VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[LHDLLB]

I don't understand why not change some dialogues to fix the dynamics between Nami and Nika

My suspicion is that Ocean does not want to change the story more than he has to. Nami's path was thought out as taboo, change it is change the entirely of the path and I think Ocean is not so keen in doing it. Now what could be as taboo as incest that explain their behavior ?

Besides, given Nami's porn habits, if I were Noji I'd be worried about her weird relationships ALL.THE.TIME.

Does Nami's porn habits still is in game ?beyond the face sitting thing ?

Yes.

I like the stories of both games, but currently they both have holes that need filling. Normally that comment means something else on this forum... anyway...

Remember that WiaB isn't on patreon, so the future proofing is not only concerning what we currently know, but about Ocean's plot moving forward for both games, and ensuring the details aren't mistaken. Ocean also mentions about how to make sure they make sense for the kind of story he wants to tell.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think that he can pull it off, not for a lack of skill of his part but because it was too core to the story to now they just be good old friends. Does not work. I plan on still follow the games, but I think it will lessen the story if William has no relations to the Zanes. As for SG we have to wait and see but Nami's path will look pretty strange as it is.

 

[LHDLLB]

About Nika and Nami. Ocean just needs to put the entire narrative weight on the fear of Nojiko discovering their affair.
Let's start with a few tearful flashbacks from their childhood where Nojiko hugs them and says you're like my children to me. You need to create the impression that Nojiko treats them like her real children and will never accept any intimacy between them. And then you have an explanation for why they have to hide. If someone from the College knows, then the whole College knows, and so does Zara, and if she knows, then so does Nick, and if he knows, then so does Nojiko.

I don't think that it works, still would not explain their reactions at Vic's and would paint Nojiko in a not so good light. It also does not solves the problem as Nojiko is only their landlady.

 

[BobTheDuck]

My suspicion is that Ocean does not want to change the story more than he has to. Nami's path was thought out as taboo, change it is change the entirely of the path and I think Ocean is not so keen in doing it. Now what could be as taboo as incest that explain their behavior ?




Does Nami's porn habits still is in game ?beyond the face sitting thing ?



To be perfectly honest, I don't think that he can pull it off, not for a lack of skill of his part but because it was too core to the story to now they just be good old friends. Does not work. I plan on still follow the games, but I think it will lessen the story if William has no relations to the Zanes. As for SG we have to wait and see but Nami's path will look pretty strange as it is.

Yep, Nami's still a weirdo.

n "Asshole!"
n "You swore, you wouldn't tell her I rented Spank Canyon 4!"
scene s51 with dssa
d "No? I said I'd hint at it to make you uncomfortable."

n "I bet she has a secret trapdoor to a sex dungeon."

n "Let's watch a porno."
n "I can either give you a very long speech about why we're gonna watch a porno, or you save us both some time and we just watch a porno."

Regards WiaB, Leia and William are not just good friends. The change clearly states that. What that means for the rest of the game and the universe is something else. I guess my thoughts with both games, is, can we leave our preconceptions and what we once believed aside to see waht the change actually does to the plot? If the characters are engaging and the dramas feel consequential, maybe it'll still be an excellent game, even if it's not the one we'd hoped. I mean, heck Star Wars did me dirty after the first three movies, LotR pissed me off and I loved it anyway. I'm going to suspend my judgement until I can actually play through the change and see what it's like.

 

[dameromexxx]

Nojiko is only their landlady.

Nojiko is only landlady part will never make any sense you can't take care of two 12 and 13 year olds and not have any papers for it. And he will never fix it because then romance with Nami is illegal on patreon so that's already a mistake you will never get rid of

 

[sorco2003]

Yep, Nami's still a weirdo.

n "Asshole!"
n "You swore, you wouldn't tell her I rented Spank Canyon 4!"
scene s51 with dssa
d "No? I said I'd hint at it to make you uncomfortable."

n "I bet she has a secret trapdoor to a sex dungeon."

n "Let's watch a porno."
n "I can either give you a very long speech about why we're gonna watch a porno, or you save us both some time and we just watch a porno."

Regards WiaB, Leia and William are not just good friends. The change clearly states that. What that means for the rest of the game and the universe is something else. I guess my thoughts with both games, is, can we leave our preconceptions and what we once believed aside to see waht the change actually does to the plot? If the characters are engaging and the dramas feel consequential, maybe it'll still be an excellent game, even if it's not the one we'd hoped. I mean, heck Star Wars did me dirty after the first three movies, LotR pissed me off and I loved it anyway. I'm going to suspend my judgement until I can actually play through the change and see what it's like.

You say that it is necessary to suspend theorization? you are not asking too much?
As for the examples you give to have hope... it is not at all comparable, here there are no books or original trilogies in which to rest if the story told in the games changes until it disappears.

 

[LHDLLB]

Yep, Nami's still a weirdo.

n "Asshole!"
n "You swore, you wouldn't tell her I rented Spank Canyon 4!"
scene s51 with dssa
d "No? I said I'd hint at it to make you uncomfortable."

n "I bet she has a secret trapdoor to a sex dungeon."

n "Let's watch a porno."
n "I can either give you a very long speech about why we're gonna watch a porno, or you save us both some time and we just watch a porno."

Regards WiaB, Leia and William are not just good friends. The change clearly states that. What that means for the rest of the game and the universe is something else. I guess my thoughts with both games, is, can we leave our preconceptions and what we once believed aside to see waht the change actually does to the plot? If the characters are engaging and the dramas feel consequential, maybe it'll still be an excellent game, even if it's not the one we'd hoped. I mean, heck Star Wars did me dirty after the first three movies, LotR pissed me off and I loved it anyway. I'm going to suspend my judgement until I can actually play through the change and see what it's like.

Was talking about the "special porn", that I think was cut.

Yeah, but is Leia still a LI ? and if she is, how does it future proof anything ? If she is not, you killed the heart of the story.
Don't get me wrong, it still can be a good story, I am not making judgments yet. But it will be a lesser story only because it will lack a logical sense to its development. I really can not think of a good enough reason beyond the obvius answer, that is fine, is not me who is written it, Ocean does not have this luxury though.

 

[Pl@y3r]

Besides, given Nami's porn habits, if I were Noji I'd be worried about her weird relationships ALL.THE.TIME.

Does Nami's porn habits still is in game ?beyond the face sitting thing ?

Yep, Nami's still a weirdo.
n "Let's watch a porno."
n "I can either give you a very long speech about why we're gonna watch a porno, or you save us both some time and we just watch a porno."

 

[BobTheDuck]

You say that it is necessary to suspend theorization? you are not asking too much?
As for the examples you give to have hope... it is not at all comparable, here there are no books or original trilogies in which to rest if the story told in the games changes until it disappears.

...you got me I am trying to be open minded about it though rather than pretend there is no spoon. Regards Star Wars, I'd love the script for the last film that was abandoned, but we got what we got. The question is whether I can measure something on it's own merits rather than against my hopes and expectations: is it enjoyable, or am I resenting it for mot meeting my expectations? I think that for me is a valid approach.

Was talking about the "special porn", that I think was cut.

Yeah, but is Leia still a LI ? and if she is, how does it future proof anything ? If she is not, you killed the heart of the story.
Don't get me wrong, it still can be a good story, I am not making judgments yet. But it will be a lesser story only because it will lack a logical sense to its development. I really can not think of a good enough reason beyond the obvius answer, that is fine, is not me who is written it, Ocean does not have this luxury though.

I'd not trust Nami to chose porn for me still. She keeps a roll of toilet paper near her computer and puts it near her bread rolls

I can't answer those questions, and I don't think anyone other than Ocean can. What it will be missing is our expectations, and it is up to Ocean to make sure that whatever change he does is compelling enough for us to keep playing. Either way, it won't affect SG in the same way for obvious reasons.

 

[vampires69'in]

The answer is we do not know for sure yet. So far Ocean has provided no clarity regarding their relationship but he has decided to future-proof both his games to ensure he won't face issues with publishers and music license holders. So yeah, expect them to NOT be related moving forward.

Personally I think it's pretty clear to anyone with half a brain that whether you play with or without a patch, the story and dialogue only makes any sense if they are siblings or half siblings.

 

[Krytax123]

Yep, Nami's still a weirdo.

n "Asshole!"
n "You swore, you wouldn't tell her I rented Spank Canyon 4!"
scene s51 with dssa
d "No? I said I'd hint at it to make you uncomfortable."

n "I bet she has a secret trapdoor to a sex dungeon."

n "Let's watch a porno."
n "I can either give you a very long speech about why we're gonna watch a porno, or you save us both some time and we just watch a porno."

Regards WiaB, Leia and William are not just good friends. The change clearly states that. What that means for the rest of the game and the universe is something else. I guess my thoughts with both games, is, can we leave our preconceptions and what we once believed aside to see waht the change actually does to the plot? If the characters are engaging and the dramas feel consequential, maybe it'll still be an excellent game, even if it's not the one we'd hoped. I mean, heck Star Wars did me dirty after the first three movies, LotR pissed me off and I loved it anyway. I'm going to suspend my judgement until I can actually play through the change and see what it's like.

I mean both can (and hopefully will be) awesome avns but its not really preconceptions, it was just the story until it suddenly wasnt anymore.

I think even making Helen not a LI (sorry milf lovers) and Katie a neighboor would have been a better solution than William (and Leia) not being Zane's. As of now its just too confusing, everything is in a unexplained mumbo jumbo while we are supposed to understand why William feel any attachment at all to these Zane people and goes back to wollust in the first place.

If its not his family (and hes not even adopted) the whole premise is kinda moot, isnt it? That kinda frustates me, not gonna lie and the Nika and Nami situation is similarly nonsensical.

And im not even into incest and dont even want to think about how the incest lovers feel about that

And i Leia is somehow still williams twin .. despite all changes ... i just dont get it

Was talking about the "special porn", that I think was cut.

Yeah, but is Leia still a LI ? and if she is, how does it future proof anything ? If she is not, you killed the heart of the story.
Don't get me wrong, it still can be a good story, I am not making judgments yet. But it will be a lesser story only because it will lack a logical sense to its development. I really can not think of a good enough reason beyond the obvius answer, that is fine, is not me who is written it, Ocean does not have this luxury though.

Havent thought about Leia losing the LI status and think (hope) thats not the case but it would make a lot of things for ocean easier i guess. And im afraid i possibly agree, it feels like the story lost the foundation everything was carefully build on.

I just really hope Ocean has this amazing awesome idea and plan how all of these strange developments lead to a satisfying solution but i feel like he should have just started with non-incest games from the beginning ...

 

[vampires69'in]

Nojiko is only landlady part will never make any sense you can't take care of two 12 and 13 year olds and not have any papers for it. And he will never fix it because then romance with Nami is illegal on patreon so that's already a mistake you will never get rid of

I've said it before...ain't no fucking "landlady" paying for any tenants fees for psychological care...or anything. Or this....
No land lady does this for a tenant...she'd be asking him if he has money for rent

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I've said it before...ain't no fucking "landlady" paying for any tenants fees for psychological care...or anything. Or this.... View attachment 4160226
No land lady does this for a tenant...she'd be asking him if he has money for rent

 

[codex35]

The thing is there are multiple instances of dialogue that make no sense whatsoever in any other context. The example I always provide because it stands out is Mila and Zara asking the MC why Nami is a redhead. Why in the fuck would they EVER ask that if they weren't related? There is no reason to. Makes no logical sense to.

If you pay little to no attention to what is said then I would understand how the unpatched version makes sense to you but otherwise...

Maybe Mila and Zara don't know that they are adopted.

 

[LHDLLB]

...you got me I am trying to be open minded about it though rather than pretend there is no spoon. Regards Star Wars, I'd love the script for the last film that was abandoned, but we got what we got. The question is whether I can measure something on it's own merits rather than against my hopes and expectations: is it enjoyable, or am I resenting it for mot meeting my expectations? I think that for me is a valid approach.



I'd not trust Nami to chose porn for me still. She keeps a roll of toilet paper near her computer and puts it near her bread rolls

I can't answer those questions, and I don't think anyone other than Ocean can. What it will be missing is our expectations, and it is up to Ocean to make sure that whatever change he does is compelling enough for us to keep playing. Either way, it won't affect SG in the same way for obvious reasons.

Nonsense, I would watch porn with Nami any day of the week. Would not eat no rolls though.

Oh I know, is not like I am hoping that anyone here can do that. Was just saying that is not a easy thing what Ocean is trying to do, change the story midway through. I hope he can pull it off, I am just a bit more skeptical, I think that eitherway there are gonna be holes and gaps in the reasoning of things, and that will bring the story down a little, even if for no fault of his own.

Havent thought about Leia losing the LI status and think (hope) thats not the case but it would make a lot of things for ocean easier i guess. And im afraid i possibly agree, it feels like the story lost the foundation everything was carefully build on.

I just really hope Ocean has this amazing awesome idea and plan how all of these strange developments lead to a satisfying solution but i feel like he should have just started with non-incest games from the beginning ...

We don't know, I don't think that we would get pepperoni nipples if she is not a LI, but if she is, I don't see how it can be bulletproof anything and the other changes is a lot harder to explain.Also Leia and william relationship are the centre of the story, is hard imagine the story with out it.

I hope so too, I am just less sure that this idea even exist. It would be a lot more easier, but the stories are from 2018/2019, it was a whole different world back then, way less censorship and almost all AVNs had IC content, would not surprise me if Ocean was just riding the wave when creating the stories and now has to paint anew over a old foundation

 

[Ray_D]

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And Nami knows her place in porn.

 

[vampires69'in]

And Nami knows her place in porn.
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There is only one cuckqueen, and she has THE ASS OF A GIANT!!!, and a tiny head with duck lips that has her man impregnate others.....can't outcuck that

 

[dameromexxx]

We don't know, I don't think that we would get pepperoni nipples if she is not a LI

Leia can still have sex with other men. Ocean hasn't introduced any larger scale renderings of events happening outside the presence of the protoganist, but we've already had some glimpses like meanwhile at Bella while going to Vic.
Sasha's photoshoot could be another example, I still don't see why Nika would be invited there
besides, William can always spy on her or even be forced to watch her by the infamous antigonist

 

[AlexFXR]

And Nami knows her place in porn.
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[RNasc4444]

Maybe Mila and Zara don't know that they are adopted.

That's not plausible though. Nojiko is asian. They would have to be pretty goddamn slow in the head not to suss that out on their own. When Bella asks him if he's asian she's doing so mockingly and sarcastically. She is basically asking "what's up with the asian mom thing?" in a manner that befits her character.

Also it's not plausible that after a couple of weeks of College they wouldn't have told their friends what the nature of their relationship is. They are very close, they live together but look nothing alike...people would have assumed and people would have asked.

But all of this just points out the level of absurdity that with the first season finished we still have no fucking clue whatsoever what the nature of their relationship is. Because everything we are told in the game contradicts itself. It's like a fucking riddle:

"The MC is not related to me. But we have lived together since childhood. We are very close but cannot ever fuck cuz that would be wrong. Who am I?" - NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS BECAUSE IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!

Unless the MC and Nami are like genetic clones or something like that.. Maybe that's why the raccoon was running from the lab...they were conducting genetic experiments...hmmmm...

 

[LHDLLB]

There is only one cuckqueen, and she has THE ASS OF A GIANT!!!, and a tiny head with duck lips that has her man impregnate others.....can't outcuck that

And who is that ? Vic ?