychology, but at least I made an effort to understand your point and provide a response. Your analogy doesn't work because the conditions you set don't match the events of the game. You understood me perfectly, you just didn't make an equal effort to clarify where I was wrong.
If Vanessa turned out to be the person Bella described and her and Nika's plan worked, then after Bella cried a little to show her regret and that she's not a bad person, you would have patted them on the shoulder. Well done guys, justice was served. As for the others, well, screw them, you don't know them. That's how your flexible morality looks like after all your posts. Still doesn't contradict my conclusion.
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I'm a little tired of demagoguery based on opinion and personal additions to suit my tastes. But okay, I’ll pay attention to this.
Let me start by saying that I did not claim to be an expert. I am only judging on the basis of basic courses and personal experience; there are a lot of hypocrites and manipulators outside the window.
You draw conclusions about the personalities of the characters based on replaying and looking at them from the end to the beginning. Which, as it were, is not entirely correct. Any adequate narrative tied to personalities is built through development and progress. You, looking at like/dislike, approve of penetration without breaking in/no, draw your conclusions based on what none of the characters can know.
In almost every argument you use the phrase “the consequences are easy to predict,” but this is not true, otherwise we would all graduate from universities with gold medals and I wouldn’t be doing crap in Excel. You give teenagers the qualities of adults, which does not happen. You're adding aspects to Vanessa's personality that weren't covered in the season (that she's an innocent bird who didn't hurt anyone and doesn't deserve to be a pawn). Moreover, her line is not over yet and the “plan” was interrupted mid-word between “cancel/doubt/change.” Without one of these conclusions, one builds an opinion about the personality of the characters involved - infantile delirium.
Along the way, you also harness Holgerson, the smallest details of whose behavior I described to you more than once when you countered with the words “Well, Amber can handle it.” Can handle what? With her boyfriend playing ball with her daughter? I understand that in such novels such lines are possible and many will distort them, but here we seem to have a slightly different game. This is if you ignore the character’s repeatedly mentioned lack of character, ignoring which you still conclude that it’s not worth ruining his life. Out of common decency, probably. And again, ignoring the fact that the story comes from the perspective of a teenager who didn’t care about adult rules of good manners and lived without any idea what a full-fledged “family” is.
As a result, we argue about favorites. And I haven't noticed anything that would change my opinion of Vanessa. Not because you chose your arguments poorly, but because it’s simply not in the script.
Let's keep it simple. You'll go through the second season courting Vanessa's big ass, and I'll try to get Bella out of the shit. And when we have a more or less complete picture, we’ll argue about which of them has the whiter cloaks.
P.S. The presence of dialogue boxes in such games hints to us that judging characters for their actions is... a very funny idea. Because half of the decisions that set the vector of history and personality were made by you or me, and not by the protoganist.
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Yes man it exists Sex in the game , but only with a male character called Jeff.
He eats the ass of the protagonist (MC) who is called NIKA
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And this is not far from the truth
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It's all coming back to me now... (yes - a French accent Is required here).
Bella's sister was likely injured by a beekeeper, trying to lure her into his apiary maze for sex...
Cheers!!
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Why are people hellbent on Nami being yandere? Not all redheads are nuts...
Right, guys?
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Maybe it's actually the same few people setting up more accounts just to piss people off?
Is there really that many people that can't read at least the last page?
Handholding. SMH. Some people are just sickos!
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BECAUSE stupid, cringe and not really fitting.
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Or, Steam actually has worked and newbie steam players want all the goss because there will be a new season is the next 10 seconds right? Right???? Riiiiiiiiiiiigggghhht....
There's some really valid points mixed with some inconsistencies here. I agree 100% that during a playthrough, one shouldn't assume the characters know things in Ch1 that they find out in Ch4.
So which is it? Nika knows nothing of Vanessa other than what Bella tells him. This is the whole concept you've portrayed. Yes, Vanessa is innocent, and they maliciously decide to use her to satisfy their own goals. That is what we know, in a linear fashion. It is the same as what Nika knows of Brenda, or Stefan. It's all based on what Bella has told him, as he hasn't observed them nearly enough to make an opinion of anything.
Regardless of innocence, it is illegal to act as a vigilante. But Bella and Nika can't even claim to be vigilantes. They're doing things to right perceived slights, there is no criminal activity they are 'punishing'. Nika and Bella are purely off the rails. That is what we see from the start.
The narrative is sympathetic to Nika and Bella, so we focus on their building romance rather than question their motives. It is never acceptable to act as a vigilante in society - the term itself implies going outside the social contract of the culture you are in, circumventing the rules of normality. But again, they are not vigilantes, just immature and criminally minded.
Getting back to Vanessa/Brenda/Holgersons: It doesn't matter whether they are innocent or not. Someone at college age should know better than to do any of this. When was the last time you bought a data slurping USB stick from a black market dude, just in case? At that point, Bella and Nika were just observing, and Bella just 'happened to have an illegal device for breaching privacy.
Where is it said Stefan is Amber's boyfriend? He is her neighbour who wants to be more, (but that is according to Bella, we don't know). Have I missed something? The whole storyline that follows is because Bella hates the idea that he wants to chase Amber. It could well be that Amber plans on setting up Stefan with Stephanie (remember the phone call where Amber said she has someone in mind for Stephanie?)
Nika is not the worst individual as far as upbringing goes. Yes, very dysfunctional, but Noji is a good parent figure, and they have quite a close family bond so far. Nika remembers things like good first aid. I highly doubt Noji didn't install some good morals in 15 years of his life. I can believe Amber has let Bella drift without consequences, but Noji has actually tried to instill a moral code. We can see that in her interactions. Whether she was effective or not, well, no parent can ever be sure they've done enough.
Although Nika doesn't know what a full fledged family is, these days, who does? Some of the more functional people I know have only a single parent, some of the most dysfunctional were raised with two parents in a religious upbringing. The question is not the appearance, but the quality of the care. We can see that Noji does care about their upbringing, and Nika does feel lot of gratitude to her sacrifices.
All this aside, Nika and Bella have no excuses for their actions. They are adults, if they get charged, they will be judged and get convicted as adults. We know their motives are questionable, while we know nothing of Stefan/Brenda/Vanessa's motives at the time Nika and Bella started their illegal schemes. Common rules of decency are expected for people who are of adult age, or they risk punishment equal to their age bracket. It is NOT normal to scheme and plot to ruin a whole family over a few verbal insults. Far easier for an immature Bella to throw tantrums over going to the Gala, and to actively denigrate Stefan and Mario in front of Amber. Socially awkward, but a non criminal approach. Nika has nothing other than his anti social aspect, that he repeatedly mentiones he's trying to tame.
The only reason I see for the current plot is that Ocean wishes us to see how broken Nika and Bella are. Hopefully as the start seeing how their scheme will affect them close to home (certainly in Nika's case) they will start to mature. Whether or not there will be consequences will depend on how thorough Ocean decides the setup needs to be, and what direction he takes it.
Last point, which is more a finger pointing at myself: Ocean isn't necessarily basing this story on standard social frameworks. There is an element of fantasy in that he's not trying to write an ironclad legal document with no inconsistencies. He's trying to create a feel and a mood, so in that sense, everyone's off the hook, because Ocean has his own purposes for them to play out. I just hope he chooses the harder path of the consequences, as Nika mentions actions having consequences multiple times (despite acting mostly as they don't before Ch4). Actually, Nika swings between mature and asshole so much, it's hard to see if he's the one that promises Vi, or that steals without concern. Tries to be a better person, then looks at the figurines in th book club as though they're his next theft.
I don’t know if you noticed, but no one, neither Amber nor Ayua, nor Mila, nor Bella herself called the second girl by name. And secondly. It is implied that Bella and her sister are twins, but in Mila's memories, Bella's sister is absent, which is unusual for twins.
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It’s worth making a reservation here. Most likely, I myself somehow missed a place where I needed to focus on this. I'm not a fan of Nika, I don't even have the desire to take his side. Along the way of the first season, he does a lot of shit (besides breaking into the house) that does him no credit, while smiling in his eyes (as best he can). At the same time, we must pay tribute, a gray character with trauma from the past, closed, ready to put himself outside the brackets of society, can make the world a better place and it’s difficult to consider him completely bad.
Who else but he can hit you in the head with a tennis ball? Not just because he is a sharp shooter, but because in this situation it is necessary and simple chatter simply will not help.
The plan is crap, no doubt. But it very much synergizes with the age of the characters. And what teenager doesn't like spy stuff?
Going beyond social boundaries is too complex a topic and I’m not sure that I won’t screw it up somewhere. These frameworks themselves are not always fair, nor are the laws, nor are those who “defend” these laws. Again, let's just add details from our heads to test ourselves. Let's say the person who is the target of their plan is a drug lord, against whom the penitentiary system has nothing. And a couple of teenagers simply don’t want him to become part of their family. We won’t specify the risks, that’s not why. The question is: will your/our understanding of the limits of what is permitted change?
For me personally, the very ability to push oneself beyond the boundaries commands respect. What they do and why they do not. Until the screenwriter completes the goal of some other bad features that will balance the scales.
Well, or they won’t be given educational consequences, which will also bring the characters closer together.
Potential. Let's assume that I used the wrong word.
In any case, this is precisely the fact that there is not a single argument in favor of Holgerson until the author completes his biography.
I remember the call. Perhaps this is the nail that will finally break their plan.
Well, I absolutely agree with this. Speaking of spy stuff, how easily it gets into the hands of just anyone, multiple cars owned by teenagers, and the like. I don’t know how rich people live, but this really doesn’t look like a story based on real events. Therefore, I agree to pass through the prism of the real world individual actions, but not the whole story as a whole.
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