VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Ilhares]

My point is that there was not any sexual encounter with them

If by that you mean no obvious fucking, sure, but the hot tub/sauna is kinda riding that line.

 

[DarkOs31]

If by that you mean no obvious fucking, sure, but the hot tub/sauna is kinda riding that line.

Don't forget the og script where Nami's almost riding Nika's dick in the bathtub scene which got deleted cuz of reasons...

 

[John972]

Ugghh...

Any incest game on Steam has just not been found by them. Forget card...SubStars own ToS it is prohibited (and has been for years). Which part of that did you not understand? Despite them not actively pushing their own ToS...putting a game on Substar that breaks their ToS is just lunacy now.

Yeah, "just move to SS" / "Steam doesn't care" are about the most frustratingly brainless and inane comments I have read on F95 over the last couple of years and they still get repeated over and over in this thread.

Man, those commenters need to read the room and go outside and touch grass to see what is happening to AVNs in the real world.

Originally, it was "Patreon doesn't care" - well, they do now.

Then it was "Steam doesn't care" - well, they do now.

It's still "SubscribeStar doesn't care" - only an idiot doesn't see where this is going...

 

[Joan6969]

well this's depressing

Yeah that pretty much sums it up. Sadly I've seen this crap
before many years ago from a few senators trying to stop adult
stuff in games here in the US. I thought we were way past this crap!
I mean hell!!! It's 2025....there's porn everywhere on the net and now
only fans.......yet this is the stuff these 2 companies are trying to stop?
Something stinks here is all I can say!

 

[Miranha157]

You know what I find funny? He did everything to please Steam and Patreon and in the end, he got his ass kicked and left empty-handed. He doesn't listen to the game's audience, censored both games, changed relationships and probably the course of the story, just to make more money on Patreon. Do I feel sorry for him? No, I opened a 1980s wine just to enjoy the fire in the playground.

 

[Holyx9]

I just looked at Ocean SS and I also just sub to him to help keep his gaming going. There should be no reason why Ocean can't live off SS monthly income of 4620$ a month. Germany has lower cost of living than the US. That not including his sales for steam, GOG or Itch. Even with the lost of Patreon, Ocean still has enough financial support from SS to be a full time AVN dev.

 

[Rozhok]

You know what I find funny? He did everything to please Steam and Patreon and in the end, he got his ass kicked and left empty-handed. He doesn't listen to the game's audience, censored both games, changed relationships and probably the course of the story, just to make more money on Patreon. Do I feel sorry for him? No, I opened a 1980s wine just to enjoy the fire in the playground.

This is exactly how I feel. I used to absolutely love his games and supported it for quite a while, but he gave the middle finger to his audience just for the money and now I can't feel bad about this blowing up in his face.

 

[Mortarion]

That is some good news, I hope that SS becomes a viable source for him but yes, the realsing of S2 would do wonders for him.

The problem is that you have to somehow lure the audience on the site, because Steam demands to remove all mentions or links to subscription platforms in the their releases. With the shitty justification that the game is nowhere to be found cheaper than at their shop.

I took a look at the SubscribeStar last night but it wanted digital id or some kind of photo and I'm not doing that shit they can eat a bag of dicks before that happens.

Wonder if Ocean can do Steam but since Early Access isn't available as an option anymore, he could release subsequent chapters as "DLC" a chapter at a time for like $3.00 each or something.

What?! Care to explain at which point this kind of stuff was demanded from you? Just now, and out of curiosity, I have created a 2nd account there.
My only problem is that I lack a 2nd debit card to setup a payment method for testing purposes. So I couldn't progress there.

The only problem I could see there would be the country of origin, maybe there are some law restrictions here that force SS to demand this kind of stuff. I'm from germany, and I'm 100% sure that I have never uploaded anything that resembles to a digital ID or other shit.

Man, this could be solved in such a simple way. He would set up a game website himself, get support, and release the news on that website. But since he's stupid and complacent, this makes it very clear that almost 3 years without any news in SG kkkkkkkkk

The website is not the problem, the problem are the payment processors - just like everywhere else. If they start to shit list you from the beginning, you are done. And even if you would be able to setup paypal or similar things, that is nothing more as a ticking bomb. Oceans Patreon got report bombed from haters on both games on a monthly base starting years ago. Even SG was under internal review close to every 2nd month. Just until now Ocean was able to prevent the worst case. That should explain his paranoia about comply to the rules and clean his games to give them no reason to pull the plug.

I just looked at Ocean SS and I also just sub to him to help keep his gaming going. There should be no reason why Ocean can't live off SS monthly income of 4620$ a month. Germany has lower cost of living than the US. That not including his sales for steam, GOG or Itch. Even with the lost of Patreon, Ocean still has enough financial support from SS to be a full time AVN dev.

Sorry, but this is bullshit. You have to consider old contracts like the workstation energy bills, taxes, private health care, ...

4620$ - 5% SS cut: 4620$/100*95 = 4.389$

4.389$ ~ 3.738,29 €


3.738,29€ after taxes ~ something between 2.600€ and 2.800€
(I have roughly ~3500€ pre taxes for a 39h/week. Quite a shitty deal for Ocean for a 60h week. Jokes on Ocean, I would never take this deal and stay employed...)
I assume Oceans energy bill cracks the 500€ without breaking a sweat.
Then other, for us unknown business expenses.
Then living costs like rent or the secondary living costs for water, heating, wastewater, some insurances for occurring damages on property of others, life insurance...
And sometimes you just want to eat something now and then.

And you HAVE to save up some money for the tax office.
A business owner here in Germany is forced to do taxes every year, and as soon you have gotten a little plus from your company the tax hammer strikes again and you have to pay back taxes, additionally the monthly taxes you have to pay upfront for the next year rises. That's the reason for Ocean to put so much money into assets for the game, assets like music or PC hardware. If the money is not spend into the business and left over at the end of the year, it counts as profit and is fully taxable.

Beside the struggles a avn creator in Germany with the stuff that happens in the world, organisations like shout out or other shit, you have to spend a massive amount of time and money just to be consumed by the bureaucracy of the German Gov and the German Tax Office.

 

[Messerah]

The best thing that dev can do now is to completely freeze both projects, then thoroughly study the market to avoid repeating past mistakes, find temporary work, thoroughly prepare a new project during this time, and create a completely new page anonymously, completely incognito.

And maybe if he lets go of his ego and starts doing what the audience wants, not what he wants, he'll achieve the same success as other developers. Take Dessert Stalker, for example. There's no two-year wait, no slow-burn relationships, no impotent hero, and no wheelchair-bound heroines. He's earned half a million dollars from Steam alone. This is just one of dozens of such successful projects.

 

[Quarron]

I was 21 when I played this game for the first time, and now I am 25, still waiting for an update, still waiting to see the MC achieve his goddamn erection being solved after 4 years, yet what I see know that his Patreon page is deleted, this game is the most problematic and dramatic game to be sure among all adult games, so sad to see that.

 

[GustavoGanz]

What's the point of waiting and hoping? After the game was adapted for Steam, it wasn't as good as it was before, in my opinion. So, it's time to send it to data nirvana (delete it from my SSD). Maybe OceanLabs will sort out the problems – maybe not. Let's wait and see. There are plenty of other games here on F95 that are at least as good, if not better.

 

[BobTheDuck]

He can still put season 2 on steam but not as EA.....from what I read it
will have to be a "dlc" and that needs to be approved just like the first
season. Of course maybe that was his intent to begin with. I only
brought it up as I keep seeing EA being used in the forum. But yeah no
more EA content for AVN thanks to Visa and Mastercard for pushing their
values on the general public!

Season 2 as it is currently is probably large enough to qualify as a full game. I think the goal is to release each season with 3-4 chapters as a game, with the following chapters as DLC. That's what I understood from reading thing on discord, could be wrong. It seems a pretty sensible approach.

Early access is just a tag on the site in effect. It's better for us that there isn't early access - I've seen a few that are still on early access, years after the dev announced they were quitting. Without early access, devs HAVE to upload a product of significant length. Steam doesn't have to recheck that the DEV hasn't added non compliant content after it's been approved for EA.

This side of it is better for us overall, less chance of paying for vapour.

Of course, this process will take a backseat until the current existential drama is settled.

 

[Lorenz1]

Yeh, let's be honest, the next release of SG will be the last. Same for WIAB, probably, unless Ocean moves to full steam sales release. Without monthly payments I don't see how this level of production can be sustainable.

> There are plenty of other games here on F95 that are at least as good, if not better.

Like? Ocean has the best renders in the industry.

But yeh, just shows how trying to accommodate the partners who genuinely hate your business and don't want you on their platform is just a dead end. I get why Ocean caved in, but it all was a run against time. Patreon will eventually remove all adult content, no matter how sanitized. Steam will probably be next.

 

[NozToh]

This game is never going to be completed, with or without backing. That’s just the reality

 

[Niuul]

I was 21 when I played this game for the first time, and now I am 25, still waiting for an update, still waiting to see the MC achieve his goddamn erection being solved after 4 years, yet what I see know that his Patreon page is deleted, this game is the most problematic and dramatic game to be sure among all adult games, so sad to see that.

Yeah, gotta say... 4 or 5 years and we've just finished the first season is kinda sad lol. Trying to do 2 games at the same time has clearly paid off.

 

[Ilhares]

Sadly I think SG got dinged as well for incest since Nami and Nika are legally adoptive brother and sister even in the rework. In the US/CA it's ...

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I thought it had been expressly stated they weren't adopted and that Nojiko was simply taking care of them. Am I remembering this wrongly?

 

[Quarron]

Yeah, gotta say... 4 or 5 years and we've just finished the first season is kinda sad lol. Trying to do 2 games at the same time has clearly paid off.

You've no idea how much I waited lmao it was chapter 3.5 when I finished the game for the first time, I still remember how happy I was when Chapter 4 was released and I took all my time to play and enjoy it slowly. I'd never thought too see those days from earlier tbh, I hope Ocean will find a way to solve this problem.

 

[Cabin Fever]

I thought it had been expressly stated they weren't adopted and that Nojiko was simply taking care of them. Am I remembering this wrongly?

You might be right, but that's just semantics. "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..." will be their excuse reason and lawyering up to fight that will just be a waste of both time and money.

 

[Zolkane]

This game is never going to be completed, with or without backing. That’s just the reality

you can pledge on subscribestar....support is still here and if they all change to subscribestar....nothing change

he just need to continue the game having incest in mind when mc and nami talkiung each other but never include it and somoene will have a patch and thats it....everybody is happy

 

[Crashbullet]

Well, it seems that Ocean will follow Xenorav to Boosty to join the Russians. At least, that's what he's discussing in his Discord.
At least they won't ban him for incest there, but he'll have to travel to Moscow once a year.

Will there be any downsides? Just tell me where to wait for him, I'll give him all the A4 printouts from this forum. Maybe he doesn't know he's buried here once a year, and they hate him a little too (shut up, WIAB).