VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Dr.TSoni]

Well, Noji's much poorer than the rest, and Jenna appears to be 100% gold digger with small means if she's stealing dresses. It makes the book club far more odd. But friends don't have to move in the same circles

This is partially true, but the question "where do people who have such different social circles meet?" There's something to speculate about here

God knows that is not the crazyest theory that I see on this thread

They are the best XD

 

[Cabin Fever]

Jenna appears to be 100% gold digger with small means if she's stealing dresses.

You could be right, but there is a mental disorder called kleptomania. Stealing dresses doesn't necessarily have anything to do with having the means to buy those dresses or not.

 

[momont-Yamashi]

i dont see the harem tag but i see multiple naked girls in one photo, so is it a harem if yes is it a classic harem where you get all the girls

 

[BobTheDuck]

i dont see the harem tag but i see multiple naked girls in one photo, so is it a harem if yes is it a classic harem where you get all the girls

It's not a harem game. There will be throuple paths, but not many.

You could be right, but there is a mental disorder called kleptomania. Stealing dresses doesn't necessarily have anything to do with having the means to buy those dresses or not.

I had considered that, but I don't think all of them are fabulously wealthy. Claire is a college doctor, We know Noji isn't raking it in, Susan might have a best seller, or she might live off advances. Charlie certainly seems wealthy, but she arm wrestles for wine? It's a very confusing book club.

 

[vampires69'in]

It's not a harem game. There will be throuple paths, but not many.



I had considered that, but I don't think all of them are fabulously wealthy. Claire is a college doctor, We know Noji isn't raking it in, Susan might have a best seller, or she might live off advances. Charlie certainly seems wealthy, but she arm wrestles for wine? It's a very confusing book club.

I think she just wanted to style on Nami after her little shit of a brother talked shit to her lol. In all seriousness,it just looked like it was for fun,although Nami was not amused by her loss lol. *edit* also, there could be a scarcity of that particular wine they were drinking,maybe.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I had considered that, but I don't think all of them are fabulously wealthy. Claire is a college doctor, We know Noji isn't raking it in, Susan might have a best seller, or she might live off advances. Charlie certainly seems wealthy, but she arm wrestles for wine? It's a very confusing book club.

One explanation could be to escape the "etiquette" of high society. Often in SG when we talk about these families they are almost presented as nobles

 

[The Krogan Dude]

One explanation could be to escape the "etiquette" of high society. Often in SG when we talk about these families they are almost presented as nobles

"Lord Zane" it sounds good.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

William of House Zane, the first of his name, Lord Wollust and Protector of the ZPR University XD
Nika Snow who knows nothing

 

[The Krogan Dude]

William of House Zane, the first of his name, Lord Wollust and Protector of the ZPR University XD
Nika Snow who knows nothing

Watch out ! A wight

 

[Kond]

I was thinking WTF happened with Stephan Holgerson, when he was introduced in Where It All Began he seemed like a normal cool dude...now in Summer's Gone dude is a old perv, with a crap son...what with wrong with this guy's life.


...Maybe hes just pretending be the a normal guy in WIAB and will cause trouble in the future. Curious to know how Zoey is too.

 

[Kond]

Well, in my country, after recovering from a mental illness most people aren't sharp enough to hustle that fast. She would have been drugged with antidepressants, monitored to get her weight under control. Once she's over that, she could start. If you've seen it happen so fast, I can't say it doesn't, but the public usually sees the tip of the iceberg, years of preparation creating the infrastructure. Leia didn't have anything she could really use to start unless it was Uncle Joe's gang, but it seems like they've been roped in by her after, she's kinda taking them over while he's in prison.

Illegitimate businesses can go faster than legal ones, but the nightclub is legitimate, otherwise the police could shut it down.

But you're right, things could happen fast, it's not impossible, just unlikely considering her mental state and health. Such things take a lot to turn around. The thing I'm starting to wonder is where Leia got the capital to start up, did she start the criminal side first, and then find a business to take over? Did she work and rise through the ranks, blackmail the owner into giving her control? Or did she get Helen involved as a financial support? Helen's dislike of guns, and her and Scarlet hiding what Leia's doing, while Scarlet is married to a gang member.... it makes me wonder.



It's not that large is a problem, but that Ocean has inflated her body over the course of the game (just considering the remake). Both she and Helen had great figures in Ch6 of old WiaB, then in current Ch1 Leia was fine, bigger, but fine. Then Ch2 Leia happened, and it's like watching her character get bimbofied. Same with Helen.

Here's Ch1 Helen, believable, still curvy. Shape of her breasts is a little unnatural, deformed by the clothing I guess? But the clothing is loose:
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Here's Ch2, a couple of days later, Helen hit the donuts HARD:
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Check out those thighs, they are wider than her head. Her buttocks are bigger than her head. Her breasts, you get the idea. There is no believable proportion here. Her head should be chubby like the rest of her for this to be believable:
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Again, compare her thighs to her head. That is messed up. I'm not body shaming, this is just not proportional - her head is too small for her body and frame, her thighs make WIlliam look like a stick rather than a condom filled with walnuts, and that's saying something:
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This is all in the current WiaB. People DON'T retain that much fluid in two days, or put on that many kilos straight to fat. If she ate that many donuts, it'd look like she she had a bun in the oven, a food baby from the donuts. It wouldn't have reached her thighs already.

On to Leia, current WiaB Ch1, compared to old WiaB Ch6. Pretty comparable, clearly better renders in the newer WiaB, but basically the same model. When William hugs her, her boobs are not so intrusive:
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A couple of days later, Leia too starts retaining water or the donuts turn straight to 'connective tissue'. She's not as bad as Helen's change, but even still, it's a different body frame a day later in the game time.
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And now ch3, bigger again from ch2:
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So it's not the problem of "I don't like big" but "I like consistent". people don't change this much in a day. Katie and Miru stay almost the same. Mon and Kata stay the same.

Because this is SG MT, let's look at Mila, here's the oldest render left in SG S1. She's big, but her head is not a dot on top of a mountain of connective tissue.
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Here she is in the reworked scene just before, same day prior to the basketball.
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Then the earlier rework of 1 when she was even more on the donuts, a few days earlier in the game. So she starts large, and shrinks in ch4 after chaging shape several times.
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Here she is in ch2. Black is slimming... but even still, better than Ch1. Ocean even admitted there were problems and showed the 5 different Mila models as a comparison, he just never fully fixed her to be one model. Wish I could find that test render right now.
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From behind, Mila looks reasonably proportional.
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but from the front, those things don't match the rest of her frame. Also, notice here the effect of clothing layers. Ocean has floated the clothing off her body, making her look larger. I wonder how many of the renders are effected by the thickness of the clothing material, which here the white layer is anot an inch thick almost. Then they're the layer under the white.
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So in conclusion, it's not the size, that's merely preference. I can dislike overly large body types, and that's fine, there can be variety. The problem is all these characters keep shifting size between renders, even on the same day in the game. Vast differences. That's why people are annoyed. Not because of just taste, but the continuity is seriously messed up on these three. Vic also has some issues, Compare hoodie walking Vic to ch$.5 topless Vic, and compare sexy Vic can walk again treats. Ocean's treats of Vic are very lovely. Her boobs in Ch4.5 look to be made of porcelain, and look like they would hurt people rather than comfort them.

For example, I don't complain about NIa, because she's stayed the same. I don't complain about Dana, because Ocean has explained her figure is part of the story, and he wanted to try something there. At least in SG S1 Mila is mostly the same model other than Ch4, and most of the continuity issues are clothing. affecting her size.



The Maja thing might be her getting all teasing with him trying to get a reaction as she's an assistant coach, and she goes too far in the heat of the moment, then she suffers intense guilt from it, and pushes hima way. Totally believable. Also, lewd doesn't = actual sex. There are so many things she might do. Nika might even initiate it. We won't know until we get to that part of the story, if it happens. So far we've been promised a 'scene' with Maja, which implies some solo Maja event, rather than just screen time with her hanging around Vic, so I don't know. Probably a locker room thing.

Ayua, I'm much more keen on than Noji. We'll see, fingers crossed.

Yeah, I'm wondering how many members of the book club used to work for Leia, like Jenna would be a candidate given her thief nature. I do think there will be shenanigans involving those work girls, they all aim to be gold diggers in a way.

Oh, on the consistent aspect i totally agree with you.
And damn, i didnt notice Mila's change in size, i got stuck with "she has big boobs and curvaceous body" and not even noticed the change.

 

[vampires69'in]

Watch out ! A wight

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Nika dubbed him a zombie lol

 

[BobTheDuck]

I was thinking WTF happened with Stephan Holgerson, when he was introduced in Where It All Began he seemed like a normal cool dude...now in Summer's Gone dude is a old perv, with a crap son...what with wrong with this guy's life.
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...Maybe hes just pretending be the a normal guy in WIAB and will cause trouble in the future. Curious to know how Zoey is too.

There's been a fair bit of discussion about this, a bunch of random avenues to consider:
- everything we know about Stefan being a perv is pretty much from Bella, who has the abuse thing for poor people almost on par with Mario's friends, so we can't decide what is exaggeration vs fact
- Stefan has a wife who is not social, so Bella's thing about him wanting Amber might or might not be true, it might be Bella's projection
- Mario defended Bella and Mila against Melanie Ceril, and Mila admits he wasn't a bad guy back then
- Stefan owns a sculpture of golden underwear - oh, definite perv confirmed
- Stefan and Mario are evil regardless, because they get Mila charged for no reason, without any proof
- Stefan still has a decent relationship with Zoey, based on how he talks about her and Bella getting along, the implication is Zoey will be at his gala thing, so even if evil, he's not that evil, probably less evil than the Zanes, or Zoey has gone evil, we don't know if she's still with Katie in SG

Completely speculative below:
- Regards Zoey, I guess we'll see what is canon in WiaB if she get's revealed - did she start a porn company, and is Stefan part of that? Is Emilia an ex-star of their company?
- Because we think of William as a hero in WiaB, we tend to think the Zanes are a force of 'good' in the Wollust area. This might not be true at all. They might be the prime pervs/corruptors after removing all competition (devil's advocate position). This might mean that we see Stefan is still all chumy with the Zanes at the gala, with all the high society
- Stefan at dinner has an innocent teacher from a MOR, a Coach from ZPR and his son goes to a different college, we don't know who the other guy at dinner was. Is Stefan organising something behind the backs of the college leaderships?
- one bit of speculation about Stefan's work, not sure if there's anything that explicitely states what he does - in WiaB, the Holgersons own a 'paper' company that needs to be digitised. That suggests a newspaper/magazine to me. Maybe he is Nicole's boss, and that's why he is having dinner with other college workers, to scout stories?

As a character, he's currently manipulative, but we don't know why, so an enigma, who has aged like shit rather than fine wine in 20 years

William of House Zane, the first of his name, Lord Wollust and Protector of the ZPR University XD
Nika Snow who knows nothing

House of the serpent, arms sinister (Gefritzel who roams the grounds?)

 

[Old Man Al]

There's been a fair bit of discussion about this, a bunch of random avenues to consider:
- everything we know about Stefan being a perv is pretty much from Bella, who has the abuse thing for poor people almost on par with Mario's friends, so we can't decide what is exaggeration vs fact
- Stefan has a wife who is not social, so Bella's thing about him wanting Amber might or might not be true, it might be Bella's projection
- Mario defended Bella and Mila against Melanie Ceril, and Mila admits he wasn't a bad guy back then
- Stefan owns a sculpture of golden underwear - oh, definite perv confirmed
- Stefan and Mario are evil regardless, because they get Mila charged for no reason, without any proof
- Stefan still has a decent relationship with Zoey, based on how he talks about her and Bella getting along, the implication is Zoey will be at his gala thing, so even if evil, he's not that evil, probably less evil than the Zanes, or Zoey has gone evil, we don't know if she's still with Katie in SG

Completely speculative below:
- Regards Zoey, I guess we'll see what is canon in WiaB if she get's revealed - did she start a porn company, and is Stefan part of that? Is Emilia an ex-star of their company?
- Because we think of William as a hero in WiaB, we tend to think the Zanes are a force of 'good' in the Wollust area. This might not be true at all. They might be the prime pervs/corruptors after removing all competition (devil's advocate position). This might mean that we see Stefan is still all chumy with the Zanes at the gala, with all the high society
- Stefan at dinner has an innocent teacher from a MOR, a Coach from ZPR and his son goes to a different college, we don't know who the other guy at dinner was. Is Stefan organising something behind the backs of the college leaderships?
- one bit of speculation about Stefan's work, not sure if there's anything that explicitely states what he does - in WiaB, the Holgersons own a 'paper' company that needs to be digitised. That suggests a newspaper/magazine to me. Maybe he is Nicole's boss, and that's why he is having dinner with other college workers, to scout stories?

As a character, he's currently manipulative, but we don't know why, so an enigma, who has aged like shit rather than fine wine in 20 years

Pretty much this, plus we don't know if Stefans son hasn't stirred up lies to his dad when (IF) he was one of the rich dudes Mila rejected in the past. We don't know exactly how effected Mario had been by Milas rejection and thus how vengeful he became. As Mila said, rich kids don't take it well if they cannot get what they want for once. Maybe it was something that made her the prime suspect for his dad instantly when they found out someone robbed them.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Pretty much this, plus we don't know if Stefans son hasn't stirred up lies to his dad when (IF) he was one of the rich dudes Mila rejected in the past. We don't know exactly how effected Mario had been by Milas rejection and thus how vengeful he became. As Mila said, rich kids don't take it well if they cannot get what they want for once. Maybe it was something that made her the prime suspect for his dad instantly when they found out someone robbed them.

The fact that Vanessa knows all about Miss Steiner suggests she's part of whatever Mario and Stefan have planned for Mila. As someone pointed out (was it you, John972 or N1ghtcrawler maybe?), Mario isn't the one trash talking Mila, and MIla lets us know he wasn't always such a bad guy. Also, it doesn't say Mario was the one who got rejected, just that Mila 'rebuffed two fo them in the past'. Bella's the one who directs Nika against Mario, it could be Antony or Chubby Ocean dude who were rejected. Bella's the one who has something against the Holgersons. Mila never names Mario as one of the people she rejected.

The way Ocean suggests using Mario's money to cheer Mila up with dinner does make it likely that Mario was one of the rejected ones though - the whole robbing hood justice.

Back to Vanessa, if she knows all about Mila, and is friendly with her, while Mario is actively seeking to destroy her... I think there's a complicated plot line there

 

[vampires69'in]

The fact that Vanessa knows all about Miss Steiner suggests she's part of whatever Mario and Stefan have planned for Mila. As someone pointed out (was it you, John972 or N1ghtcrawler maybe?), Mario isn't the one trash talking Mila, and MIla lets us know he wasn't always such a bad guy. Also, it doesn't say Mario was the one who got rejected, just that Mila 'rebuffed two fo them in the past'. Bella's the one who directs Nika against Mario, it could be Antony or Chubby Ocean dude who were rejected. Bella's the one who has something against the Holgersons. Mila never names Mario as one of the people she rejected.

The way Ocean suggests using Mario's money to cheer Mila up with dinner does make it likely that Mario was one of the rejected ones though - the whole robbing hood justice.

Back to Vanessa, if she knows all about Mila, and is friendly with her, while Mario is actively seeking to destroy her... I think there's a complicated plot line there

I've said it beforeI'll say it again. he's not just chubby, he looks like he's 40 going on 50., a really bad 40 going on 50 at that lol.
I refuse to believe he's around their age lol.

 

[vampires69'in]

The fact that Vanessa knows all about Miss Steiner suggests she's part of whatever Mario and Stefan have planned for Mila. As someone pointed out (was it you, John972 or N1ghtcrawler maybe?), Mario isn't the one trash talking Mila, and MIla lets us know he wasn't always such a bad guy. Also, it doesn't say Mario was the one who got rejected, just that Mila 'rebuffed two fo them in the past'. Bella's the one who directs Nika against Mario, it could be Antony or Chubby Ocean dude who were rejected. Bella's the one who has something against the Holgersons. Mila never names Mario as one of the people she rejected.

The way Ocean suggests using Mario's money to cheer Mila up with dinner does make it likely that Mario was one of the rejected ones though - the whole robbing hood justice.

Back to Vanessa, if she knows all about Mila, and is friendly with her, while Mario is actively seeking to destroy her... I think there's a complicated plot line there

unrelated, I find it hillarious how both sisters remark on how hot Mila is. Zara says Mila Steiner, that body lol. And Vanessa is just eating her up with her eyes and a bit handsy even saying she'd love to see her naked.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I've said it beforeI'll say it again. he's not just chubby, he looks like he's 40 going on 50., a really bad 40 going on 50 at that lol. View attachment 3948950
I refuse to believe he's around their age lol.

That's not Mario, as someone pointed out, apparently that's an easter egg of Ocean. Mario's the one at the back, behind Antony. We don't know the name of the guy in focus.

I knew people you looked like that in secondary school... maybe we were precocious and aged poorly? I personally think wearing ties for a school uniform ages people, and we're used to only old characters being chubby in AVN's.

 

[vampires69'in]

That's not Mario, as someone pointed out, apparently that's an easter egg of Ocean. Mario's the one at the back, behind Antony. We don't know the name of the guy in focus.

I knew people you looked like that in secondary school... maybe we were precocious and aged poorly? I personally think wearing ties for a school uniform ages people, and we're used to only old characters being chubby in AVN's.

yeah, I wasn't refering to mario lol.I was refering to the chubby dude. mario is shown to be ripped...with a little dick

 

[vampires69'in]

That's not Mario, as someone pointed out, apparently that's an easter egg of Ocean. Mario's the one at the back, behind Antony. We don't know the name of the guy in focus.

I knew people you looked like that in secondary school... maybe we were precocious and aged poorly? I personally think wearing ties for a school uniform ages people, and we're used to only old characters being chubby in AVN's.

I think it's mostly around the mouth that makes him look so old. I would say it's more what feels like intenionally making those non skinny male characters older looking for whatever reason