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He might love it, but I am sure to not be the only one who cannot stand the caricatures he makes of several characters. As for Leia not having Mommy´s genes any more, I already wrote in the WiaB thread that this decision to Kowtow before Patreon that it is a totally wrong decision storywise. And a lot of the current story is coming apart at the seams now already, like how Leia, whose body type absolutely is NOT one having big boobs, can have these freakish boobs without Helen´s genes.

Absolutely agree. As said before, I do not understand how he can make such great designs, esp. the fantastic faces, and then throw everything out the window to give them caricature bodies, if we want to say it nice.
I mean, people have called Leia's areolas tomato slices on discord to him, and he doubles down on it. Maybe his girlfriend is super well endowed and he just likes it? We'll never know his reasons. It's fine if it was just one or two, but there's something in the water at Wollust that makes 'em bigger than average :HideThePain: Regards bowing to patreon - WiaB isn't on there, so that's not the reason. But, I'll save that discussion for WiaB once you're able to post in that thread.

And yeah, I really think he must be surrounded by friends who scored big in the connective tissue department. It's the only way to understand why the majority are more than average.
 

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I don't think tomato slices is a good enough description
Whatever description you find to be apt, to paint the mental picture you're trying to convey, is entirely up to you.
In any case, I'm rather fond of large areolas when they are on larger breasts, so it doesn't bother one bit.

While I don't think she's quite as lovely as Katie, I do still find her attractive.
 

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Whatever description you find to be apt, to paint the mental picture you're trying to convey, is entirely up to you.
In any case, I'm rather fond of large areolas when they are on larger breasts, so it doesn't bother one bit.

While I don't think she's quite as lovely as Katie, I do still find her attractive.
It's just that 10 years earlier, she was anorexic, and was late to puberty. It's not a particularly realistic characterisation - she also in that 10 years started a nightclub/criminal empire, and has been successful to buy flashy cars. Masive overnight success story, gets the health back, gets the fast car, mansion and the fully fledged business with henchmen, without grey hair, without wrinkles from the stress of running it all.

But mainly the health thing...

because the business side is happening so rapidly it's even more exaggerated than her areolas.
 

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Whatever description you find to be apt, to paint the mental picture you're trying to convey, is entirely up to you.
In any case, I'm rather fond of large areolas when they are on larger breasts, so it doesn't bother one bit.

While I don't think she's quite as lovely as Katie, I do still find her attractive.
It doesn't really matter to me, I'm neither a big fan nor do I hate it. The problem is that from this photo Leia's proportions have become absurd
 

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I have to say that although I don't love all of the Ocean models, especially some truly bad renders, I don't think it is this big of a problem. In all we have good diversed of bodys, I have played enough games where every single LI has the exactly same body.

We have tall and petite, thick, athletic. The man does favorites bigger breasts, but I don't feel that this is a problem. I agree that sometimes the proportions are odd, but when I see complains over aureolas size... I don't know, some woman has bigguer areolas is this really such a turn off ?
 

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The man does favorites bigger breasts, but I don't feel that this is a problem
Really? Take a look at once again "improved" Helen, see pic below! Or Mila and new Leia! Caricatures all, esp. Helen and in Leia´s case, she has not the body type for big breasts and canonically was anorexic (due to WiaB MC missing) for years and late at puberty too. It is completely absurd giving her breasts like these. The breasts she had in old Wiab ch.6 and new Wiab ch.1 were great and fitting her frame. And not this bad joke.
 

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I'm pretty sure she will be. Even in that list of LI's things have changed and Ocean isn't revealing anything anymore. Some might be dropped, some might be reinstated. We really have to wait and see, but Ayua dressing skimpy and showing too much in season 2 previews as well and her continual interest in Nika's dick suggests there will be something ...classy.
I hope so. Btw, does Ocean keep changing the LI´s that much? I feel like most games know from the start which girls will be datable and which ones will just be fuckable, but I get the sense that in this one it keeps changing all the time.
 

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Really? Take a look at once again "improved" Helen, see pic below! Or Mila and new Leia! Caricatures all, esp. Helen and in Leia´s case, she has not the body type for big breasts and canonically was anorexic (due to WiaB MC missing) for years and late at puberty too. It is completely absurd giving her breasts like these. The breasts she had in old Wiab ch.6 and new Wiab ch.1 were great and fitting her frame. And not this bad joke.
Yeah, Helen is a bit too much. Milla don't bothers me and Leia, yeah is not realistic but I can suspend my disbelief. I too prefer her frame in chapter 1, in chapter 2 I think they are too big but in the last one they are fine, big but fine. I think that it don't gets into me that much, sure I might prefer X but it don't ruins anything to me.
 

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Maybe this is a miscommunication problem, but what is Zane?
Zane is the "main" family in the universe and in WiaB.

I hope so. Btw, does Ocean keep changing the LI´s that much? I feel like most games know from the start which girls will be datable and which ones will just be fuckable, but I get the sense that in this one it keeps changing all the time.
Is less that the LIs change and more that Ocean don't openly say who is who. We know some but not all, it changed somewhat when the game got reworked but I don't think that it was that much, so we know those that he had spoken on but no new ones.
 

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does anybody know how to install this on an android? I remember playing this a year ago, but now I can't find the download link.
 

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Maybe this is a miscommunication problem, but what is Zane?
As mentioned, Zane is the name of one of the important families in Wollust. In SG, the Zanes are one of the families that make up ZPR who run the college (the others are the Petrovas and the Reveras). Ayua's surname is Zane, Katie who you see in Ch5 is a Zane, and in the bookclub scene, there's gossip about other Zanes. The other Zanes that are gossiped about are Willi and Leia from WiaB. In WiaB, whe have Helen and Dylan who are Katie's parents as well, and Helen's sister, who has two kids, Lucas and Katarina - they're not Zanes though, just related. Regards the other letters in ZPR, Mila tells you in chapter 4.5 when you get coffee before the movie night at Vic's. Sasha is a daughter of the Petrovas, and whe haven't met the Revera yet, but seems to be one of the guys on the basketball team.

In Wiab or SG, we haven't met Elena Petrova who is Sasha's mom, but she runs the country club with the tennis and golf. We haven't seen her younger self in WiaB yet, but I'm sure we will as she was an important part of the plot before the rework. We haven't heard anything other than there is a Revera family, but we do have Donna in WiaB, who was Donna Revera before the rework, but in the current game, we just know her as Donna so far.

I hope so. Btw, does Ocean keep changing the LI´s that much? I feel like most games know from the start which girls will be datable and which ones will just be fuckable, but I get the sense that in this one it keeps changing all the time.
It should be pretty set now, as throwing LI's in or out will change his dev roadmap. I think it's more a case that he wasn't sure if he wanted to commit some characters to a LI route because of story reasons - for example, originally Maja was going to be a LI, but Ocean pulled her from the list when he started the rework; his reason is that she would always choose Vic's happiness over her own, that's her character, so she won't get into a game of fighting Vic for Nika (no matter what LI path you're on, Vic is always 100% gunning for Nika). But due toMaja fans on discord (I guess) Ocean has seemingly relented, and said Maja will have some lewd scenes.

There are also characters that will have lewd scenes that aren't LI's. It might be that Ocean puts Ayua in that category, she gets drunk and has a fling with Nika, but isn't serious. At this point, we simply don't know.
 

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also in that 10 years started a nightclub/criminal empire, and has been successful to buy flashy cars. Masive overnight success story, gets the health back, gets the fast car, mansion and the fully fledged business with henchmen
Sorry but i've seen people doing this in less than 2~3 years in my country...Lambos, mansions, private jets....imagine then 10 years doing the same thing, without being arrested or having all the stuff seized.
 

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Was playing WIAB and noticed the Hoe that says William is hot. She looks exactly like Nancy was Nancys mom a Hoe.
 

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I have to say that although I don't love all of the Ocean models, especially some truly bad renders, I don't think it is this big of a problem. In all we have good diversed of bodys, I have played enough games where every single LI has the exactly same body.

We have tall and petite, thick, athletic. The man does favorites bigger breasts, but I don't feel that this is a problem. I agree that sometimes the proportions are odd, but when I see complains over aureolas size... I don't know, some woman has bigguer areolas is this really such a turn off ?
Every person has their own opinion and tastes about it, but its like you said, this game has different body types and for many tastes, seems like ppl are nitpicking a lot with it. And since the game was reworked its normal to change things, look at Miru...100% other person, dont see the problem on Leia having bigger tits or bigger areolas, i think it add "realism" and more diversity on body types. Dana had a totally different body type too, iirc she was slim and now she is quite bigger. MC totally different too... i dont understand why ppl are so fixated on Leia.
 
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is there a list over who is gonna be actual LI in this game? im guessing Nami, Bella, Vic, Mila. but im also hoping for Zara, Robin, Nadia, Nancy and Ayua.

So far my favorites are Bella and Mila... guess i got a savior complex, i feel for them and rly want to save them... :unsure:
My 1st place is Bella , but i also like Bella's mother..she's 4th place.
Mila for now is 2nd place too for me
Sasha 3rd place. (the blondes are being my favs :p)
Zara for now is 5th place.
Then Sonya and Nadia..... and i didnt like Vanessa when she was introduced but im curious to play her path, shes kinda interesting in her own way and i think she would make a good couple with MC considering their personalities.

The ones i dont like that much, Nami, Nia, Marla and Vic, but it can change, the closest one that i would give a chance is Vic, but i prefer to help her first and then see what happens after as shes in a tough spot.
 

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It should be pretty set now, as throwing LI's in or out will change his dev roadmap. I think it's more a case that he wasn't sure if he wanted to commit some characters to a LI route because of story reasons - for example, originally Maja was going to be a LI, but Ocean pulled her from the list when he started the rework; his reason is that she would always choose Vic's happiness over her own, that's her character, so she won't get into a game of fighting Vic for Nika (no matter what LI path you're on, Vic is always 100% gunning for Nika). But due toMaja fans on discord (I guess) Ocean has seemingly relented, and said Maja will have some lewd scenes.

There are also characters that will have lewd scenes that aren't LI's. It might be that Ocean puts Ayua in that category, she gets drunk and has a fling with Nika, but isn't serious. At this point, we simply don't know.
That is something that I don't understand. If Maja will not pursue MC because of Vic - with I completely understand - why would she fuck him ? Imagine the conversation, "Vic I know you really like Nika, that is why I will only fuck him but will never date". It is still betraying Vic and being selfish, in my mind is even worse because she will have no intentions of have something with him so she just fucked her sister crush because she wanted to.

Still holding hope for Ayua ? Can't really blame you. I still believe that Ocean is only teasing with Ayua and Noji but I will be damned if I would not like it to.

Every person has their own opinion and tastes about it, but its like you said, this game has different body types and for many tastes, seems like ppl are nitpicking a lot with it. And since the game was reworked its normal to change things, look at Miru...100% other person, dont see the problem on Leia having bigger tits or bigger areolas, i think it add "realism" and more diversity on body types. Dana had a totally different body type too, iirc she was slim and now she is quite bigger. MC totally different too... i dont understand why ppl are so fixated on Leia.
I understand most of the complains, and sometimes Ocean really fucks up - Milla - just the aureolas one that I really can't understand. Leia is quite a popular LI, so is natural that people talk about her, good and bad.

Was playing WIAB and noticed the Hoe that says William is hot. She looks exactly like Nancy was Nancys mom a Hoe.
I don't think so. Milla has better chances as her mother really is a whore. Nancy seems to also come from wealth family, with does not invalidates the ideas that her mother could have worked for Leia, but is less likely in my mind. I really think that some of Leia's work will have a story role, I am betting on the asian one but we will have to wait and sse
 
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Sorry but i've seen people doing this in less than 2~3 years in my country...Lambos, mansions, private jets....imagine then 10 years doing the same thing, without being arrested or having all the stuff seized.
Well, in my country, after recovering from a mental illness most people aren't sharp enough to hustle that fast. She would have been drugged with antidepressants, monitored to get her weight under control. Once she's over that, she could start. If you've seen it happen so fast, I can't say it doesn't, but the public usually sees the tip of the iceberg, years of preparation creating the infrastructure. Leia didn't have anything she could really use to start unless it was Uncle Joe's gang, but it seems like they've been roped in by her after, she's kinda taking them over while he's in prison.

Illegitimate businesses can go faster than legal ones, but the nightclub is legitimate, otherwise the police could shut it down.

But you're right, things could happen fast, it's not impossible, just unlikely considering her mental state and health. Such things take a lot to turn around. The thing I'm starting to wonder is where Leia got the capital to start up, did she start the criminal side first, and then find a business to take over? Did she work and rise through the ranks, blackmail the owner into giving her control? Or did she get Helen involved as a financial support? Helen's dislike of guns, and her and Scarlet hiding what Leia's doing, while Scarlet is married to a gang member.... it makes me wonder.

Every person has their own opinion and tastes about it, but its like you said, this game has different body types and for many tastes, seems like ppl are nitpicking a lot with it. And since the game was reworked its normal things to change, look at Miru...100% other person, dont see the problem on Leia having bigger tits or bigger areolas, i think it add "realism" and more diversity on body types. Dana had a totally different body type too, iirc she was slim and now she is quite bigger. MC totally different too... i dont understand why ppl are so fixated on Leia.
It's not that large is a problem, but that Ocean has inflated her body over the course of the game (just considering the remake). Both she and Helen had great figures in Ch6 of old WiaB, then in current Ch1 Leia was fine, bigger, but fine. Then Ch2 Leia happened, and it's like watching her character get bimbofied. Same with Helen.

Here's Ch1 Helen, believable, still curvy. Shape of her breasts is a little unnatural, deformed by the clothing I guess? But the clothing is loose:
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Here's Ch2, a couple of days later, Helen hit the donuts HARD:
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Check out those thighs, they are wider than her head. Her buttocks are bigger than her head. Her breasts, you get the idea. There is no believable proportion here. Her head should be chubby like the rest of her for this to be believable:
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Again, compare her thighs to her head. That is messed up. I'm not body shaming, this is just not proportional - her head is too small for her body and frame, her thighs make WIlliam look like a stick rather than a condom filled with walnuts, and that's saying something:
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This is all in the current WiaB. People DON'T retain that much fluid in two days, or put on that many kilos straight to fat. If she ate that many donuts, it'd look like she she had a bun in the oven, a food baby from the donuts. It wouldn't have reached her thighs already.

On to Leia, current WiaB Ch1, compared to old WiaB Ch6. Pretty comparable, clearly better renders in the newer WiaB, but basically the same model. When William hugs her, her boobs are not so intrusive:
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A couple of days later, Leia too starts retaining water or the donuts turn straight to 'connective tissue'. She's not as bad as Helen's change, but even still, it's a different body frame a day later in the game time.
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And now ch3, bigger again from ch2:
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So it's not the problem of "I don't like big" but "I like consistent". people don't change this much in a day. Katie and Miru stay almost the same. Mon and Kata stay the same.

Because this is SG MT, let's look at Mila, here's the oldest render left in SG S1. She's big, but her head is not a dot on top of a mountain of connective tissue.
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Here she is in the reworked scene just before, same day prior to the basketball.
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Then the earlier rework of 1 when she was even more on the donuts, a few days earlier in the game. So she starts large, and shrinks in ch4 after chaging shape several times.
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Here she is in ch2. Black is slimming... but even still, better than Ch1. Ocean even admitted there were problems and showed the 5 different Mila models as a comparison, he just never fully fixed her to be one model. Wish I could find that test render right now.
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From behind, Mila looks reasonably proportional.
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but from the front, those things don't match the rest of her frame. Also, notice here the effect of clothing layers. Ocean has floated the clothing off her body, making her look larger. I wonder how many of the renders are effected by the thickness of the clothing material, which here the white layer is anot an inch thick almost. Then they're the layer under the white.
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So in conclusion, it's not the size, that's merely preference. I can dislike overly large body types, and that's fine, there can be variety. The problem is all these characters keep shifting size between renders, even on the same day in the game. Vast differences. That's why people are annoyed. Not because of just taste, but the continuity is seriously messed up on these three. Vic also has some issues, Compare hoodie walking Vic to ch$.5 topless Vic, and compare sexy Vic can walk again treats. Ocean's treats of Vic are very lovely. Her boobs in Ch4.5 look to be made of porcelain, and look like they would hurt people rather than comfort them.

For example, I don't complain about NIa, because she's stayed the same. I don't complain about Dana, because Ocean has explained her figure is part of the story, and he wanted to try something there. At least in SG S1 Mila is mostly the same model other than Ch4, and most of the continuity issues are clothing. affecting her size.

That is something that I don't understand. If Maja will not pursue MC because of Vic - with I completely understand - why would she fuck him ? Imagine the conversation, "Vic I know you really like Nika, that is why I will only fuck him but will never date". It is still betraying Vic and being selfish, in my mind is even worse because she will have no intentions of have something with him so she just fucked her sister crush because she wanted to.

Still holding hope for Ayua ? Can't really blame you. I still believe that Ocean is only teasing with Ayua and Noji but I will be damned if I would not like it to.



I understand most of the complains, and sometimes Ocean really fucks up - Milla - just the aureolas one that I really can't understand. Leia is quite a popular LI, so is natural that people talk about her, good and bad.



I don't think so. Milla has better chances as her mother really is a whore. Nancy seems to also come from wealth family, with does not invalidates the ideas that her mother could have worked for Leia, but is less likely in my mind. I really think that some of Leia's work will have a story role, I am betting on the asian one but we will have to wait and sse
The Maja thing might be her getting all teasing with him trying to get a reaction as she's an assistant coach, and she goes too far in the heat of the moment, then she suffers intense guilt from it, and pushes hima way. Totally believable. Also, lewd doesn't = actual sex. There are so many things she might do. Nika might even initiate it. We won't know until we get to that part of the story, if it happens. So far we've been promised a 'scene' with Maja, which implies some solo Maja event, rather than just screen time with her hanging around Vic, so I don't know. Probably a locker room thing.

Ayua, I'm much more keen on than Noji. We'll see, fingers crossed.

Yeah, I'm wondering how many members of the book club used to work for Leia, like Jenna would be a candidate given her thief nature. I do think there will be shenanigans involving those work girls, they all aim to be gold diggers in a way.
 
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