VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Old Man Al]

So... the new version of Steam is throttled and the Dev has deleted all the politically incorrect stuff, and if we want to see that deleted content we necessarily have to download the old versions of the game as well?

Pretty much, but if you have never seen it I wouldn't, because:

1. it is gone forever and no longer canon, many scenes had some more or less subtle changes and make no longer sense for future releases.
2. best case, you find the new (and canon) version (mostly) better and would have wasted time on stuff that no longer matters in the long run anyway.
3. worst case, you find the new version worse and seeing it ruined part of the game for you or even worse add to the "complaining about that"-voices that won't change anything, but stirr shit up after every new dev log and/or release.

But on a more serious note: if you are that curious about stuff that no longer matters and have that much time left: go ahead, knock yourself out. (I know I would and I am pretty sure I would regret it in most cases, not here though, I find the rework MOSTLY better than the old stuff)

 

[char_2.0]

Pretty much, but if you have never seen it I wouldn't, because:

1. it is gone forever and no longer canon, many scenes had some more or less subtle changes and make no longer sense for future releases.
2. best case, you find the new (and canon) version (mostly) better and would have wasted time on stuff that no longer matters in the long run anyway.
3. worst case, you find the new version worse and seeing it ruined part of the game for you or even worse add to the "complaining about that"-voices that won't change anything, but stirr shit up after every new dev log and/or release.

But on a more serious note: if you are that curious about stuff that no longer matters and have that much time left: go ahead, knock yourself out. (I know I would and I am pretty sure I would regret it in most cases, not here though, I find the rework MOSTLY better than the old stuff)

You're right, Mila and the girl in the wheelchair are not as "FIT" as before, but they are still very pretty, a little thicker/chubby, but not to the point of making them fat and cellulite-ridden like other games have done (cough..WVM!..cough), so at least I'm happy with that.

 

[RNasc4444]

There's a difference between making compromises in order to make ends meet and knowingly putting out low-quality slop because it will sell regardless. Ocean is a fucking autist(as if we didn't already know) for losing his shit over something like that(a woman has no integrity, oh the horror), but he's not wrong.

This is a decent rebuttal. And it allows me to expand on my point.

QUOTE ME ON THIS:

I've had multiple conversations with multiple devs and users over the years regarding this topic. My stance hasn't changed. To be clear, my stance is, if you're an AVN developer: GET. YOUR. FUCKING. BAG!

Straight up! No matter what, do what you have to do to increase profits. All I ask is that you have the fucking decency of owning up to it. Don't try to gaslight me. Don't feed me shit and tell me it's icecream. Just own up to it. Don't hide behind your "creative process", throw sand in my eyes and try to convince me to look the other way. Say that developing your game costs money and you felt the need to change your story in order to maintain your income. It's that simple!

Ocean just happens to take the hypocrite approach, hoping someone is dumb and naive enough to believe him. Not once did he come clean and say that he felt SG was threatened when WiAB got banned so he panicked and started making changes that will keep snowballing until both VN's are seen as "clean" by the publishers. Which will undoubtedly hurt the narrative.

Also something else that still bothers me is that there are still A LOT of people who see Ocean as a perfectionist that has it all planned and mapped out. Please open your eyes and use your brain. 3 years into this "plan" to publish a perfect version on Steam he still has not hired a native English speaker to look into the script. Perfectionism? That narrative died, to me, when I saw that Nami jacuzzi scene. I even made a meme about it. Someone who is a perfectionist would hold a release and rework the scene so as to not end up with a choice that just exists to keep the variables because he didn't want to rewrite a huge chunk of code.

As a final note, I'm not defending either Ocean or his friend's gf. It's a situation that just didn't work out. No party is at fault. What I'm pointing out is Ocean's hypocrisy when calling out the girl's position. Because he did and keeps doing the same thing as her. Look at the financial aspect of the project first and foremost. WHICH IS FAIR BTW! Just own up to it.

 

[RNasc4444]

What are you referring to?

See reply above.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

This is a decent rebuttal. And it allows me to expand on my point.

QUOTE ME ON THIS:

I've had multiple conversations with multiple devs and users over the years regarding this topic. My stance hasn't changed. To be clear, my stance is, if you're an AVN developer: GET. YOUR. FUCKING. BAG!

Straight up! No matter what, do what you have to do to increase profits. All I ask is that you have the fucking decency of owning up to it. Don't try to gaslight me. Don't feed me shit and tell me it's icecream. Just own up to it. Don't hide behind your "creative process", throw sand in my eyes and try to convince me to look the other way. Say that developing your game costs money and you felt the need to change your story in order to maintain your income. It's that simple!

 

[cheesenbutter212]

This is a decent rebuttal. And it allows me to expand on my point.

QUOTE ME ON THIS:

I've had multiple conversations with multiple devs and users over the years regarding this topic. My stance hasn't changed. To be clear, my stance is, if you're an AVN developer: GET. YOUR. FUCKING. BAG!

Straight up! No matter what, do what you have to do to increase profits. All I ask is that you have the fucking decency of owning up to it. Don't try to gaslight me. Don't feed me shit and tell me it's icecream. Just own up to it. Don't hide behind your "creative process", throw sand in my eyes and try to convince me to look the other way. Say that developing your game costs money and you felt the need to change your story in order to maintain your income. It's that simple!

Ocean just happens to take the hypocrite approach, hoping someone is dumb and naive enough to believe him. Not once did he come clean and say that he felt SG was threatened when WiAB got banned so he panicked and started making changes that will keep snowballing until both VN's are seen as "clean" by the publishers. Which will undoubtedly hurt the narrative.

Also something else that still bothers me is that there are still A LOT of people who see Ocean as a perfectionist that has it all planned and mapped out. Please open your eyes and use your brain. 3 years into this "plan" to publish a perfect version on Steam he still has not hired a native English speaker to look into the script. Perfectionism? That narrative died, to me, when I saw that Nami jacuzzi scene. I even made a meme about it. Someone who is a perfectionist would hold a release and rework the scene so as to not end up with a choice that just exists to keep the variables because he didn't want to rewrite a huge chunk of code.

As a final note, I'm not defending either Ocean or his friend's gf. It's a situation that just didn't work out. No party is at fault. What I'm pointing out is Ocean's hypocrisy when calling out the girl's position. Because he did and keeps doing the same thing as her. Look at the financial aspect of the project first and foremost. WHICH IS FAIR BTW! Just own up to it.

Completely and utterly wrong. In order to create one of the best if not the BEST avn storyline it needs to go back and forth, ocean perfectionism can be seen clearly by the QUALITY of his work. He's the BEST writter in this field atm. GREAT things take TIME. Not because his execution is taking longer than expected his plan is at fault. English is not my first language and you are wrong on this.

 

[yossa999]

Ocean just happens to take the hypocrite approach, hoping someone is dumb and naive enough to believe him. Not once did he come clean and say that he felt SG was threatened when WiAB got banned so he panicked and started making changes that will keep snowballing until both VN's are seen as "clean" by the publishers. Which will undoubtedly hurt the narrative.

 

[cheesenbutter212]

Motherfucker, I'm not reading all that shit. That woman didn't want to put effort into learning how to model well, and instead was just hoping for an easy gig. The second she realized she was gonna be held up to a standard she noped the fuck out. Ocean had to cut some tiny pieces of content here and there in order to put his game on Steam. These aren't nearly the same. Keep in mind that he doesn't pocket all the money, either, a lot of it goes into licensing music and stuff like that, and also he's saving for a render rig(render times are the biggest bottleneck and the sole reason this game is taking so long to develop IIRC).

Exactly. There's many jealous haters in the thread? From greatness comes envy but from the short while I've been here. it's alot of the comments. Concerning.

 

[alain8891]

So... the new version of Steam is throttled and the Dev has deleted all the politically incorrect stuff, and if we want to see that deleted content we necessarily have to download the old versions of the game as well?

Or use the Uncut Edition mod ;-)

 

[razante]

At this point Auya is almost confirmed being William's and Miru, almost being the key here, it is not impossible that some yakuza have a child with Leia or William is raising the daughter of some Bull that fucked Miru.

But I do agree with you that this is the far more plausible scenario. Same goes for Nika, but here is truly more wishful thinking that anything else, as there is no indication of kinship between them in the game.

I mean, all the girls in that circle are LI's except Ayua and she is one of the favorites but Ocean don't promote her. You can have other explanations like she will be the MC of another Oceaverse series, but the plausability that she is MC's sister is much bigger.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I mean, all the girls in that circle are LI's except Ayua and she is one of the favorites but Ocean don't promote her. You can have other explanations like she will be the MC of another Oceaverse series, but the plausability that she is MC's sister is much bigger.

Oh come on! who would ever want this
When you can have this

 

[SlowGoesSlow]

Oh come on! who would ever want this View attachment 3877211
When you can have this View attachment 3877213

Miss Marla's crows feet make me act up too.

 

[razante]

Oh come on! who would ever want this View attachment 3877211
When you can have this View attachment 3877213

I know its a joke, but how can you compare AYUA to Miss Soggy Tits?????? LoL

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I know its a joke, but how can you compare AYUA to Miss Soggy Tits?????? LoL

That's like the most shocking thing about this game you can have Marla but no Ayua or Maja

 

[AlexFXR]

He's the BEST writter in this field atm.

For 5 years he still couldn't build a plot line, yes.... he really is the BEST!!!!

 

[Cabin Fever]

Don't try to gaslight me.

Yeah, but you are doing exactly that to devs that don't follow what you consider "the right way" to do it. Just because the devs you've talked to agree with you, it doesn't mean all devs do, nor does it mean it's the only way to do it.

 

[RNasc4444]

Yeah, but you are doing exactly that to devs that don't follow what you consider "the right way" to do it. Just because the devs you've talked to agree with you, it doesn't mean all devs do, nor does it mean it's the only way to do it.

Of course not! And some devs do not agree and don't feel comfortable pandering to a specific audience that wants specific content. I'm not claiming it's the right way. I'm just saying that I'm 100% comfortable with them choosing to make money for their work just as long as they aren't disingenuous about it.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

For 5 years he still couldn't build a plot line, yes.... he really is the BEST!!!!

 

[Kane_Freeman]

Can I use the patch with Steam version?

 

[Ray_D]

For 5 years he still couldn't build a plot line, yes.... he really is the BEST!!!!

It's funny because it's true.