VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Krytax123]

People sure be prepared for it to take close to a year for a update

If its really 6k or even 7k+ renders thats still fast even without considering the quality.

I get that people like to shit on ocean and dpc (and there may be valid reasons at times) but development speed is not it. There arent many DAZ devs who consistently produce 500+ renders a month. Like barely any.

And at least Oceans renders are awesome (and dpc produces a loooooooooot of animations additionally).

Sometimes i feel like some guys would prefer 6 month updates with 1k renders over 12 month updates with 6k renders.

Are they stupid?

 

[BobTheDuck]

If its really 6k or even 7k+ renders thats still fast even without considering the quality.

I get that people like to shit on ocean and dpc (and there may be valid reasons at times) but development speed is not it. There arent many DAZ devs who consistently produce 500+ renders a month. Like barely any.

And at least Oceans renders are awesome (and dpc produces a loooooooooot of animations additionally).

Sometimes i feel like some guys would prefer 6 month updates with 1k renders over 12 month updates with 6k renders.

Are they stupid?

Exactly. I'd rather have updates that offer a complete scenes with a cliffhanger of some sort leaving me waiting, than an update that just ends halfway through a scene to be out 'on time'. Given to anticipated scope of the album, It doesn't need even more cliff hangers every thousand renders.

Essentially people either want the content Ocean provides or they want their itch scratched. There's plenty of good looking games on the site to scratch an itch, so I do prefer the idea of letting Ocean tell it in his own way. My calendar isn't marked by AVN updates.

 

[LHDLLB]

If its really 6k or even 7k+ renders thats still fast even without considering the quality.

I get that people like to shit on ocean and dpc (and there may be valid reasons at times) but development speed is not it. There arent many DAZ devs who consistently produce 500+ renders a month. Like barely any.

And at least Oceans renders are awesome (and dpc produces a loooooooooot of animations additionally).

Sometimes i feel like some guys would prefer 6 month updates with 1k renders over 12 month updates with 6k renders.

Are they stupid?

Why can't it be 3K renders in 6 months ? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you but I also understand the frustration over the time between updates. Sure Ocean dropped S1 in May but the last updated that moved the story forward was last year and when S2 drops will be over a year. I am looking forward to it and more than happy with a 7k renders update but I also would love regular updates of 2500/3000k render every other 6 months.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Why can't it be 3K renders in 6 months ? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you but I also understand the frustration over the time between updates. Sure Ocean dropped S1 in May but the last updated that moved the story forward was last year and when S2 drops will be over a year. I am looking forward to it and more than happy with a 7k renders update but I also would love regular updates of 2500/3000k render every other 6 months.

Ocean's said in recent devlogs that is the plan after chapter 1, at least size wise We'll see what happens after the two games get over their next updates. I think the reason for this being larger is he wanted to start all (or at least a significant number) of the LI paths in meaningful ways, which requires a lot of content.If however, he decided to do one mammoth 6000 render update every year and it meant half the number of chapters, it's still the same daily render count.

Judging an update by the number of renders right now is the only metric we have, but once we have the update we can see whether it's satisfying as a game. A lot of games with faster/shorter dev cycles have left me to wait until there was sufficent content to play a couple of updates.

It's not as if our thoughts will change the dev cycle, more important is changing Ocean's mind on Ayua's and Maja's LI status

 

[Krytax123]

Why can't it be 3K renders in 6 months ? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you but I also understand the frustration over the time between updates. Sure Ocean dropped S1 in May but the last updated that moved the story forward was last year and when S2 drops will be over a year. I am looking forward to it and more than happy with a 7k renders update but I also would love regular updates of 2500/3000k render every other 6 months.

As he usually did that my guess is it wouldnt feel complete / too many LI's would have no screentime this time around.

It's not as if our thoughts will change the dev cycle, more important is changing Ocean's mind on Ayua's and Maja's LI status

Yes! There's (probably) barely anyone a Zane anymore anyway, give us Ayua! And i actually prefer Maja over Vic

 

[LHDLLB]

Ocean's said in recent devlogs that is the plan after chapter 1, at least size wise We'll see what happens after the two games get over their next updates. I think the reason for this being larger is he wanted to start all (or at least a significant number) of the LI paths in meaningful ways, which requires a lot of content.If however, he decided to do one mammoth 6000 render update every year and it meant half the number of chapters, it's still the same daily render count.

Judging an update by the number of renders right now is the only metric we have, but once we have the update we can see whether it's satisfying as a game. A lot of games with faster/shorter dev cycles have left me to wait until there was sufficent content to play a couple of updates.

It's not as if our thoughts will change the dev cycle, more important is changing Ocean's mind on Ayua's and Maja's LI status

Oh I know, starting the season with a banguer is a really good idea and I really don't mind longer updates circles if it means longer gameplay. But I also can understand the frustration over it, everyone would like faster updates.

I am very curious though if the next updates are like 3 chapters in one or if is just one big chapter. It makes sense if it was the former, and we will never know, but if Ocean can tell a chapter in 2k renders the 64 chapters becomes much more plausible.

If Nika is not a Zane there is hope for Auya, Maja will never happen through. I would be happy and discover the name of the mysterious redhead.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Oh I know, starting the season with a banguer is a really good idea and I really don't mind longer updates circles if it means longer gameplay. But I also can understand the frustration over it, everyone would like faster updates.

I am very curious though if the next updates are like 3 chapters in one or if is just one big chapter. It makes sense if it was the former, and we will never know, but if Ocean can tell a chapter in 2k renders the 64 chapters becomes much more plausible.

If Nika is not a Zane there is hope for Auya, Maja will never happen through. I would be happy and discover the name of the mysterious redhead.

Well, Maja is lewdable. My guess is that if you do something with her she feels guilty afterwards and breaks it off. I'm just sad because she was. I understand Ocean's reasons, because Vic is currently overshadowed by the other LI's and is important to the story, Ocean needs her to be popular at least a little - it's not her fault Maja's hotter. Ayua, well, she's showing too much to just be a support character. Rehead render from a recent devlog shows her hanging around Vic, so we'll have some idea of who she is by then.

I feel that he's set a rough story board for what happens in each chapter so he doesn't get excited and push the story ahead too fast in one area and neglect the others. More like a comprehensive outline. Once he sits down to render it, he realises how many renders he needs to tell what he wants to tell. the actual chapter divisions are simply so he can label what h delivers and keep it distinct. It doesn't really matter how many there are or what the size of any of them are. What matters is how fast he can set up and render scenes at this point.

 

[LHDLLB]

Well, Maja is lewdable. My guess is that if you do something with her she feels guilty afterwards and breaks it off. I'm just sad because she was. I understand Ocean's reasons, because Vic is currently overshadowed by the other LI's and is important to the story, Ocean needs her to be popular at least a little - it's not her fault Maja's hotter. Ayua, well, she's showing too much to just be a support character. Rehead render from a recent devlog shows her hanging around Vic, so we'll have some idea of who she is by then.

I feel that he's set a rough story board for what happens in each chapter so he doesn't get excited and push the story ahead too fast in one area and neglect the others. More like a comprehensive outline. Once he sits down to render it, he realises how many renders he needs to tell what he wants to tell. the actual chapter divisions are simply so he can label what h delivers and keep it distinct. It doesn't really matter how many there are or what the size of any of them are. What matters is how fast he can set up and render scenes at this point.

Vic is incredible underrated, I like her more than I do Maja. Auya is a special case- whatever that means- I don't think she will be only a support character either, being William's daughter, but I have serious doubt about anything happen with her. Ocean is teasing us, just like he teases Nojiko and Maja.Yeah, there was some treats with her as well, she and the goth one are teased too much to not have a role to play.

I agree with your take, the question is did he needed 6k renders to tell what was in the outline of one chapter or 3 or 4 ? The update seems to cover 2 days at least. I guess my question is how much story/progress does this update has ? I really like SG but so far the plot has not moved forward, I think that WiaB has more plot progression than SG being 2 updates "behind". Because if in 6k-8k render the plot don't move after all the introduction of S1 I will be disappointed, not even talking lewds here, just plot progression.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Vic is incredible underrated, I like her more than I do Maja. Auya is a special case- whatever that means- I don't think she will be only a support character either, being William's daughter, but I have serious doubt about anything happen with her. Ocean is teasing us, just like he teases Nojiko and Maja.Yeah, there was some treats with her as well, she and the goth one are teased too much to not have a role to play.

I agree with your take, the question is did he needed 6k renders to tell what was in the outline of one chapter or 3 or 4 ? The update seems to cover 2 days at least. I guess my question is how much story/progress does this update has ? I really like SG but so far the plot has not moved forward, I think that WiaB has more plot progression than SG being 2 updates "behind". Because if in 6k-8k render the plot don't move after all the introduction of S1 I will be disappointed, not even talking lewds here, just plot progression.

6k renders is about half of season 1. Even with branching there will be a lot of progression. Katie's not going to be there are be mute, we're going to see things in the background of Ayua's studio, as well as whatever she says when she talks about it. Events with Zara are guaranteed to be training in some fashion, we're already getting vibes that they'll be going with Mila to check out the house, and there's the openning night of the bar. We have weird scenes with Noji at night as and in the spa, we have a day at college where Bella uses Claire's office (same top as the Ayua render where Bella's sleeping on NIka's shoulder, unless those are just renders Ocean did on the side).

I can't imagine we won't learn anything at all in that time, and that's not including spending time with Vanessa, who loves secrets, no mention of Sasha, who will be going semi nude modelling, not mentioning Nia's potential info after her bombshell, especially if you go with her for drinks, the coaches are currently pissed at Nika for missing a night of training...

There's almost too much to list. Same as in WiaB, the plot progresses from interaction - we know about Melanie because you ripped Zara's shirt in effect, then you bump into her sister/policeofficer. Something Ocean does in an interesting way is providing the information without making it sound like someone's written a play, there's very few weird expositions, things just happen.

Also the sad image of Ayua in class is after the studio event, so it'll be interesting to see how the interactions go - also, if we're NOT on Bella's path, do we have a different scene without her sleeping on Nika's shoulder?

 

[AlexFXR]

If its really 6k or even 7k+ renders thats still fast even without considering the quality.

I get that people like to shit on ocean and dpc (and there may be valid reasons at times) but development speed is not it. There arent many DAZ devs who consistently produce 500+ renders a month. Like barely any.

And at least Oceans renders are awesome (and dpc produces a loooooooooot of animations additionally).

Sometimes i feel like some guys would prefer 6 month updates with 1k renders over 12 month updates with 6k renders.

Are they stupid?

I understand that you like Ocean and want to justify it, but why tell a lie to do so? You're only making it worse.

Development speed is considered the main factor on Patreon, the faster a developer makes a game, the more he earns. Because people see that the author is serious about his game and start donating to him, provided that the game is not boring.

You say: "There aren't many DAZ devs who consistently produce 500+ renders a month." I want to remind you that Ocean used to do more than 1000 renders a month, but as soon as he got money from Steam, he immediately became lazy and started working less. You can see for yourself that his work speed has dropped by 2 times.

Ahaha.... You asked the right question to Ocean fans..." are they stupid"? Remember that Ocean promised to make about 8,000 renders by the end of the year, and 5 months later he wrote that he made only 2,000 renders, although given the speed of his work, he should have made at least 5,000. He also wrote that he would not have time to make the game this year. And the fans believed him and constantly donated, if you take the average amount of money Ocean received from Patreon over these 5 months, it will be more than $ 30,000. In my head there is this scene of Ocean sunbathing on the beach, sipping a cocktail through a straw, and between breaks he writes in his log how hard he works.

 

[Krytax123]

Well, Maja is lewdable. My guess is that if you do something with her she feels guilty afterwards and breaks it off. I'm just sad because she was. I understand Ocean's reasons, because Vic is currently overshadowed by the other LI's and is important to the story, Ocean needs her to be popular at least a little - it's not her fault Maja's hotter.

Yeah its ocean fault

maybe dont put a avn LI in a wheelchair with an addition of an unheatly obsession towards a random guy.

 

[SlowGoesSlow]

Vic may be in a wheelchair, but at least she'll never walk away from Nika. So she has that on everyone else.

 

[Tremonia]

Vic may be in a wheelchair, but at least she'll never walk away from Nika. So she has that on everyone else.

Well, rumors said she's a fan of Limp Bizkit and just keeps rollin', rollin', rollin',...

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Vic may be in a wheelchair, but at least she'll never walk away from Nika. So she has that on everyone else.

Well, rumors said she's a fan of Limp Bizkit and just keeps rollin', rollin', rollin',...

People always picking on my beloved Vic. She is such a sweetheart you evil horrible people

 

[Dessolos]

People always picking on my beloved Vic. She is such a sweetheart you evil horrible people

haha she was my favorite at first honestly. I still have a hard time saying I like Nia or Nami more than her lol. ( my #2 and #3 spots)

 

[Tremonia]

People always picking on my beloved Vic. She is such a sweetheart you evil horrible people

I don't pick on her. I respect this character a lot. I just don't think she's a sweetheart. She may be look like the most vulnerable character in this game but I also believe she's much more of a perv as one would assume.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I don't pick on her. I respect this character a lot. I just don't think she's a sweetheart. She may be look like the most vulnerable character in this game but I also believe she's much more of a perv as one would assume.

Perv or not doesn't matter, Nami and Nia are pervs. She is simply too much of a sugar hit. She doesn't seem like she'll disagree with Nika on anything, it's like having a cult follower with no boundaries If Ocean gives he some boundaries I'd probably not be creeped out by her.

And her breasts being are hard as rocks in the renders of her topless at the movie night are anti-hot.

 

[Elduriel]

I don't pick on her. I respect this character a lot. I just don't think she's a sweetheart. She may be look like the most vulnerable character in this game but I also believe she's much more of a perv as one would assume.

she can be a perv and a sweetheart at the same time, don't think the two are mutually exclusive

 

[HornyyPussy]

she can be a perv and a sweetheart at the same time

I know I am

 

[Tremonia]

And her breasts being are hard as rocks in the renders of her topless at the movie night are anti-hot.

Yeah, Ocean has a knack for making the proportions of the girls unnatural. I mean it sure looks good in pictures but no woman with such proportions would have a good life in real. The butts and breasts would totally destroy their backs and they needed pain meds the whole life.