I wouldn't call Ocean a milker since there are other dev that are far more deserving of the milker title. There's a difference between a long development time and milking. SG season 2 chapter 1 is supposed to have 6-7 thousand renders and a major cut scenes when it released. If you want example of milking go look at the devs of Hearts Problem and Radiant. Those are devs that are milking their subs dry.
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I think this is a case where Bella is pretending to want a 'no commitment' type of relationship in order to seem cool and aloof. I think she really thinks the opposite. I love how she softens and smiles at the MC when she thinks he's not looking. That's my biggest piece of evidence, besides the fact that she's loving everything that she does with him so far.
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Right????? I mean who needs names when you can just cherry pick to see what happens with your favourites renders right??? JUst press H the text blocks important things!
Look, I don't reply to you because we'll just argue and no one needs to read that. But:Smart developers don't count on luck with donors, because they know that their trust must be earned.
Success is inevitable if Ocean works and stops lying and cheating. But if nothing changes, the game will exist for 3 years at best.
You do know that trolling is based on lies? And Ocean's theft and deception is a fact that anyone can verify, which means I can't be a troll by definition. Are you trying so hard to cover for Ocean that it seems like he's paying you to do it, or you just like kissing his ass?
- Ocean would probably be a millionaire if he included lewd scenes. But maybe not. WiaB has sex, and he's not a millionaire yet, in fact, the novel with no sex (SG) outperforms and is more popular than the one with sex (WiaB), even before the patreon issue with WiaB. Ocean's stories don't appeal to everyone, success isn't guaranteed, or everyone would be successful.
- For Ocean to be lying or deceiving his patreons, he has to intentionally screw them over. He's not. He's screwing himself over when he misses deadlines. He doesn't want that. You can't definitively guess Ocean's intentions. He keeps reinvesting money into development and we can see that his renders are getting far better. If he gets this new chapter done before May next year, it will be his fastest development cycle yet. Oceans biggest problem is expectations, and missing his self set deadlines. On the positive side, he tries to avoid releasing a hamfisted update just to meet a deadline.
- The only proof of failure is Ocean not delivering. While the patreons provide him with the support he needs to continue, while steam sales provide revenue, Ocean will keep making. He had his best financial year over the last update - the trajectory is increasing with all his revenue streams. Stats show over 100K for Steam sales (before steam fees I guess), not including Epic or GOG. That's far more than his patreon.
- But really, if you want Ocean to succeed and you want to see SG develop faster, why do you do your best to assasinate Ocean's character? It serves nothing. You still have never said what you actually like about this game that you keep replying in the thread. What about the game do you like currently? (It's okay if you say Katie).
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Maybe so, but we were discussing something a little different here. Why do you say that SG is a novel without sex? It was there and you know it very well, it was just removed and notice, when there was sex there were very few dissatisfied people, they started appearing after Ocean cut out all the adult scenes.
On the one hand, you write that Ocean doesn't deceive anyone and he's almost a saint. On the other hand, Ocean's Patreon donors write a bunch of obscene words about him. So who's right?
Donators say that Ocean promised to release a big update before the end of the year, I don't remember exactly 7000-8000 renders. Moreover, in almost every log, Ocean wrote what a great guy he is and how well and hard he works. In the end, it turned out that Patreons gave an average of more than $70,000 after the release of the last SG update, and they did not receive the promised update that was supposed to be released before the end of the year. Isn't that a scam? If Ocean were an honest guy, he would say that he decided to take a rest this year and not make games. He would not have received donations, but no one would have called him a milker, etc. Instead, he started lying and making up ridiculous excuses, like that he does 25-40 renders per night. Although Ocean previously wrote that 2x3090 does 1 render in 4.5 minutes (in addition, he has 4 more powerful video cards). You don't have to be a great mathematician to make a simple calculation that will show that Ocean's words are a lie. I won't write the rest, I've already done it before.
These arguments of Patreons are clear to me, they are logical and have justifications. When you express your point of view, you do not support your words with arguments, it looks like an attempt to justify Ocean. I also don't like the words of donors, but unfortunately they are true.
Here is my old message......
You've noticed correctly, Ocean really did have a successful year, but his fans who donated to him had the opposite.
It's all useless and nothing will change, hundreds of people wrote to him, but Ocean doesn't care. And if you ask uncomfortable questions in Discord, you'll just get banned.
P.S. I've already written many times what I like about this game, you just don't read carefully.
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Why don't you put that BMW guy on ignore like most of us already did? There's no sense in playing chess with a pigeon.
The pigeon will always traipse across the chessboard, knocking over all the pieces and strutting around like it's winning. It's not as if BMW guy is presenting new “arguments” here. He always says the same thing and when other users come up with better arguments or even facts, he distracts from the topic and doesn't even go into it. Just do yourself a favor and put him on the list. It's simply pointless with him.
Funny how a screenshot of a conversation from a year ago sparked arguments and complaints about release dates.
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I'll respond, because I did write to start with, but out of respect for other users I'll be brief:Maybe so, but we were discussing something a little different here. Why do you say that SG is a novel without sex? It was there and you know it very well, it was just removed and notice, when there was sex there were very few dissatisfied people, they started appearing after Ocean cut out all the adult scenes.
On the one hand, you write that Ocean doesn't deceive anyone and he's almost a saint. On the other hand, Ocean's Patreon donors write a bunch of obscene words about him. So who's right?
Donators say that Ocean promised to release a big update before the end of the year, I don't remember exactly 7000-8000 renders. Moreover, in almost every log, Ocean wrote what a great guy he is and how well and hard he works. In the end, it turned out that Patreons gave an average of more than $70,000 after the release of the last SG update, and they did not receive the promised update that was supposed to be released before the end of the year. Isn't that a scam? If Ocean were an honest guy, he would say that he decided to take a rest this year and not make games. He would not have received donations, but no one would have called him a milker, etc. Instead, he started lying and making up ridiculous excuses, like that he does 25-40 renders per night. Although Ocean previously wrote that 2x3090 does 1 render in 4.5 minutes (in addition, he has 4 more powerful video cards). You don't have to be a great mathematician to make a simple calculation that will show that Ocean's words are a lie. I won't write the rest, I've already done it before.
These arguments of Patreons are clear to me, they are logical and have justifications. When you express your point of view, you do not support your words with arguments, it looks like an attempt to justify Ocean. I also don't like the words of donors, but unfortunately they are true.
Here is my old message......
You've noticed correctly, Ocean really did have a successful year, but his fans who donated to him had the opposite.
It's all useless and nothing will change, hundreds of people wrote to him, but Ocean doesn't care. And if you ask uncomfortable questions in Discord, you'll just get banned.
P.S. I've already written many times what I like about this game, you just don't read carefully.
- SG is a game without sex right now, and it is making more money right now than WiaB. It is that simple. One render of real porn in old ch 2 before rework, a couple of limp non erect dicks, one short assjob is nothing compared to the amount of sex scenes in WiaB. SG has never had more sex scenes than WiaB. SG is still more popular.
- I am pointing out that if there's no intention to deceive, Ocean merely misses his deadlines and it is up to him to keep his patrons happy. I can't keep his patrons happy. It's not about being a saint or a demon. You are using words that make it malicious, when you can't prove Ocean's intent.
- Yes, Ocean said he was going to release S2Ch1 this year, it's probably in a devlog. Ocean misses deadlines and puts more renders in, it happens. Fact is that an update of that size is over half the size of season 1 which is 12000 renders. Season 1 was released in May, ljust short of 6 months ago. Call up whatever numbers you like, but Ocean released Ch5 Beta last November, and the full season 1 with a reworked <2000 renders in May. There was already an SG update this year. Your numbers seem pretty outlandish if you think Ocean has recieved $70000 from patrons since May when Season 1 was released.
- The video card talk bores people. If you can't tell the difference, well, other people are getting more enjoyment from Ocean's new cards than you are, that's fine.
- Your arguments are just that. Why I asked what you like about SG is that you have repeated these arguments so much the entire thread could quote you with their eyes closed. You still avoid telling us what you like. That tells everyone what they need to know about your posts. You like repeating yourself about video cards and milking, why not about what you like?
You can have the last word if you want, it's fine.
His rehabilitation is going poorly, I admit.... lol.
Alex is an extraordinary troll-hater, but I enjoy teasing him from time to time just for fun.
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all i know is i am ready for some summers gone even if we dont care about summer anymore lets f'ing goooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Stop the press oceans is not gonna to hit a date about update at the end of year look could it still happen sure but given his track record with dates not holding my breath or gonna get upset about it updates for both his vn are gonna to take around a year for updates to come out far as for patron who people support is their business it's their money stop worrying about it
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I came back here after a long time and I'm confused... does S1 have Ch5 Beta + More content or...? or how many chapters in S1?
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Season 1 is all the currently published content for SG, you only need Season 1. Mods for Ch5 Beta will NOT work for Season 1.
Some people don't like some of the changes from Ch4.5 or Ch5 Beta to Season 1, so they recommend different mods. But there is no guarantee that a save from a modded game will export properly to Season 2. If you have a copy of Ch4.5, you can always go and see the different content from before the rework, but if you don't remember it, just play Season 1 and don't worry.
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Nah, the Season One has the same content in Ch5 as CH5Beta. What is changed: ~2000 brand new renders in CH2 to replace the old part from the moment when MC has to decide whether to break into the Holgersons' house with Bella or stay at home. And a few changed renders here and there in CH3, 3.5.
Sounds like ocean is doing good when this many customers (hundreds ) wrote him about this avn! The game is getting more and more traction thanks to people like our bmw guy!
) wrote him about this avn! The game is getting more and more traction thanks to people like our bmw guy!
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Thank you. I will just try the S1 without any mods. Let's see how it is I've forgotten most of the story anyways
Oh okay thank you. just wanted to know If I'll be missing out on smth if I download any of either versions. I'll go with S1
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Maybe it's fun for you, but the rest of us just don't want to see this...
...every time. Think about the others too and help us keeping the thread clean. That would be much appreciated. Nobody has to endure trolls and because the mods don't give a fudge, we have to do it ourselves.
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I know that, but why did you start writing about sex? It seems like no one has touched on this topic.
Of course there is an intention to deceive, which Ocean demonstrated in his logs, I even wrote this especially for you in the previous answer. From the very beginning, he did not plan to make these renders this year, he simply deceived fans by pumping money out of them. How do we know this? From his logs. How many renders did he make in 5 months? The correct answer is more than 2000. Why did his work speed drop more than 2 times, what is the reason for this slowdown? There are no reasons. He constantly wrote in the logs how productively he works. So how do you explain this deception and the 2-fold drop in work speed? You can't justify it in any way. Moreover, this explains well the reason why Ocean did not indicate the amount of work done in his logs, he only wrote about taxes and all sorts of crap.
Yes, this happens, but it doesn't explain the reason why Ocean made 2000 renders when it should have made more than 5000.
The problem is not the numbers, but that you read poorly... I didn't say anything about May.
I write about everything, but for some reason you remembered my words about milking and video cards, apparently they interest you more than my preference in games, which I wrote earlier. Although this is not surprising, because you always justify any dirty deed of Ocean, even deception you try to present as a random event. Only he has too many of these random events.
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