VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Pl@y3r]

Here is Ocean, who makes a game that I consider to be the best among AVNs.

People here taking SG for free, then complaining about it.

Your point being? If patrons choose to just stop supporting without complaining or keep supporting but say nothing and the only complaints come from pirates, are they automatically wrong just because they didn't pay, even if at least some of their complaints are valid and objective? Since when is what's right and wrong decided by money?

I liken the second group to dumpster diving for food then complaining to the chef that you did not get the meal you wanted in a timely fashion/with the appetizers you desired/there was no wine served.

Stupid comparison since dumpster divers should obviously have no expectations and definitely don't do that.

These can be legitimate complaints for someone who is actually Paying for the meal

This type of mentality... So if someone who lives on the street receives the same meal that someone just payed for, and complained about, with the chef realising they messed up, this person doesn't have the right to complain because they got the food for free right? Also the meal you pay for is not the same as the one you'd find in a dumpster and in SG's case both supporters and pirates get the same version...so again stupid comparison.

NO chef owes dumpster divers the meal of their choice/the table of their choosing/the wine they prefer/etc.

Who said they did?

I am quite thankful that Ocean deleted his F95 account and is no longer wasting his time 'entertaining' the complaints of those here taking SG for free.

Maybe just his official account. Also, someone wrote here some time ago how Ocean's discord is "cancer" when it comes to asking "inconvenient" questions with people getting banned. This thread seems no different, except for the banning part.

There will be a new Dev Log posted here in the next few days - I'm sure some of you will find Something to complain about in that Dev Log...

If the dev gives people reasons to complain then blame the dev not the people.

 

[yossa999]

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[BobTheDuck]

If the dev gives people reasons to complain then blame the dev not the people.

I mean, all of us suck at some point. How many people here are filled with righteous idignation that Ocean is missing a cable? Fuck it, Ocean just wants to open the workstation boxes and dive into his nerd heaven that he'll be paying off for a while, and people are thinking it's a conspiracy.

Dude just wants his cable that he'll be paying off with the rest.

Find a game to pass time if your balls are so blue

 

[LHDLLB]

Ocean is Ocean and any discussion over his ethics, work, weakeness, shortcomings and bad luck is pointless as he is not a member of this site and can not hear them. I find the discussion of the game much more interesting than its Dev. So, as we are heading to the later stages of development what are you guys predictions of what we may see ? As well as your expectations ? I am really looking forward a Nojiko talk and Ayua sparing session.

 

[slackster]

Odds on the data transfer to the new workstation goes catastrophically wrong?

 

[imagica]

Nah, I really don't think so. Does not make sense and in truth hurts his image.

What image? His image is hurt as it is.

In case he finds any issue they still can argue with him cause with no warranty he can`t do shit. If he is so carefull why use B2B in the first place...

 

[Pl@y3r]

How many people here are filled with righteous idignation that Ocean is missing a cable?

Who is?

Fuck it, Ocean just wants to open the workstation boxes and dive into his nerd heaven that he'll be paying off for a while, and people are thinking it's a conspiracy.

In Ocean's case it seems like he's either very unlucky or he's just trolling.

Find a game to pass time if your balls are so blue

Odds on the data transfer to the new workstation goes catastrophically wrong?

It's Ocean so I wouldn't be surprised.

he is not a member of this site

Are you sure about that?

I find the discussion of the game much more interesting than its Dev.

Me too.

what are you guys predictions of what we may see ?

Sexualized scenes with Nojiko for no reason...again.

As well as your expectations ?

-More LI paths opening, preferably the rest of them.
-Less screentime with LIs who Nika is not involved with
-Bella's sister waking up.
-Elsa and Nika talking about Summer.
-Nika finding Summer either with Emilio's help or through the Aurora app
-Marla helping Maja with Victoria
-The possibility to convince Nia to stop being a camgirl without being on her path
-More mystery involving Sasha, hers and Nami's earrings, her redhead friend
-Sonya moving in with Nika to "escape" her brothers
-Victoria to start walking again (though it may take a bit more time)
-Cindy becoming a LI
-Nika inviting Emilia over (once they get back home)...for a cup of tea
-Katie (which I also wouldn't mind becoming a LI) and Nika scenes with her telling him something important
-Nika finding out something about Katie/Nojiko/his parents at the book club
-less sports/training unless it's with Zara or another LI

 

[imagica]

Sexualized scenes with Nojiko for no reason...again.

Can't say no to that

 

[BobTheDuck]

-More LI paths opening, preferably the rest of them.
-Less screentime with LIs who Nika is not involved with
-Bella's sister waking up.
-Elsa and Nika talking about Summer.
-Nika finding Summer either with Emilio's help or through the Aurora app
-Marla helping Maja with Victoria
-The possibility to convince Nia to stop being a camgirl without being on her path
-More mystery involving Sasha, hers and Nami's earrings, her redhead friend
-Sonya moving in with Nika to "escape" her brothers
-Victoria to start walking again (though it may take a bit more time)
-Cindy becoming a LI
-Nika inviting Emilia over (once they get back home)...for a cup of tea
-Katie (which I also wouldn't mind becoming a LI) and Nika scenes with her telling him something important
-Nika finding out something about Katie/Nojiko/his parents at the book club
-less sports/training unless it's with Zara or another LI

This is a good list:
- there will likely be a couple of late LI paths Ocean will throw in a later season as disruptors, so undoubtably we won't get them all.
- all th LI's will have their canon screentime, they are not LI's just because they are single babes looking for a revived pocket rocket - they are LI's because of their role in the canon story. I imagine that we'll only get to skip the non canon parts. But as Ocean said on discord:

For years I have been saying that this isn't a dating sim. What girl gets how much screen time depends on where in the story we are

- which will be first to wake? Nika's PP or Bella's sister? I don't think it'll happen before Nika's cabin trip - Amber wouldn't leave town after comatose daughter wakes up after such a long time.
- or just searching. If Ocean puts her as accessible at this point, NIka's going to just drop everything and work out how to find her. As much as I don't like the idea of him finding Summer, if it happens, it'll be around season 4 once NIka's fully invested in a LI, and has the conflict of having given his virginity to someone other than Summer.
- Marla helping Maja and Vic? I like that idea. Never considered that angle - I don't know if it's on the cards, but this would be a great way for Marla to spend time around Nika without it seeming forced.
- Nia, as per Ocean on discord:

In Nia's case you can either choose to slowly get her out of working as a cam girl or encourage it and become a part of it.

But there's no indication you have to be on her path to discourage her.
- Yes, please - more steps deeper into the web of mysterious connections. And stalker cheeto is great.
- I can't see her family allowing that. My guess is those kinds of situations will take time to develop, maybe someone will leave the shared house as Sonya starts getting closer to Nika?
- Vic walkingI can't imagine before the end of Season 2 - it's also mean less of your great idea of Marla helping Maja care for Vic.
- I'd quote your second point I think she's only intended as lewdable, and possibly only via the tabletop games.
- Or Nika going to a gentlemen's club with her to find out things about Noji and about his past away from Noji's stare?
- I naturally think more Katie is good, but Katie's WiaB - why bother making so many other LI's only to have Katie block them all with her superiority?
- Yes, very likely. But later in the season. We're on the night after they got home to find rodents. I doubt the book club will meet again until the next Saturday at the soonest. Bar opening is on TUesday, and we won't get that in the next update.
- Looks like plenty of sports training renders with Zara. So far, what sports training renders haven't had Zara or a LI? Gym, Bella, or Sasha, or Nami/Nia, or Mila. First basketball game, Bella dominates Nika. Second, NIka dominates Zara. Tennis? Nami, Zara and Vanessa, Swimming? Nami. Training for the team? Zara. We've already seen previews of Nami playing more tennis and Zara in workout gear.

Things I'm looking forward to that you haven't mentioned:
- the fighty fight with Ayua, where we find out more about her relatives, probably inlcuding Adrianna.
- what the antagonism in the first chapter will be - what things will be going wrong? We've seen no renders of conflict really, just everyone hanging out feeling swell, NIka with XYZ LI, probably from all the different paths. I want to know if the Holgerson thing will be the main driver of external tension, whether the rumours of NIka are going to play a bigger role, whether Kate will be making moves on Nika to get at Bella.
- Maja. I mean, there are renders of her, I'm already happy. Context will be even greater.
- the context of Sasha's photo shoot/art class thing.

 

[RNasc4444]

Here is Ocean, who makes a game that I consider to be the best among AVNs.

Wtf?!?! Seriously? Out of the hundreds (maybe more?) of AVN's you play, SG is the absolute best in your opinion? I knew you liked the game but damn... Fair enough. Can't argue personal taste.

Not a criticism btw, just legit surprise...

Everything I really wanted to write in response to this does not pass my new non-aggression/tolerance filter.

How new is this damn filter of yours exactly?!?!?! 'Cause most of what I remember getting from you is passive-aggression, aggression-aggression and never ending unabashed sarcasm

$ supporters who can, at any time vote with their $ and stop supporting Ocean.

People here taking SG for free, then complaining about it.

I liken the second group to dumpster diving for food then complaining to the chef that you did not get the meal you wanted in a timely fashion/with the appetizers you desired/there was no wine served.

These can be legitimate complaints for someone who is actually Paying for the meal, and a legitimate reason to stop paying for food at this establishment if the chef is indeed not providing the meal and service promised by his establishment.

NO chef owes dumpster divers the meal of their choice/the table of their choosing/the wine they prefer/etc.

Bad analogy imo, since it implies that people who don't directly support Ocean are only getting leftovers from the tables/dumpsters. That is incorrect. We are actually getting the full course here, either straight from the kitchen or the table when it arrives. Therefore "dine & dash" would have been a better analogy.

Generally speaking I agree with your post but you seem to be implying that you can't have "legitimate complaints" unless you pay for the meal. That is blatantly false. You can have legitimate complaints as long as you taste the food. That's the only requirement.

Now whether the Chef should give a single fuck about the opinion of someone who dines and dashes is up to you. I wouldn't! And I fully support Ocean in not giving a single fuck about what I say about his games. The people he should listen to and care about are his subs. No question about that.

 

[yossa999]

Wtf?!?! Seriously? Out of the hundreds (maybe more?) of AVN's you play, SG is the absolute best in your opinion?

 

[Eland51298]

This game had such potential it's really a shame that none of us will live long enough to see how it ends

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Wtf?!?! Seriously? Out of the hundreds (maybe more?) of AVN's you play, SG is the absolute best in your opinion? I knew you liked the game but damn... Fair enough. Can't argue personal taste.

Not a criticism btw, just legit surprise...


How new is this damn filter of yours exactly?!?!?! 'Cause most of what I remember getting from you is passive-aggression, aggression-aggression and never ending unabashed sarcasm


Bad analogy imo, since it implies that people who don't directly support Ocean are only getting leftovers from the tables/dumpsters. That is incorrect. We are actually getting the full course here, either straight from the kitchen or the table when it arrives. Therefore "dine & dash" would have been a better analogy.

Generally speaking I agree with your post but you seem to be implying that you can't have "legitimate complaints" unless you pay for the meal. That is blatantly false. You can have legitimate complaints as long as you taste the food. That's the only requirement.

Now whether the Chef should give a single fuck about the opinion of someone who dines and dashes is up to you. I wouldn't! And I fully support Ocean in not giving a single fuck about what I say about his games. The people he should listen to and care about are his subs. No question about that.

There are, IMO, legitimate complaints about Any AVN, and these are independent of status as a $ supporter.

With SG, for example, we've had inconsistent imagery for some of the LI's, like Mila, whose chest has changed sizes multiple times over the course of season 1, which represents about 1 week of game time (at least in terms of the time Nika and Nami have known Mila).

I see these as some of the growing pains of SG and if these continued throughout S2 and S3, for example, that would diminish SG for me. I like an AVN that keeps me immersed in its story. Inconsistent renders for key characters will break my immersion if they become obvious and repetitive.

When someone posts the latest dev log for SG, there are typically several types of information in multiple broad categories, something like:

A) Status of rendering/scenes
B) Hardware/software/GUI/Phone/status of finding freelancer help for specific assets
C) Status of music/licenses/animations tied to music
D) Business issues - like taxes

Since the origin of the post is on Patreon/SS - it is for those who have sought it out, and has details people like me, who are $ supporters, like and value.

If someone is not interested in B/C/D - that is great - don't read them.

If there is some part of a dev log I see on Patreon/SS or here that I have no interest in - I don't read it and move on...

Complaining/finding fault with Ocean because he says a specific power cable was not delivered with his workstation... what is the point?

I bought a new laptop before Christmas - got a good deal on a nice sale and when it arrived - it was missing the docking station that was supposed to be part of the package deal.

I had to let the vendor know and two weeks later, I got the missing docking station and a vendor mea culpa - warehouse mistake.

Conspiracy? - No - just RL - shit happens and we roll with it.

I see the dev communicating with his supporters as being real - what is happening/has happened since the last dev log - the good, bad and ugly.

I Know Ocean does not tell us all the specific things that went well in any given dev log period of ~ two weeks.

He gives a status update and share a few things that are outside the norm - so RL...

There are some on this thread that just seem to Live for the chance to find Something wrong here, versus going and finding something right elsewhere - just glad that I do not have to suffer through dealing with them as RL friends or family as That would be brutal.

Once we get the first S2 update, we will have more to discuss - some good and I'm sure some we will disagree on, if only due to who likes which LIs and can Amber Please get Nika to the cabin so he can get a proper fix for his currently all but inactive pocket rocket.

And Yes - I do want Major Amber time and multiple scenes as she provides her assistance in reviving said pocket rocket!

I don't expect that in the initial S2 update but I am Hopeful that this is S2 content we will enjoy this year!

Cheers!!

 

[AlexFXR]

I mean, all of us suck at some point. How many people here are filled with righteous idignation that Ocean is missing a cable? Fuck it, Ocean just wants to open the workstation boxes and dive into his nerd heaven that he'll be paying off for a while, and people are thinking it's a conspiracy.

You are right, everyone makes mistakes........ but this is not our case, because Ocean is a generator of mistakes and problems. I think the problem here is not the cable, but that people are tired of hearing constant excuses and justifications. There comes a time when people's faith runs out and they stop believing words. This is exactly what happens to Ocean fans.

 

[DevinHesi]

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Writing this from the Workstation:

I'll now begin the process of moving my big ass 3D library over, I'll install all the software I need and then I'll do some tests.

How fast does the new PC load up scenes.
Does the new PC render faster than the old one with 2 A6000 ADAs? (The new one supports a lot more PCI-E lanes.)
How fast does it render with the full 3x A6000 setup?
What are the temps?
How fast does it load the textures back into the GPU during an animation?


And whatever other tests come to mind.

Also, why does Win 11 look like a damn phone

But with that... The Workstation is now in use.

 

[Miranha157]

I am quite thankful that Ocean deleted his F95 account and is no longer wasting his time 'entertaining' the complaints of those here taking SG for free.

I don't even want to think about how long it would take Ocean to make his 10k renders if he had an f95 account kkkkkkkk

 

[Miranha157]

If the dev gives people reasons to complain then blame the dev not the people.

 

[Miranha157]

I mean, all of us suck at some point. How many people here are filled with righteous idignation that Ocean is missing a cable? Fuck it, Ocean just wants to open the workstation boxes and dive into his nerd heaven that he'll be paying off for a while, and people are thinking it's a conspiracy.

Seriously, do you want to compare the cable with, for example, 1 year without any news in SG? Or walking on eggshells... like the rework was a fiasco and S01 without Vic's pussy!

 

[dameromexxx]

Even if Ocean works a miracle and shortens the production time of the season to two years, it will still take him 10 years

If someone complains about such trifles as the cable scandal, it ultimately does not matter to him because if that is enough to complain, he will not last at least 10 years with Ocean

If someone loves this game as much as Yossa, it does not matter to him because whether it takes 10 or 15 years, he will still wait for each update for as long as he breathes

Discussion for the sake of discussion

 

[Joan6969]

Why anyone with any knowledge of the first season would be surprise by delays
for season 2......well I find that pretty funny!