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Rumplepuss

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Is there any connection between "Summer's Gone" and "Where It All Began" ? Are the two works developed at the same time?
Looks like the geography and calendar of the two stories is shared although not necessarily coincidentally. For example the restaurant where Bella and the MC meet at the end of chapter 3 of Summer's Gone, Relucia Dinner, appears to be the same place that the MC and Leia visited for dinner and drinks in Where it all Began. Also the surname of Victoria and Maja from Summer's Gone, i.e., Frohn, was mentioned by Leia in respect to a couple of girls drinking at the bar, one of whom the MC had stared at entering Relucia Dinner while he and Leia were talking outside: The hairstyles of the Frohns looked much different from those Victoria and Maja sport in Summer's Gone, but I think that the girl with bobbed blonde hair might have been Maja making a brief cameo appearance in Where it all Began, nursing a drink at the bar and looking kind of neglected, lonely, sad and forlorn.

Of course even if the restaurant is identical in the two stories the events could have happened chronologically at completely different times and the girl I thought was Maja could conceivably be someone else, e.g., Maja's mother if WIAB was set a number of years before SG. Or maybe Frohns in Where it all Began were different members of the same family as Victoria and Maja and related to them by blood, or more distantly by marriage, say, or not related to them at all even though they share a rare and unusual surname.

Anyway, based on the flimsy evidence trundled out above, going out on a limb, I'm going to say that I think that Where it All Began and Summer's Gone are most likely contemporaneous, roughly, and take place in the same city unless Relucia Dinner is a franchise and has premises scattered over several locations. Even so, after all that permuting and combining, it still isn't clear whether WIAB and SG themselves are entangled and connected, as far as the characters and events in them are concerned, or completely separate mutually exclusive worlds which, even if they exist in the same space and time, are not fated to affect and interact one with each other in any way that matters to the individuals peopling them.

When I began writing this jazz I thought I had the answer but now, this far down the page, realise that I don't after all.

(What a pisser!)

You've got to love something that involves and provokes so much thought though ain't 'cha?

(I can't believe how invested I have become in the goings-on in these visual novels! :geek:)
 
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Warscared

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Ayu and the wiab Girlfriend are cousins and share the same fighting techniques! the city of SG is probably the same city where the MC from wiab run to and that is why an entire family in the AYU clan moved there to track down that girl that can leak their family secrets! drinks are also common in both stories! and the big bad dude in SG will probably be a Zane running away from the law and the big crime syndicate after he kills most of them to help Save Leya and the MC from wiab!

It may even end up being the MC from wiab if he can not end with a LI of its own or if his LI is his sister he can start to fight a "friendly" competition with you for the attention of your favorite LI to pass the time between visits from Kathie or leya!
 

tvas789

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Looks like the geography and calendar of the two stories is shared although not necessarily coincidentally. For example the restaurant where Bella and the MC meet at the end of chapter 3 of Summer's Gone, Relucia Dinner, appears to be the same place that the MC and Leia visited for dinner and drinks in Where it all Began. Also the surname of Victoria and Maja from Summer's Gone, i.e., Frohn, was mentioned by Leia in respect to a couple of girls drinking at the bar, one of whom the MC had stared at entering Relucia Dinner while he and Leia were talking outside: The hairstyles of the Frohns in Relucia Dinner looked much different from those Victoria and Maja sport in Summer's Gone, but I think that the girl with bobbed blonde hair might have been Maja making a brief cameo appearance in Where it all Began, nursing a drink at the bar and looking kind of neglected, lonely, sad and forlorn.

Of course even if the restaurant is identical in the two stories the events could have happened chronologically at completely different times and the girl I thought was Maja could conceivably be someone else, e.g., Maja's mother if WIAB was set a number of years before SG. Or maybe Frohns in Where it all Began could be different members of the same family as Victoria and Maja and related to them by blood, or more distantly by marriage, say, or not related to them at all even though they shared a rare and unusual surname.

Anyway, based on the flimsy evidence trundled out above, going out on a limb, I'm going to say that I think that Where it All Began and Summer's Gone are most likely contemporaneous, roughly, and take place in the same city unless Relucia Dinner is a franchise and has premises scattered over several locations. Even so, after all that permuting and combining, it still isn't clear whether WIAB and SG themselves are entangled and connected, as far as the characters and events in them are concerned, or completely separate mutually exclusive worlds which, even if they exist in the same space and time, are not fated to affect and interact one with the other in any way that matters to the individuals peopling them.

When I began writing this jazz I thought I had the answer but now, this far down the page, realise that I don't after all.

(What a pisser!)

Only time will tell I suppose... you've got to love it ain't 'cha?

(I can't believe how invested I have become in the goings-on of these visual novels! :geek:)
thank you,bro
I like Where it All Began&Summer's Gone
 

Rumplepuss

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thank you,bro
I like Where it All Began&Summer's Gone
I thought I could give you a snappy answer, bro, but the more I tried the more lost I became in the mazy wonderland of the tales. Both visual novels are wonderful creations of the imagination however and I recommend them to you highly. In my opinion you won't find anything better, more beautiful or deeper on this site even though their complexity makes it hard if not impossible for dicks like me to write sensibly about them in words. Live long, prosper and enjoy. (y)
 
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Hero of Time

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Is there any connection between the MC in Summer's Gone & Where it all began?
Been wondering about that.
Both the MC of SG and the MC of WiAB dine at the Relucia Diner. The leaf symbol also appears all the place so they are both located in Wollust. A particular earring also appears in both games. Other than that nothing too significant. None of the characters have interacted with each nor have they cameos in each other's games. Have to wait and see for now.




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duningtwo

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Both the MC of SG and the MC of WiAB dine at the Relucia Diner. The leaf symbol also appears all the place so they are both located in Wollust. A particular earring also appears in both games. Other than that nothing too significant. None of the characters have interacted with each nor have they cameos in each other's games. Have to wait and see for now.
this small texas town of 14,000 people is suspiciously affluent and exciting.
 

duningtwo

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must be a stopping point for the Sinaloa cartel on their drug traffics! So plenty of jobs as security for the shipments wherehouse management and all sort of assorted jobs indirectly related (as mechanics gaz deposit operators spare auto parts and so forth...) and relatively well payed! You can imagine the bikers getting payed well to run security and decoy runs!

Those dudes in Jail doing time and taking the blame for a few cartel members or other influential people, although a co ed prison might means the cartel members got caught and had to bribe a few people to get some pussehhh on that place! and ofc prison safety...

So as you can see its a very thriving town with plenty of opportunititties!
this must also explain the 20 year old $1200/hour lawyer, the 20 year old multiple small business owning mob boss, the boutique clothing shop selling $10,000 suits. never saw any of this passing through the panhandle myself. well, i saw bikers.
 

hellomate1

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this must also explain the 20 year old $1200/hour lawyer, the 20 year old multiple small business owning mob boss, the boutique clothing shop selling $10,000 suits. never saw any of this passing through the panhandle myself. well, i saw bikers.
Small towns that are stopping points for the cartels usually look like shitholes, no expensive shops or much (or any) high life, from my experience in some of the small towns I been in. Everyone knew who the cartel guys were and mostly stayed out of their way. People just go about their business like there's nothing happening - even normal, in a way.
 
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