RNasc4444

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i wouldnt say he milks his fans cause they throw money at him . which is everyones choice
Imagine if he actually added some sex scenes. He could be getting 3x the money easy. Braindead people are easily parted with their money. Just yesterday on the other game's thread there was a dude who apparently played through all of SG and didn't even notice Katie makes an appearance. You have to be playing with what little brain you have completely turned off, no? Now multiply him by the thousands. You wouldn't give a child a Dostoiévski novel, but if you give them a picture book they will have the time of their life :ROFLMAO:

also he is working on 2 of the best VN's and every update is normally huge.. lots of play time. but yes it does get fustrating because they are both so good lol
 

alanrock

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Here you are wrong. The fans give money for the development of SG, and not because Ocean has a beautiful smile and honest eyes. If you were right, the fans would be happy now, and would not curse Ocean and call him a liar. If you did not understand, then we are not talking about fans like you and me who get games for free, but about those who pay money. You can check on Patreon, people have started leaving Ocean again.
Which people are leaving his Patreon, and why do you always lie ?!... lol.
 

AlexFXR

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If this is called milking, what exactly are other AVN devs doing?
We need to come up with new terminology.
Of course there are scammers on Patreon who milk their fans. But Ocean doesn't consider himself a scammer, he wants to be one of the best developers of games like DPC. And he would have achieved this without any problems if he hadn't broken the rules that can't be broken.

Why change the terminology? Other developers also promise to release a game by the end of the year, but instead do nothing and take fans' money? This fits the term "Milking", nothing to change.
 

alanrock

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Of course there are scammers on Patreon who milk their fans. But Ocean doesn't consider himself a scammer, he wants to be one of the best developers of games like DPC. And he would have achieved this without any problems if he hadn't broken the rules that can't be broken.

Why change the terminology? Other developers also promise to release a game by the end of the year, but instead do nothing and take fans' money? This fits the term "Milking", nothing to change.
DPC earns millions while doing the same amount or even less work than Ocean. You must be one of his devoted fans...lol

Others earn ten times more than Ocean by releasing 300 render updates every three years, and yet you’ve chosen this thread as your regular spot for trolling.
 

yossa999

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Imagine if he actually added some sex scenes. He could be getting 3x the money easy. Braindead people are easily parted with their money. Just yesterday on the other game's thread there was a dude who apparently played through all of SG and didn't even notice Katie makes an appearance. You have to be playing with what little brain you have completely turned off, no? Now multiply him by the thousands. You wouldn't give a child a Dostoiévski novel, but if you give them a picture book they will have the time of their life :ROFLMAO:


At first you crack jokes when I say that the Ocean's games probably have the best writing that AVN genre has to offer. However, when I say this, I don't mean the greatness of his genius :Kappa:, but rather the poverty of the entire AVN genre in terms of plots and scenarios. (Although it's unfair to demand anything more from a mutant scion borned from incest of comics, sitcoms and adventure computer games from the 90s)

And now you compare it to Dostoevsky. Fuck, that's too much even for me. :KEK:
 

alanrock

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Here are Ocean's stats for the last month. So who's the liar now?:KEK:
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At the release of Season 1, he had around 1500 Patrons, and now he has about 1300, which is still quite good.
Stop talking nonsense and pray for more Bella scenes in Season 2, you ungrateful pirate.
 

AlexFXR

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DPC earns millions while doing the same amount or even less work than Ocean. You must be one of his devoted fans...lol
Others earn ten times more than Ocean by releasing 300 render updates every three years
If Ocean hadn't deceived his fans and cheated them out of money, he would have become a millionaire too.
and yet you’ve chosen this thread as your regular spot for trolling.
You don't care about the theft and the fraud and the people who get cheated, but for some reason you care about it being told when you're trying to hide it. Why are you trying to justify Ocean's bad behavior?
 
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alanrock

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If Ocean hadn't deceived his fans and cheated them out of money, he would have become a millionaire too.
Most of these devs are lucky to have around 500 donors.
Ocean's success is imminent. You gotta learn to live with that.
You don't care about the theft and the fraud and the people who get cheated, but for some reason you care about it being told when you're trying to hide it. Why are you trying to justify Ocean's bad behavior?
The only bad thing here is your trolling skills.
Try harder, Inmate.
 

AlexFXR

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Most of these devs are lucky to have around 500 donors.
Ocean's success is imminent. You gotta learn to live with that.
Smart developers don't count on luck with donors, because they know that their trust must be earned.
Success is inevitable if Ocean works and stops lying and cheating. But if nothing changes, the game will exist for 3 years at best.

The only bad thing here is your trolling skills.
Try harder, Inmate.
You do know that trolling is based on lies? And Ocean's theft and deception is a fact that anyone can verify, which means I can't be a troll by definition. Are you trying so hard to cover for Ocean that it seems like he's paying you to do it, or you just like kissing his ass? :KEK:
 
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RNasc4444

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At first you crack jokes when I say that the Ocean's games probably have the best writing that AVN genre has to offer. However, when I say this, I don't mean the greatness of his genius :Kappa:, but rather the poverty of the entire AVN genre in terms of plots and scenarios. (Although it's unfair to demand anything more from a mutant scion borned from incest of comics, sitcoms and adventure computer games from the 90s)

And now you compare it to Dostoevsky. Fuck, that's too much even for me. :KEK:
I was just illustrating my point. (pun absolutely intended! :LOL: )

My comment was more a critique of the majority of the people who play these AVN's than the quality of Ocean's games. Which btw I agree with you it's way above that of the average AVN.

It actually fucking triggered me, reading that comment on the other thread. It also sadly dawned on me why the reviews are so high for both SG and WiAB. Most players don't care that much about plot or story or even the emotional depth of an AVN. They just like pretty renders and spicy scenes. "FuCK stOrYtELliNG OR commOn seNse, can I HAs mY NaKED ladIeS plEASE?"

It's actually sad...

I mean seriously how in the ever loving fuck do you miss the introduction of Katie!?!?!?! She's just the character that connects both games and binds the universes together!?!?!? How afk must your brain be? Do you even read any text at all?
 

alanrock

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Smart developers don't count on luck with donors, because they know that their trust must be earned.
Success is inevitable if Ocean works and stops lying and cheating. But if nothing changes, the game will exist for 3 years at best.


You do know that trolling is based on lies? And Ocean's theft and deception is a fact that anyone can verify, which means I can't be a troll by definition. Are you trying so hard to cover for Ocean that it seems like he's paying you to do it, or you just like kissing his ass? :KEK:
You cry too much. Have some dignity, Inmate.
 
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The SG Dev Log will be released in a few hours, together with the first full set.

The Bella set (Seraphic Decay) will be the first one to be released. I'm currently replacing two of the renders as they aren't up to my standard.

Every set has around 8 - 11 renders. Half of them are in a fantasy world like you see on the cover.

The other half plays in the "real world" and shows what it might look like if you two left the party together and you're now at your/her place.

The plan was to release them all on Halloween, but I started too late, 3 days ago to be exact. Creating ~50 Wallpaper-level renders along with my daily render quota for the game might not have been the smartest move, but it was fun.

I also woke up an hour ago. My sleep schedule is now where it belongs... IN THE BIN!

Worth it. I came up with some cool sets.

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I wouldn't call Ocean a milker since there are other dev that are far more deserving of the milker title. There's a difference between a long development time and milking. SG season 2 chapter 1 is supposed to have 6-7 thousand renders and a major cut scenes when it released. If you want example of milking go look at the devs of Hearts Problem and Radiant. Those are devs that are milking their subs dry.
 

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I think this is a case where Bella is pretending to want a 'no commitment' type of relationship in order to seem cool and aloof. I think she really thinks the opposite. I love how she softens and smiles at the MC when she thinks he's not looking. That's my biggest piece of evidence, besides the fact that she's loving everything that she does with him so far.
 
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I mean seriously how in the ever loving fuck do you miss the introduction of Katie!?!?!?! She's just the character that connects both games and binds the universes together!?!?!? How afk must your brain be? Do you even read any text at all?
Right????? I mean who needs names when you can just cherry pick to see what happens with your favourites renders right??? JUst press H the text blocks important things!

If Ocean hadn't deceived his fans and cheated them out of money, he would have become a millionaire too.

You don't care about the theft and the fraud and the people who get cheated, but for some reason you care about it being told when you're trying to hide it. Why are you trying to justify Ocean's bad behavior?
Smart developers don't count on luck with donors, because they know that their trust must be earned.
Success is inevitable if Ocean works and stops lying and cheating. But if nothing changes, the game will exist for 3 years at best.


You do know that trolling is based on lies? And Ocean's theft and deception is a fact that anyone can verify, which means I can't be a troll by definition. Are you trying so hard to cover for Ocean that it seems like he's paying you to do it, or you just like kissing his ass? :KEK:
Look, I don't reply to you because we'll just argue and no one needs to read that. But:

- Ocean would probably be a millionaire if he included lewd scenes. But maybe not. WiaB has sex, and he's not a millionaire yet, in fact, the novel with no sex (SG) outperforms and is more popular than the one with sex (WiaB), even before the patreon issue with WiaB. Ocean's stories don't appeal to everyone, success isn't guaranteed, or everyone would be successful.

- For Ocean to be lying or deceiving his patreons, he has to intentionally screw them over. He's not. He's screwing himself over when he misses deadlines. He doesn't want that. You can't definitively guess Ocean's intentions. He keeps reinvesting money into development and we can see that his renders are getting far better. If he gets this new chapter done before May next year, it will be his fastest development cycle yet. Oceans biggest problem is expectations, and missing his self set deadlines. On the positive side, he tries to avoid releasing a hamfisted update just to meet a deadline.

- The only proof of failure is Ocean not delivering. While the patreons provide him with the support he needs to continue, while steam sales provide revenue, Ocean will keep making. He had his best financial year over the last update - the trajectory is increasing with all his revenue streams. Stats show over 100K for Steam sales (before steam fees I guess), not including Epic or GOG. That's far more than his patreon.

- But really, if you want Ocean to succeed and you want to see SG develop faster, why do you do your best to assasinate Ocean's character? It serves nothing. You still have never said what you actually like about this game that you keep replying in the thread. What about the game do you like currently? (It's okay if you say Katie).
 

AlexFXR

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- Ocean would probably be a millionaire if he included lewd scenes. But maybe not. WiaB has sex, and he's not a millionaire yet, in fact, the novel with no sex (SG) outperforms and is more popular than the one with sex (WiaB), even before the patreon issue with WiaB.
Maybe so, but we were discussing something a little different here. Why do you say that SG is a novel without sex? It was there and you know it very well, it was just removed and notice, when there was sex there were very few dissatisfied people, they started appearing after Ocean cut out all the adult scenes.

- For Ocean to be lying or deceiving his patreons, he has to intentionally screw them over. He's not.
On the one hand, you write that Ocean doesn't deceive anyone and he's almost a saint. On the other hand, Ocean's Patreon donors write a bunch of obscene words about him. So who's right?

Donators say that Ocean promised to release a big update before the end of the year, I don't remember exactly 7000-8000 renders. Moreover, in almost every log, Ocean wrote what a great guy he is and how well and hard he works. In the end, it turned out that Patreons gave an average of more than $70,000 after the release of the last SG update, and they did not receive the promised update that was supposed to be released before the end of the year. Isn't that a scam? If Ocean were an honest guy, he would say that he decided to take a rest this year and not make games. He would not have received donations, but no one would have called him a milker, etc. Instead, he started lying and making up ridiculous excuses, like that he does 25-40 renders per night. Although Ocean previously wrote that 2x3090 does 1 render in 4.5 minutes (in addition, he has 4 more powerful video cards). You don't have to be a great mathematician to make a simple calculation that will show that Ocean's words are a lie. I won't write the rest, I've already done it before.

These arguments of Patreons are clear to me, they are logical and have justifications. When you express your point of view, you do not support your words with arguments, it looks like an attempt to justify Ocean. I also don't like the words of donors, but unfortunately they are true.
He keeps reinvesting money into development and we can see that his renders are getting far better.
Here is my old message......
I don't think the old renders are bad, especially since Ocean used to do better lighting, and in the new renders you can see that he's slacking off.
Old renders...
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Of course, I can still throw in a bunch of new renders, like in the robbery, where it’s dark and you can’t see a damn thing.
He had his best financial year over the last update - the trajectory is increasing with all his revenue streams. Stats show over 100K for Steam sales
You've noticed correctly, Ocean really did have a successful year, but his fans who donated to him had the opposite. :HideThePain:
- But really, if you want Ocean to succeed and you want to see SG develop faster, why do you do your best to assasinate Ocean's character? It serves nothing. You still have never said what you actually like about this game that you keep replying in the thread.
It's all useless and nothing will change, hundreds of people wrote to him, but Ocean doesn't care. And if you ask uncomfortable questions in Discord, you'll just get banned.

P.S. I've already written many times what I like about this game, you just don't read carefully.
 
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