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No. SG is done with the reworks. WiaB will gave a change with the next update, how much and what the change will be exactly is something that the thread has talked for months now.
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In short - no one knows, but it has happened before.
My guess is that nothing else will change in the first season which is already released on Steam. Although there may be retcons in the future chapters, like in the fifth chapter we see that Noji and Amber have known each other for a long time, although earlier in front of the MC they pretended to see each other for the first time. And in the new chapters that will come out further, there may well be changes until the new season comes out on Steam.
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She can elevate up into the stratosphere if she likes, I'm sticking with Nami.
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We are optimistic. I would add one month to each.
WiaB 2025/04
SG 2025/06
Maybe the workstation will speed up the process, but I think that is only natural for Ocean spend a few days playing with it.
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Well you already have 2 replies. A no and a maybe. So let me add a resounding YES. Yes it will. You can count on that. Bet your firstborn on it. Put up the house and all your savings. There is no safer bet. It is as sure as the sun setting today and rising once again tomorrow. A sudden extinction of mankind is more likely than SG not suffering further changes and retcons down the line.
We know this by the pattern of development of both of the dev's games. So you either go ahead and accept that now and play it or wait x years for the final update of SG to come out.
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While I do appreciate these replies, you keep thinking of SG as a piece of software, going through versions and iterations until it reaches it's final form or support just ends in favor of the new thing and it becomes a legacy tool.
I look at it as a story. That you should build from the ground up like a house. You start with the foundations and then add to it. Floor by floor. You don't suddenly wake up and decide to change the steel mesh for the reinforced concrete and tear it all down to build it again. And then 5 years later decide to overhaul the plumbing, so down the house goes again to build it back up a 3rd time.
Then you notice the floors aren't leveled. Mold is forming around the window corners. The colors on the walls don't quite match and the electrical wiring is so fucked up the board keeps blowing up whenever you turn on the washer and the microwave at the same time... Like I told you before. That's not storytelling. Or a proper house. It's just a shitshow
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While I can't say that you don't have reason to think so, you very much do, I really hope Ocean moves on. Please smoothing sailing from here on out. I really like but if he keeping add and cutting stuff it will kill the game for me. So maybe I am being naive, but I am hoping for the best.
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It's funny because the metaphor of approaching software design as an architectural problem of building a house has been the dominant one in software development for a long time. It's only recently that it's been rethought and revised, including in a book which cover I posted as a joke. It explores exactly why this approach doesn't work in software development. Kent Beck is extreme, questionable and bearded, but his research on this topic gave a push for so-called "agile" approach in software development.While I do appreciate these replies, you keep thinking of SG as a piece of software, going through versions and iterations until it reaches it's final form or support just ends in favor of the new thing and it becomes a legacy tool.
I look at it as a story. That you should build from the ground up like a house. You start with the foundations and then add to it. Floor by floor. You don't suddenly wake up and decide to change the steel mesh for the reinforced concrete and tear it all down to build it again. And then 5 years later decide to overhaul the plumbing, so down the house goes again to build it back up a 3rd time.
Then you notice the floors aren't leveled. Mold is forming around the window corners. The colors on the walls don't quite match and the electrical wiring is so fucked up the board keeps blowing up whenever you turn on the washer and the microwave at the same time... Like I told you before. That's not storytelling. Or a proper house. It's just a shitshow
However, this has little to do with Ocean's approach, since one of the core practices of the agile is iterative development; iterations should be fairly short and end with releases that integrate into the product the bits of the functionality developed during the iteration.
Returning to AVN, now three of the rather popular AVNs that I am following are in the process of reworking the initial chapters. These AVN developers are complete incompetents.
What can I say, wander around the bazaar, look at the prices, maybe you will find something cheaper and better than Ocean's.
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Ocean follows WATERFALL approach instead of AGILE or DEVOPS. Hence the nameIt's funny because the metaphor of approaching software design as an architectural problem of building a house has been the dominant one in software development for a long time. It's only recently that it's been rethought and revised, including in a book which cover I posted as a joke. It explores exactly why this approach doesn't work in software development. Kent Beck is extreme, questionable and bearded, but his research on this topic gave a push for so-called "agile" approach in software development.
However, this has little to do with Ocean's approach, since one of the core practices of the agile is iterative development; iterations should be fairly short and end with releases that integrate into the product the bits of the functionality developed during the iteration.
Returning to AVN, now three of the rather popular AVNs that I am following are in the process of reworking the initial chapters. These AVN developers are complete incompetents.
What can I say, wander around the bazaar, look at the prices, maybe you will find something cheaper and better than Ocean's.
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I want Vanessa to be my Scrum Master!Ocean follows WATERFALL approach instead of AGILE or DEVOPS. Hence the name
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She is a master manipulator and the role of Project Manager suits her well.I want Vanessa to be my Scrum Master!
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Depends. Are they simple visual updates? Are they a remaster with minor tweaks to improve the narrative without changing it? Or are they "Ocean Reworks" that do a complete 180 on the characters and story?Returning to AVN, now three of the rather popular AVNs that I am following are in the process of reworking the initial chapters. These AVN developers are complete incompetents.
Better is easy. Cheaper? Can it get cheaper than free?What can I say, wander around the bazaar, look at the prices, maybe you will find something cheaper and better than Ocean's.
I'm down if Ocean is willing to pay me to play his games
I think the time it takes to do all this is the biggest problem. How not to overthink or overanalyze how to block new inspiration how not to get new ideas when you have access to new technological toys that you didn't have before. As he claims he wrote the whole story but producing it in a dull and mechanical way for over 10 years is a simple recipe for turning your life into a joyless festival of grindness and numbness.
It's a bit like the curse of being a psychic like Alice from Zero End when you know every move you make for the next dozen or so years you will burn out very quickly and lose the desire to continue
Let's start with the fact that the biggest mistake was made at the very beginning the very concept of making 5 games creating one universe over the course of over 20 years is pure madness for a single developer if Ocean Lab was a collaborative project created by four artists called Atlantic, Pacific. Indian and Arctic sharing one studio each creating their own game and sharing ideas with each other, then we can say that we are heading towards our goal, in our situation we can only hope that our crazy journey into the unknown will be a joyride
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Just one month huh? Yeah.....well your best bet is to not put a date on anything from this Dev.
Nothing against the man I love his work. But never go by any dates from him
or anyone else. You will be disappointed if you do. I'm just going by history....and
I just know I'm gonna hear...."but work-station!" lol!