well I'm in love with Bella and I don't do three ways
Leia could be Summer's mother. Young age Leia in the old WIAB looks exactly like Summer. Or maybe Ocean was just reusing the models he had.Leia, Nami, and Sasha. What's their connection?
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I wouldn't mind this either. As mentally unstable as Bella is, she'd still have a lot of options. The same can be said for Jill. It's normal for girls to have interests too... but that's not something you'd normally see in these games. When I do see writers/developers attempt to take this on, and give the girls lives outside of the MC, it's not very well received. I mean guys, I hate to break it to you, but girls like Bella and Jill would have had guys trying to break down their doors trying to be with them.One thing I wouldn't mind seeing this game (and others) do more of is add more dudes to it (no homo
I don't mind the girls I reject finding love with someone else but I don't want the girl I'm in love with going on dates with anybody else I don't want to see Bella being kissed by anyone else
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I see both toeing the line between fiction and reality with the characters: summer's gone gets its reality from how the trauma shapes the characters, and we dig that. But to outright go on a spy mission to steal stuff out of someone's house to the point of knowing the exact location and viewing angles of the security cameras? Not realistic by any means but it's sure what keeps us amazingly dazzled. Badik: characters are much more cool and laid-back, and have some trauma and problems, but are generally all very approachable, and since quite few seem from good backgrounds, they don't seem to carry weights of their life on their shoulders like Summer's gone, which even though isn't the truth, it's accurate in a sense to make it unnoticeable. But how the protag is practically a chick magnet is not the most realistic thing yeah. But it's entertaining regardless and love them to bits. They have their differences, but I will always focus on the fact that what makes them similar is that their immersion is nearly unbeatable, by any and all media. I'd argue you'd be hard-pressed to find any at all that could get you so immersed as these do. For goodness, I've felt slightly like I'm missing life just by watching this amazing story unfold at my very eyes. But I know that isn't the case, but rather life will never be that exciting, or that I will meet a girl that has the most amazing complexion with prominent eyebrows that could make me waver. Or maybe there is and haven't found them yet. You get my point.
You're definitely right that what MC and Bella did was out of the ordinary. But the same can be said for BADIK. You can't really find a situation from either plot that would be considered normal in the real world. I mean, I'm not American so hopefully, someone corrects me if I'm wrong, but I'm 100% sure that the hazing rituals done for the DIKs were far from normal. The same can be said for the HOTs. The situations in both games are very out of the ordinary. You'd be hard-pressed to find anything in real life that emulates the situations in both games.
I certainly agree with your sentiments with regard to the girls having their interests, I think as long as the dev wrote the script in a way that made it so you could find a way to maybe pique their interest, that would do the trick. As you say, at the end of the day, it's still a game, and the dev has to create a multitude of characters to give the player 'options' since not everyone is into the same thing.
Yep - I am with ya. I consider the D&D sessions in BADik to be a 100% waste of development time. They add borderline nothing to the game from a relationship or narrative progression standpoint.
Ya, let's use Bella as an example as you and I are both on her route - right now, we are not in an exclusive relationship with Bella. Rumors are going around that we are, but we've never had a conversation with Bella about this as she basically ran and is now fortified in her bedroom in hiding.
please don't think badly of me but my answer to your question is yesI certainly agree with your sentiments with regard to the girls having their interests, I think as long as the dev wrote the script in a way that made it so you could find a way to maybe pique their interest, that would do the trick. As you say, at the end of the day, it's still a game, and the dev has to create a multitude of characters to give the player 'options' since not everyone is into the same thing.
All I am saying is having more guys around would add some realism in the regard that the MC wouldn't be the only male LI around, but yeah, you're not going to avoid having all the LI characters not have some degree of interest in the MC, as their entire purpose is to create variety for the many different folks playing the game.
Yep - I am with ya. I consider the D&D sessions in BADik to be a 100% waste of development time. They add borderline nothing to the game from a relationship or narrative progression standpoint.
Having said that, Ocean may (and likely, will) do a significantly better job of incorporating conversation during the game in a productive way that actually moves things forward with the interaction between MC and the other characters.
Ya, let's use Bella as an example as you and I are both on her route - right now, we are not in an exclusive relationship with Bella. Rumors are going around that we are, but we've never had a conversation with Bella about this as she basically ran and is now fortified in her bedroom in hiding.
So how would you react at this point (remember, not exclusive yet) if she comes back to school in a week or so, completely avoids the MC, but eventually you hear she's 'talking' with some other guy or is just seen around the halls with another dude who's walking her to classes, etc.? Would you have an emotional meltdown (it's okay if the answer is yes, I'm just asking, not judging or criticizing)? For me in that situation, I'd be offended but I wouldn't completely flip out just from her talking to another guy. Now if the character started getting sexual with another guy while we had something sort of going / developing (like we do with Bella now), I'd just write her off and look for another woman (would do the same thing IRL, too) - if I just saw her with another guy or heard she was talking with another dude / dating etc. I would just want a route in the game where I could have a good lane of communication to see what was up, especially after the result of the date we'd just had in an attempt to put the cards on the table so-to-speak.
To LadyFortuna's point - I see the same thing she described - in so many games if some (not all, but some) players so much as detect another male sniffing around the area their LI was in, they declare NTR and go nuts. So I do find it fascinating to see what other players are okay and not okay with. And in a story like this, where the developer is intending romantic relationship development as the main priority, having other guys involved sometimes really can help with that because when jealousy comes into play (as long as cheating doesn't occur) it can really resolve in a heartfelt way when two characters realize they really care about each other and handle things in a mature manner - Bella has already had a few instances where she gets irritated / jealous because the MC just mentions another female's name or goes and says hi to one - that can go both ways. If the LI is talking to another good looking guy and the player is a little jealous but the LI isn't really up to anything nefarious, just having an innocent chat (think Josy with Lucas in the cafeteria in Being A DIK and then expand it to be more repetitive in terms of interactions, possibly flirtatious if there is no exclusivity) that can drive additional emotional attachment in a good way.
I gotcha, no worries, no judgment from me, was just curious how others looked at those situations.
Like you said nothing with Bella is confirmed. That she is in a relationship with us. Do i want to date her yes, But clearly she moved on with another guy. Does that make me upset yes, But sometimes it's ok to let go and find another person to share your new moments with.I certainly agree with your sentiments with regard to the girls having their interests, I think as long as the dev wrote the script in a way that made it so you could find a way to maybe pique their interest, that would do the trick. As you say, at the end of the day, it's still a game, and the dev has to create a multitude of characters to give the player 'options' since not everyone is into the same thing.
All I am saying is having more guys around would add some realism in the regard that the MC wouldn't be the only male LI around, but yeah, you're not going to avoid having all the LI characters not have some degree of interest in the MC, as their entire purpose is to create variety for the many different folks playing the game.
Yep - I am with ya. I consider the D&D sessions in BADik to be a 100% waste of development time. They add borderline nothing to the game from a relationship or narrative progression standpoint.
Having said that, Ocean may (and likely, will) do a significantly better job of incorporating conversation during the game in a productive way that actually moves things forward with the interaction between MC and the other characters.
Ya, let's use Bella as an example as you and I are both on her route - right now, we are not in an exclusive relationship with Bella. Rumors are going around that we are, but we've never had a conversation with Bella about this as she basically ran and is now fortified in her bedroom in hiding.
So how would you react at this point (remember, not exclusive yet) if she comes back to school in a week or so, completely avoids the MC, but eventually you hear she's 'talking' with some other guy or is just seen around the halls with another dude who's walking her to classes, etc.? Would you have an emotional meltdown (it's okay if the answer is yes, I'm just asking, not judging or criticizing)? For me in that situation, I'd be offended but I wouldn't completely flip out just from her talking to another guy. Now if the character started getting sexual with another guy while we had something sort of going / developing (like we do with Bella now), I'd just write her off and look for another woman (would do the same thing IRL, too) - if I just saw her with another guy or heard she was talking with another dude / dating etc. I would just want a route in the game where I could have a good lane of communication to see what was up, especially after the result of the date we'd just had in an attempt to put the cards on the table so-to-speak.
I hate to break it to you, but Bella is cheating on you, with almost all the participants in this topic and I'm sure there are many others.
I disagree all I would have to do is find her
Leia, Nami, and Sasha. What's their connection?
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If life would be even fractionally as interesting as these games, they wouldn't be made in the first place XD. Gotta say, all the girls within the game really do have soul; not one female actor in this VN has not given me an impression of life. A to Z, I could go through each girl and tell you exactly what makes them, well them. The standard is so god damn high it puts Damian to shame, bless him. As an example, Ocean could've had Amber be just a generic psychiatrist, and yet she exudes this motherly feeling through every single action she partakes. No matter how reassuring she is when she listens to protag, or is a strong actor for Nojiko or Marla, she still has her openings when it comes to Bella. Also as a sidenote, not tryna have a jab but I believe in characters such as Jill and Maya to be quite realistic, Isabella or Quinn are like on the ends of the spectrum for their sort of personalities to pop in reality. The sexuality thing as far as my mind takes me is that she simply wasn't interested but she and Josy went a long time back, so it was kinda like alright lets try? I'm not too sure, but her demeanor is good.You're definitely right that what MC and Bella did was out of the ordinary. But the same can be said for BADIK. You can't really find a situation from either plot that would be considered normal in the real world. I mean, I'm not American so hopefully, someone corrects me if I'm wrong, but I'm 100% sure that the hazing rituals done for the DIKs were far from normal. The same can be said for the HOTs. The situations in both games are very out of the ordinary. You'd be hard-pressed to find anything in real life that emulates the situations in both games.
What I was saying, was that the female characters in Summer's Gone were more realistic and better written than BADIK. And it's true from a literary perspective. Not only that, but Summer's Gone is the first AVN where I can find myself relating to the female characters. Women are written terribly in most of the AVNs on this site. So to have come across Summer's Gone was like a breath of fresh air to me. Believe it or not, there are a lot of girls like Bella, Nami, Mila, Nia, etc. in the real world. You will not find girls like Jill, Isabella, Quinn, or Maya out in the real world. Lesbians do not magically change due to a guy being handsome and well endowed. That's not how sexuality works... unless that person was never an actual lesbian. One of my best friends behaves very similarly to Sonya(former-muslim and everything), and she's a real woman. I myself share a lot of similarities with Bella... I cannot say the same for any other female character on this site.
My point was that you'd have better chances finding real people similar to the characters in Summer's Gone, than the ones in BADIK. But we can most definitely agree on one thing... no other AVN on this site beats those two when it comes to immersion. No other AVN can even compare when it comes to that. The quality of both AVNs is nearly unmatched. That's one thing we can definitely agree on
Vidal, my man, I totally get you. Bella is love, Bella is life.
