VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Dr.TSoni]

You can do it, but probably ocean ignore it, no sex until marriage.

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I love you guys XD

I don't think that Nami and Nika has to be Zanes, although I favorite this idea, but it has to be something in their past that justifies Noki hide information from them, the earrings, why they are with Noji, what is the deal with Katie. So I think that the idea that they are being kept in a glass bowl a very safe bet, now why that is, only speculation.

Of course, this is for the sake of speculation:
Willy impregnates both Leia and Katie,

thus explaining the difference between Nika and Nami and why Noji doesn't want them to copulate. (for those who only chose Miru in WiAB, drunk Miru challenges William to impregnate his sisters XD).
Now the Zane are in the spotlight so they hide the two illegitimate children with Noji (probably part of Miru's Clan)

 

[Adhdclassic]

Look forward to seeing the opening of season 2. If they follow where they left off will Nami sneak into Nikas bed after their kiss. How will Mila sleep with Nika bra panties or topless. Nami and Mila sleeping together talking about boys and tits. Or the farfetched someone goes in Nikas room while he's sleeping but they don't realize he's not sleeping he's faking and watching them.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Look forward to seeing the opening of season 2. If they follow where they left off will Nami sneak into Nikas bed after their kiss.

Imagine if Nami doesn't take advantage of the knowledge that she is the only lady of the hard-on, only one who can bend it to her will

 

[Ray_D]

I love you guys XD

I love you too man(no homo).

 

[Capt_Kirk]

It's an extreme word, but the way she and her posse sit at your table before you know them, the redhead checking in on you when you're having a panic attack, the way she notices the eraser if you hold Vics hand, the way she happens to appear at the fight (Sai can't really do anything against the daughter of one of the owners), the way she stares if you go the the gym with someone, she's often in the background or her friends are.

the Sasha thing always strikes me as odd and confusing ,since the start Sasha stares at the Mc like she knows him from before and that she's dealing with some kind of issue because of the pills to contain the panic attacks (maybe the same issues as the Mc who knows?)
#1 thought was : Sasha was Summer , #2 thought was : Sasha is/was Summer's sister , #3 thought is : Sasha is/was Summer's friend
but that would mean that a lot of the people in Sasha's circle should know who the Mc is but everybody act like if they just met him ...........confusing.

another thing that strike me ass odd was in the book club, we learned that Bella's mom knew about the Mc and more likely his past and that makes me wonder , are the therapy sessions to help the Mc dealing with his trauma or to let Nojiko and Amber know how much from Mc past he's starting to remember? .
could it be that Amber is Sasha's therapist too?........... and Mc and Sasha's traumas are related?

 

[RNasc4444]

There is an attempt at this in the Oceanverse Wiki
But it's not super accurate

Let's be honest here, that wiki would be innacurate if Ocean himself was maintaining it. That's how ridiculously often he makes changes to a story that's supposedly already written.

 

[Darkdevil66]

Let's be honest here, that wiki would be innacurate if Ocean himself was maintaining it. That's how ridiculously often he makes changes to a story that's supposedly already written.

 

[RNasc4444]

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That discord post is basically a confirmation of how cognitively impaired Ocean really is. Not too long ago, in a WiAB devlog, he stated that William and Leia were twins. And now he claims there are "no family relationships in the games"?!?!!?

 

[Acsuka]

Of course, this is for the sake of speculation:
Willy impregnates both Leia and Katie,

thus explaining the difference between Nika and Nami and why Noji doesn't want them to copulate. (for those who only chose Miru in WiAB, drunk Miru challenges William to impregnate his sisters XD).
Now the Zane are in the spotlight so they hide the two illegitimate children with Noji (probably part of Miru's Clan)

 

[Turret]

That discord post is basically a confirmation of how cognitively impaired Ocean really is. Not too long ago, in a WiAB devlog, he stated that William and Leia were twins. And now he claims there are "no family relationships in the games"?!?!!?

That is not being impaired, but bowing down and licking the boots of Patreon, so that SG is safe on that platform.
It cannot be Steam, for all their flaws Steam gives a flying fuck about incest. (Their problem and ours as customers is that Steam fears sexy 18+ pics on their store pages, because their age verification is a laugh and there are nations where they could get in trouble) There are several games on steam 18+ and even 16 where it si very clear in the story that you are banging your Sis, Mom or Daughter.

 

[RNasc4444]

That is not being impaired, but bowing down and licking the boots of Patreon, so that SG is safe on that platform.
It cannot be Steam, for all their flaws Steam gives a flying fuck about incest. (Their problem and ours as customers is that Steam fears sexy 18+ pics on their store pages, because their age verification is a laugh and there are nations where they could get in trouble) There are several games on steam 18+ and even 16 where it si very clear in the story that you are banging your Sis, Mom or Daughter.

No doubt but that's not the whole issue. >Here's what he posted not too long ago in the WiAB devlog.

"Change.

I had faced an issue ever since I started thinking about WIAB on Steam... With the events that went down in March and WiAB losing 98% of its support overnight, I was forced to find a solution to the following question much earlier than expected:

"How to publish WiAB on Steam/GOG and for the story, etc. to make sense?"

With the new update, there will be some changes to a certain part of the game. And they might be an issue for some people, and welcomed by others.

The only person related to William (MC) is Leia.

Certain love stories will feel much more natural, solving a big issue I faced in Season 2. You'll see how it feels and plays out in the next update.

The further we get, the bigger its impact."

How do you reconcile that with this???

What am I missing here? How do you go from William is related to Leia a few weeks ago to "there are no family relationships in the games!"?????

 

[Kond]

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I dont know the history behind Ocean's post, but he's right because if Patreon even have the suspicion that he endorses the incest thing in any of his games they will ban him for good, so hes acting on his best interest saying this... and players interest too, because if hes banned he can abandon his games.

 

[mostwanted8]

Well we can say that nika failed miserably, although he still has hope.

I don't know man, he's something of an icon in the sigma community

 

[Turret]

No doubt but that's not the whole issue. >Here's what he posted not too long ago in the WiAB devlog.



How do you reconcile that with this???
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What am I missing here? How do you go from William is related to Leia a few weeks ago to "there are no family relationships in the games!"?????

Very easy! Patreon has it´s eyes on him now and since Ocean fears being banned for good, he is kneeling for them! What Ocean does not understand is that bowing to them will not really help. He might not be banned, but his stories are toast! What now comes out as "WiaB" and "SG" will be very far from his vision and very much standard AVN fare with assinine aspects, the typical landlord/tennant/adopted/we only pluck flowers crap.
It is not as bad for "Summer´s gone", since the darker aspects were in background from the start, it was more a dating simulator from the get go.
But WiaB is destroyed, since in that game crime stories, mystery, dark secrets were far more prominent and the main pull factor.
This is a prime example why sites like Patreon are killing creativity and great stories and bringing out mediocre stuff more than anything else!

 

[RNasc4444]

are you really that dumb or are you just pretending not to be able to count how much 2+2 is?

I guess I'm that dumb. My question was legitimate. What am I missing? Please explain like you're addressing a low double digit IQ adult just to be on the safe side cuz I really want to understand.

How can Leia and William be related and at the same time be no family relationships in the games? And 2+2 is still 4 right?

 

[Den1mo]

Very easy! Patreon has it´s eyes on him now and since Ocean fears being banned for good, he is kneeling for them! What Ocean does not understand is that bowing to them will not really help. He might not be banned, but his stories are toast! What now comes out as "WiaB" and "SG" will be very far from his vision and very much standard AVN fare with assinine aspects, the typical landlord/tennant/adopted/we only pluck flowers crap.
It is not as bad for "Summer´s gone", since the darker aspects were in background from the start, it was more a dating simulator from the get go.
But WiaB is destroyed, since in that game crime stories, mystery, dark secrets were far more prominent and the main pull factor.
This is a prime example why sites like Patreon are killing creativity and great stories and bringing out mediocre stuff more than anything else!

but this is not a problem that concerns only Ocean. patreon is lurking all over the servers trying to find dirt. on one hand I understand it because they have clearly defined rules and if you violate them it's logical they will delete you. more devs violate them the worse it will be for everyone. on the other hand it is necessary to understand it makes no sense to throw dirt on patreon because those things are not from their head. everyone knows that visa, mastercard and paypal are behind this shit. unless patreon met their demands they would end up just like subscribestar

and I don't know about you but no thanks. I'm not interested wasting my time on site where 9 out of 10 cases I can't even make a payment because it's almost always rejected

I guess I'm that dumb. My question was legitimate. What am I missing? Please explain like you're addressing a low double digit IQ adult just to be on the safe side cuz I really want to understand.

How can Leia and William be related and at the same time be no family relationships in the games? And 2+2 is still 4 right?

it is clear he made that statement because of patreon since they are lurking on servers. why do you think all servers are forbidden to mention things related to incest in the rules? and considering how he commented on it during that incident it did not only concern wiab but also SG because he himself said at the time "SG seems to be safe". they can see he has two games and they won't act like idiots not seeing the other one

you ignore the reasons and want to criticize it but there is no point doing that. just try to be more understanding

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

As mentioned, Zane is the name of one of the important families in Wollust. In SG, the Zanes are one of the families that make up ZPR who run the college (the others are the Petrovas and the Reveras). Ayua's surname is Zane, Katie who you see in Ch5 is a Zane, and in the bookclub scene, there's gossip about other Zanes. The other Zanes that are gossiped about are Willi and Leia from WiaB. In WiaB, whe have Helen and Dylan who are Katie's parents as well, and Helen's sister, who has two kids, Lucas and Katarina - they're not Zanes though, just related. Regards the other letters in ZPR, Mila tells you in chapter 4.5 when you get coffee before the movie night at Vic's. Sasha is a daughter of the Petrovas, and whe haven't met the Revera yet, but seems to be one of the guys on the basketball team.

In Wiab or SG, we haven't met Elena Petrova who is Sasha's mom, but she runs the country club with the tennis and golf. We haven't seen her younger self in WiaB yet, but I'm sure we will as she was an important part of the plot before the rework. We haven't heard anything other than there is a Revera family, but we do have Donna in WiaB, who was Donna Revera before the rework, but in the current game, we just know her as Donna so far.



It should be pretty set now, as throwing LI's in or out will change his dev roadmap. I think it's more a case that he wasn't sure if he wanted to commit some characters to a LI route because of story reasons - for example, originally Maja was going to be a LI, but Ocean pulled her from the list when he started the rework; his reason is that she would always choose Vic's happiness over her own, that's her character, so she won't get into a game of fighting Vic for Nika (no matter what LI path you're on, Vic is always 100% gunning for Nika). But due toMaja fans on discord (I guess) Ocean has seemingly relented, and said Maja will have some lewd scenes.

There are also characters that will have lewd scenes that aren't LI's. It might be that Ocean puts Ayua in that category, she gets drunk and has a fling with Nika, but isn't serious. At this point, we simply don't know.

I´m so early into the game that the names you mentioned don´t mean much to me right now, but thank you for taking the time.
Every girl I´ve seen so far should have a scene at least. As for Ayua. I´ve only seen her once, but my thoughts were immediately "I have to get this one", so yeah, I hope he makes some lewds scenes with her.

 

[vampires69'in]

With the amount of changes that ocean is constantly making, I don't think a family tree can be made until the AVN is finished. Well, family tree, more like a family circle.

You can't have a family tree with "landlords/landlady's , or roomies"

 

[RNasc4444]

and I don't know about you but no thanks. I'm not interested wasting my time on site where 9 out of 10 cases I can't even make a payment because it's almost always rejected

Are you talking about SS? Swear to God I don't understand how people have issues with payments on there. I use virtual single-purchase with a limit virtual cards and I've yet to have any trouble. I've never had Paypal in my life and that hasn't stopped me from making purchases online. Not a single instance of stolen card info because the cards I use have a purchase limit and expire in a month.

it is clear he made that statement because of patreon since they are lurking on servers. why do you think all servers are forbidden to mention things related to incest in the rules? and considering how he commented on it during that incident it did not only concern wiab but also SG because he himself said at the time "SG seems to be safe". they can see he has two games and they won't act like idiots not seeing the other one

you ignore the reasons and want to criticize it but there is no point doing that. just try to be more understanding

I'm almost never trying to be a douchebag here. I am understanding of Ocean's position and I figured that would be the reason but I don't pm him. I don't hang around his discord. All I have to go on is his public posts. And I have no other option than take what he says there at face value.

It's on Ocean to clear up his discourse and make it compatible on all fronts.

 

[Den1mo]

Are you talking about SS? Swear to God I don't understand how people have issues with payments on there. I use virtual single-purchase with a limit virtual cards and I've yet to have any trouble. I've never had Paypal in my life and that hasn't stopped me from making purchases online. Not a single instance of stolen card info because the cards I use have a purchase limit and expire in a month.

as I wrote above. visa, mastercard and paypal fight against it. that's why SS is so far from patreon. if you go to SS page in faq they themselves recommend using pre-paid cards and other shit because payments with a normal card are almost always rejected. these are the consequences of when they decided not to agree to terms patreon agreed to

I'm almost never trying to be a douchebag here. I am understanding of Ocean's position and I figured that would be the reason but I don't pm him. I don't hang around his discord. All I have to go on is his public posts. And I have no other option than take what he says there at face value.

It's on Ocean to clear up his discourse and make it compatible on all fronts.

I do not think it's necessary for any dev to comment on this topic. the best thing they can do for their safety and their game is to stay away from these topics as much as possible. that's why everyone does it. in the end it wouldn't make sense anyway because players will only take what they want from it and won't try to understand

it is the same case as with the game in my signature. only hate because there is no incest with sister. and it didn't matter at all how many times dev explained why he couldn't do it. everyone saw and said only what they wanted. when patreon came along and said "don't even try" still no one understood

so why waste time explaining? it doesn't make sense