VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[yossa999]

To be fair, as someone who used to be "the guy that built it" a lifetime ago, I can attest that these things do happen. But not by me, nooooooo... I've never done it myself. That's the story and I'm sticking to it, despite other people's so-called evidence otherwise! I live in my own alternate reality with my own alternate facts!

But I have to say, it's beginning to feel more and more like the world is conspiring against Ocean to work on the games. The amount of major and minor obstacles encountered is not exactly run of the mill.

Bro, seriously? Developers disappear for months and then come back like nothing happened.

Dude wrote to HIS SUPPORTERS about a fucking WEEK delay in the delivery of the workstation he ordered and maybe another DAY OR TWO due to the idiocy of the order pickers. With more than justified concerns about voiding the warranty (on hardware worth > 10k euros) if he uses non-original parts.

With a year or more to develop an update! 10 days and a year! That's a fucking statistical error!

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How are his inner workings even relevant to random passengers on forums who made a fuss as if he personally promised them marriage and left them at the altar. Well, don't you think that's funny? I think it's very funny.

 

[Landro2340]

Anime? That could make a pretty decent AVN.
Imagine if he started developping a 3rd game alongside WiAB and SG. A game about an AVN developper that goes to the gym and likes round women with gigantic tits. This dev's dream is to put his games on Steam so he has to grovel at their feet in order to publish his games. But a million things go wrong with the development and he has to navigate all these obstacles while simultaneously getting fucked in the ass by the exorbitant taxes of his country of residence

I'd tune in for that. Would love to see the Blender Arc come to life. All the ordeals with his friend's gf. Would be sick!

As long as there ain't no reworks I'm game. Open up the Patreon Ocean.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Bro, seriously? Developers disappear for months and then come back like nothing happened.

Dude wrote to HIS SUPPORTERS about a fucking WEEK delay in the delivery of the workstation he ordered and maybe another DAY OR TWO due to the idiocy of the order pickers. With more than justified concerns about voiding the warranty (on hardware worth > 10k euros) if he uses non-original parts.

With a year or more to develop an update! 10 days and a year! That's a fucking statistical error!

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How are his inner workings even relevant to random passengers on forums who made a fuss as if he personally promised them marriage and left them at the altar. Well, don't you think that's funny? I think it's very funny.

Bro, seriously? Re-read what I wrote. I challenge you to find a single word I wrote that says Ocean is lying/milking/whatever negative terms you thought I wrote.

 

[yossa999]

Bro, seriously? Re-read what I wrote. I challenge you to find a single word I wrote that says Ocean is lying/milking/whatever negative terms you thought I wrote.

Yeah, did re-read, bad wording, it sounded like I was talking about you and blaming you, but really I just wanted to use your post as a springboard for my own.

 

[AlexFXR]

Bro, seriously? Developers disappear for months and then come back like nothing happened.

You seem to be trying to protect Ocean, but by comparing him to the worst developers who disappear for months you put them on the same level and make Ocean one of the worst. Not a very good defense in my opinion.

 

[Winterstale]

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... anyway thanks for the repost

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[Allenebs]

Bro, seriously? Developers disappear for months and then come back like nothing happened.

Dude wrote to HIS SUPPORTERS about a fucking WEEK delay in the delivery of the workstation he ordered and maybe another DAY OR TWO due to the idiocy of the order pickers. With more than justified concerns about voiding the warranty (on hardware worth > 10k euros) if he uses non-original parts.

With a year or more to develop an update! 10 days and a year! That's a fucking statistical error!

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How are his inner workings even relevant to random passengers on forums who made a fuss as if he personally promised them marriage and left them at the altar. Well, don't you think that's funny? I think it's very funny.

Personally, when I'm hardware shopping the second thing I look at is the warranty. I extensively modify my hardware and if that is going to void my warranty, I won't buy their product. And I can guaranty you, even at Ocean's scale of hardware, such warranties exist. So I'd hope that he learns from such events and acts in a manner to prevent such delays from reoccurring.

<Edited to add that the reason myself and most of my coworkers have since got so heavily involved in various mod scenes is bc of our experience on the industrial level. Our company uses heavily modified equipment originally designed for medical use and completely modified them for our own purposes bc such machines simply do NOT exist. Simply, as in all things, you get what you pay for.>

There is too much whining about some games taking too long between updates. Yet there are many fair complaints. There are a billion excuses that we're given and every single one of them should be incorporated into the planned release schedule. And the most egregious cases always come from these full-time devs. And these devs need to start paying attention bc there are a lot of new devs on the come-up releasing similar quality of content in significantly less time. At one point guys like DPC and Ocean were so far ahead of the competition that there was no competition. We saw a surge during the pandemic, but now we're seeing the people that were inspired during that surge and many of them have shown actual talent.

 

[Capt_Kirk]

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[Capt_Kirk]

He should seriously think about a rock salt bath, this shit is not normal anymore.

 

[yossa999]

Personally, when I'm hardware shopping the second thing I look at is the warranty. [...]
Our company uses heavily modified equipment originally designed for medical use and completely modified them for our own purposes bc such machines simply do NOT exist. [...]

I can only suggest you to read the Ocean's dev log again.

Personally, I don't see how your examples of an individual or a large company that needs a customized hardware relate to him and his case of leasing the workstation to reduce his business costs. And frankly, I'm not very interested in discussing it, for the same reason as the part of the post below.

There is too much whining about some games taking too long between updates. Yet there are many fair complaints.

Although it's hopeless, I'll try to explain it as simply as possible.

Here is Ocean, who makes a game that I consider to be the best among AVNs. I can launch the game at any time and see with my own eyes the results of Ocean's work, what his experience, knowledge, work processes and hardware allowed him to create. I can open the latest dev log, which is posted regularly, and read about the current development status, plans, issues, and see previews of the upcoming release.

And there are you, and all the content that is available to me is your posts about how the Ocean does everything wrong and how he should do everything differently.

Forgive me, please, but I am probably inclined to trust the results and not someone's reasoning about how it should be.

There are a billion excuses that we're given and every single one of them should be incorporated into the planned release schedule.

Everything I really wanted to write in response to this does not pass my new non-aggression/tolerance filter.

Let me assure you that neither I nor my buddies on this site are in any way affiliated with that anonymous group of excuse recipients you refer as "we." So I have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm not discussing it.

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Advice for advice. Post all this on the Ocean's Discord, there is a suggestions channel.
Personally, I see only good in careful planning of work, strict release schedules and time/cost estimates. Maybe Ocean just doesn't know about it, and you will open his eyes and "we" will all benefit from it.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

In the end, there are different groups of people on this thread - these include:

$ supporters who can, at any time vote with their $ and stop supporting Ocean.

People here taking SG for free, then complaining about it.

I liken the second group to dumpster diving for food then complaining to the chef that you did not get the meal you wanted in a timely fashion/with the appetizers you desired/there was no wine served.

These can be legitimate complaints for someone who is actually Paying for the meal, and a legitimate reason to stop paying for food at this establishment if the chef is indeed not providing the meal and service promised by his establishment.

NO chef owes dumpster divers the meal of their choice/the table of their choosing/the wine they prefer/etc.

I am quite thankful that Ocean deleted his F95 account and is no longer wasting his time 'entertaining' the complaints of those here taking SG for free.

His time is better spent creating SG and WIAB.

For those here who simply want to find Something to complain about - have at it.

There will be a new Dev Log posted here in the next few days - I'm sure some of you will find Something to complain about in that Dev Log...

Shocking... I know...

Cheers!!

 

[Capt_Kirk]

In the end, there are different groups of people on this thread - these include:

$ supporters who can, at any time vote with their $ and stop supporting Ocean.

People here taking SG for free, then complaining about it.

I liken the second group to dumpster diving for food then complaining to the chef that you did not get the meal you wanted in a timely fashion/with the appetizers you desired/there was no wine served.

These can be legitimate complaints for someone who is actually Paying for the meal, and a legitimate reason to stop paying for food at this establishment if the chef is indeed not providing the meal and service promised by his establishment.

NO chef owes dumpster divers the meal of their choice/the table of their choosing/the wine they prefer/etc.

I am quite thankful that Ocean deleted his F95 account and is no longer wasting his time 'entertaining' the complaints of those here taking SG for free.

His time is better spent creating SG and WIAB.

For those here who simply want to find Something to complain about - have at it.

There will be a new Dev Log posted here in the next few days - I'm sure some of you will find Something to complain about in that Dev Log...

Shocking... I know...

Cheers!!

You forgot your group ! .
"the ones that like to complain about the complainers"

 

[Landro2340]

this thread is better than the actual game, with the dickriding you see here it sure makes up for the lack of scenes in the game.

 

[AvengersDoomsDay]

are thy making a new update this year?

 

[Pl@y3r]

Here is Ocean, who makes a game that I consider to be the best among AVNs.

People here taking SG for free, then complaining about it.

Your point being? If patrons choose to just stop supporting without complaining or keep supporting but say nothing and the only complaints come from pirates, are they automatically wrong just because they didn't pay, even if at least some of their complaints are valid and objective? Since when is what's right and wrong decided by money?

I liken the second group to dumpster diving for food then complaining to the chef that you did not get the meal you wanted in a timely fashion/with the appetizers you desired/there was no wine served.

Stupid comparison since dumpster divers should obviously have no expectations and definitely don't do that.

These can be legitimate complaints for someone who is actually Paying for the meal

This type of mentality... So if someone who lives on the street receives the same meal that someone just payed for, and complained about, with the chef realising they messed up, this person doesn't have the right to complain because they got the food for free right? Also the meal you pay for is not the same as the one you'd find in a dumpster and in SG's case both supporters and pirates get the same version...so again stupid comparison.

NO chef owes dumpster divers the meal of their choice/the table of their choosing/the wine they prefer/etc.

Who said they did?

I am quite thankful that Ocean deleted his F95 account and is no longer wasting his time 'entertaining' the complaints of those here taking SG for free.

Maybe just his official account. Also, someone wrote here some time ago how Ocean's discord is "cancer" when it comes to asking "inconvenient" questions with people getting banned. This thread seems no different, except for the banning part.

There will be a new Dev Log posted here in the next few days - I'm sure some of you will find Something to complain about in that Dev Log...

If the dev gives people reasons to complain then blame the dev not the people.

 

[yossa999]

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[BobTheDuck]

If the dev gives people reasons to complain then blame the dev not the people.

I mean, all of us suck at some point. How many people here are filled with righteous idignation that Ocean is missing a cable? Fuck it, Ocean just wants to open the workstation boxes and dive into his nerd heaven that he'll be paying off for a while, and people are thinking it's a conspiracy.

Dude just wants his cable that he'll be paying off with the rest.

Find a game to pass time if your balls are so blue

 

[LHDLLB]

Ocean is Ocean and any discussion over his ethics, work, weakeness, shortcomings and bad luck is pointless as he is not a member of this site and can not hear them. I find the discussion of the game much more interesting than its Dev. So, as we are heading to the later stages of development what are you guys predictions of what we may see ? As well as your expectations ? I am really looking forward a Nojiko talk and Ayua sparing session.

 

[slackster]

Odds on the data transfer to the new workstation goes catastrophically wrong?

 

[imagica]

Nah, I really don't think so. Does not make sense and in truth hurts his image.

What image? His image is hurt as it is.

In case he finds any issue they still can argue with him cause with no warranty he can`t do shit. If he is so carefull why use B2B in the first place...