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I get that. As a freelancer in my situation, I have to hand everything over to a separate business, or I have to spend time managing other people, and being their quality control. That needs time away from being creative. Ocean is not a team leader, he's a creative. From experience, creatives are usually hopeless with timetables, delegation and working in a team, generally speaking.

And keep in mind, Ocean has gone for help, and been let down by the results so that he has to do it on his own. The phone is a great example, this current version is what, his 4th attempt? After trying three different people helping? If you can't find help of the quality you need to get the job done to your standard, you either waste more time looking for help after all the bad help, or you learn to do it yourself. Remmber the music issue? Everyone was upset Ocean was taking so long getting the music sorted, but he was trying not to throw bad money after good. His problem is that he is not a manager or team leader, but he also is the only person responsible for the end result.

THe last thing is exclusivity - as a creative, does he spend all the money buying duplicate assets for a second person to speed up renders, who then runs off with Ocean's investment, makes their own AVN with Ocean's customised characters?

I think also, the barn in WIaB and the sports field in SG are two areas that he got help for, and currently he has a graphic designer helping with the menus (both the game menus/gui and the food/drinks menus in the game). So it's not that he doesn't want help, but trust is hard to justify when you've been burnt with bad experiences.

It's a situation where Ocean needs a bunch of things going right for him consistently (getting on schedule, not running a pc into BSOD, etc), then he can spare the attention to seeing if there are people he'll trust.
I completely agree with the whole trust is hard to justify when you have been hurt with bad experiences, I don't argue that i've invested in others just to be let down time and time again. I do see if WiaB steam release is a success and season 2 chapter 1 of SG is a success that Ocean can maybe take some time off and see if he can find help. But then again will he just find people not up to his standards or people that can put out the quailty he is looking for ? The last thing i would think he would want is to put out a shit product just to receive a bad response. I would think he does a lot of double checking everything and maybe second guess himself quite a bit before putting anything out or it would be a good idea to do so I would think. If he would hire someone then they can maybe be blamed for some work they do but if he works alone then he is the only one to blame and we can not except a perfect product every time he is as others have said only human not a machine but I do see others including myself except Ocean to always be perfect and make no mistakes which isnt fair because we would not want others to except the same for us.:coffee:
 
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I completely agree with the whole trust is hard to justify when you have been hurt with bad experiences, I don't argue that i've invested in others just to be let down time and time again. I do see if WiaB steam release is a success and season 2 chapter 1 of SG is a success that Ocean can maybe take some time off and see if he can find help. But then again will he just find people not up to his standards or people that can put out the quailty he is looking for ? The last thing i would think he would want is to put out a shit product just to receive a bad response. I would think he does a lot of double checking everything and maybe second guess himself quite a bit before putting anything out or it would be a good idea to do so I would think. If he would hire someone then they can maybe be blamed for some work they do but if he works alone then he is the only one to blame and we can not except a perfect product every time he is as others have said only human not a machine but I do see others including myself except Ocean to always be perfect and make no mistakes which isnt fair because we would not want others to except the same for us.:coffee:
Oh I can totally cope with something imperfect, as long as it's engaging. THe reason we debate SG and WiaB is because we find them appealing, not because they are perfect. Thre so many things I'd change. The rework shows that there's so many things that can be changed. Ocean second guesses all the time... somehow the results are still capturing my attention. Perfect is not his goal, getting people engaged with the story is the goal. The renders are a visual script, just as much as the text is for reading, there will be typos and faux pas visually and grammatically. Like every AVN or AAA game I've played.The joy for me is the AVN is a window into a different world, and I want to know what happens.

We'll put up with everything but a shit story in the meantime :coffee::sneaky:
 
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Oh I can totally cope with something imperfect, as long as it's engaging. THe reason we debate SG and WiaB is because we find them appealing, not because they are perfect. Thre so many things I'd change. The rework shows that there's so many things that can be changed. Ocean second guesses all the time... somehow the results are still capturing my attention. Perfect is not his goal, getting people engaged with the story is the goal. The renders are a visual script, just as much as the text is for reading, there will be typos and faux pas visually and grammatically. Like every AVN or AAA game I've played.The joy for me is the AVN is a window into a different world, and I want to know what happens.

We'll put up with everything but a shit story in the meantime :coffee::sneaky:
I noticed the Character Models of WiaB the old version up to chapter 6 beta they was terrible. the back grounds was terrible the new version is way better it was a real improvement, as well as the old version of SG the Characters and back grounds was terrible, the new version of SG is way better. I approve of Oceans new works on both games, the storys also on both games is so different from the old to the new.:D:coffee:
 
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I noticed the Character Models of WiaB the old version up to chapter 6 beta they was terrible. the back grounds was terrible the new version is way better it was a real improvement, as well as the old version of SG the Characters and back grounds was terrible, the new version of SG is way better. I approve of Oceans new works on both games, the storys also on both games is so different from the old to the new.:D:coffee:
Yeah, you can see in Ch6 there that when Ocean probably got his first "good" video card, or there was a massive update to the assets he could buy on the DAZ store. Happened in SG around the same time, Ch3 I guess. That's why the rework happened, everything before that change was visually cringe. There was great potential, but it was fumbling around. Now Ocan's consolidated his style.

Those feels when people tell you how great old SG and old WiaB were and there was no reason for reworks:

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Yeah, you can see in Ch6 there that when Ocean probably got his first "good" video card, or there was a massive update to the assets he could buy on the DAZ store. Happened in SG around the same time, Ch3 I guess. That's why the rework happened, everything before that change was visually cringe. There was great potential, but it was fumbling around. Now Ocan's consolidated his style.

Those feels when people tell you how great old SG and old WiaB were and there was no reason for reworks:

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And there's people who say the remake was unnecessary Gpimm-Ea4AA4-PJ.jpg
 
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The problem was never the visual upgrade brought by the remakes, but the fact that it took six years to complete while the story barely progressed. The main character is still not in any kind of relationship with any of the dozens of love interests, unable to engage in any sexual activity, and not even one in-game month has passed during all this time.

The visual improvements are nice, but if you're not hardcore into these characters, you'd expect a lot more after half a decade of development. Same with the other game. Started in 2018 and it's only at Chapter 3? Chapter 4 has been in development for over a year now.

Again, if you're not deeply invested in these characters, it's easy to forget even their names and storylines over time, for example i can't even tell wtf its about after all this gap time.
 

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I've also been enjoying the Maja love in the thread. Ocean's logic was that she's an older girl and would have no interest in a younger guy like MC, plus her sister is hugely into him and she would prioritize her relationship with her sister any day. But yeah, I'd hope Ocean changes his mind eventually but we have so many LIs already and we're never going to see the end of the game at this pace anyway, so it matters little.
Isn't Amber Bella's mother? She's a Li and she's older than Maja. Plus she's Nika's therapist and her girl seems like she's into Nika. Man, sometimes I don't get Ocean's fucked up logic.
 

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Have you played old Wiab? Katie fans exist because of that. New Katie is way hotter than old Katie, and Katie aged like fine wine here in SG.

Doesn't matter if she has lewds or not.

And there are the bookclub wallpapers of her.



I see it differently. Ocean develops detailed background characters so he has a bunch of characters he can elevate to an important role if he needs a new one for a plot point. This way they look like they've already been in the game the whole time - it makes it more immersive. It also mans we see how the rumours work. Goth pizza girl is there talking with NIka's circle on the first day in the background - she's there in the pizza shop when Nika and Nami are talking loudly about him fucking in the toilet stalls. Convincing way for the rumour to be legit. Same with stalker cheeto - she's in the clothing store when Nika is there with Bella, just like she can be there when Nika has a panic attack. Rumours spread - Sasha then has legit ways to know Nika has issues, and the Bella rumours have a starting point.



That's why I think Maja will be a drunk one night stand. Girl clearly has needs based on her box, she lives in denial of herself by looking after Vic now. There will be a moment her horniness takes over, then she'll be awkward and put down groundrules to stop things from going further. Mila talks about Maja's selflessness I think, and how it's good to give her time off caring and doing her own thing.

I also think Ocean will do some lewds for her as fan service after demoting her. Easier to do a lapse of judgment that creates some tension than have parallel paths that ignore how he's developed Maja's big carer vibe.
I am not saying that it can't work. There are o number of ways it can. I just can't see how for him makes sense Maja putting Vic well being above her as to not persue MC. But then fuck him drunk. It feels cheap and goes against the ideia of the character. Also SG is on Patreon, does Patreon allows drunk sex ?

There are better ways to show how caring for Vic is taking away from Maja. Fucking Nika shouldn't be one of those if there wont be a pay off. I don't remember but they are sister or just really good friend on th steam version ?
 

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Amber and Nika is a lot easier. If Nika is f
I have played WiaB but I don't remember Katie being naked at any point no boob shots or ass shots naked, all I remember about her is her in some tight ass clothes but a lot of people look good with clothes on but look like shit naked.;):cool:
Its a AVN. Everybody is hot as fuck except the MC. And have you see Ocean charecters? You think that Katie wont be hot naked ?
 

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I am not saying that it can't work. There are o number of ways it can. I just can't see how for him makes sense Maja putting Vic well being above her as to not persue MC. But then fuck him drunk. It feels cheap and goes against the ideia of the character. Also SG is on Patreon, does Patreon allows drunk sex ?

There are better ways to show how caring for Vic is taking away from Maja. Fucking Nika shouldn't be one of those if there wont be a pay off. I don't remember but they are sister or just really good friend on th steam version ?
As far as I remember they both hav Frohn as their names. But as long as they're not fiddling with each other, it doesn't matter. I imagine early one, Ocean thought about a threesome, which is why he kept their relationship ambiguous.

As far as cheap, sure. Maja will have a lot of regret. Who knows how it might or might not happen? Life is full of cheap decisions people regret though, and drama is their efforts to fix their shit - so in my mind, Maja making a mistake like that is no worse than Bella's hit and run, thievery etc etc etc. The game is focused on reconciling trauma, we don't know what's behind each character and their weaknesses. Don't forget that Maja is into tying people up for a kink. She's not an angel :devilish:
 
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Since this is the case, let's sue me, I'm in another country, good luck :BootyTime: Yeah, I love bossy moms.
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And my father also taught me not to stick my dick in the "madness".
 
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