Razrback16

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The thing with animations like this is ...

... well ...

... i want to play a game, not watch porn.

Don't get me wrong, nothing against Oceanlab and his works he puts in his animations. They are a mighty tool for storytelling, and he has proofen this many times in this game, but - in my opinion - it will be never more, it just won't fit into a h-scene.

The rework of WIAB is a great example of this. While the sex with Miru there is quality wise done extremely well, i can't really find it erotic, it misses something, and that is imagination or let's call it "head cinema", excuse the crude way of desribe it with this poor term... Just compare it to the description of a scene in a book and the later film version. The movie doesn't do the book justice - never.

A well writen scene with static renders can contain way more erotic than a high qualtiy animation. I can - and will - always pull the Gracie scene on the roofs of the Town of Lucania from The Deluca Family as example, that scene was a "only" a frigging kiss, but i was boiling over with erotic, it have rarely seen so much erotic in such a - content wise - innocent scene, if at all in any game i have played till now.
I understand what you're saying, but I do disagree in some areas - I think animations done right will really add to the intimate scenes. Things such as kissing (such as the Jill kiss in Episode 4 of Being A DIK after the date with her) can add a lot of emotional attachment between characters on-screen and ratchet up the intimacy during a sex scene as well. A properly detailed scene of a LI on top riding the MC in a slow, intimate way can be well-combined with static renders to give the scene the right conveyance to the audience, and I'm in favor of shorter animations in such an instance, nothing real long where the whole scene feels animated or anything, but just a proper combination of the two methods would get my vote for sure.
 

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You most likely misunderstood my wording! I like this game very much it has very beautiful graphics and high quality! I just want to see more beautiful animation in this game! ;)
If the trade is 300 renders per 1 animation, then I think many would consistently opt for the renders. Animations are 'payoffs' - and given how much time it takes to produce quality animation, they should be used sparingly for key story moments / endings to allow more story to be told.
 
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You most likely misunderstood my wording! I like this game very much it has very beautiful graphics and high quality! I just want to see more beautiful animation in this game! ;)
I understood you very well, but i - for myself - don't put much value into animations. I just disagree with you about the further use of animation like the one you have posted as an example.

But hey, i will for sure don't judge you for this, we have just diffrent opinions - and this is totally fine by me. The other way around life would be so boring...

At the end of the day not my or your wishes count, but only the vision Ocean has for his game - and that is the only thing that matters!

Peace!
 

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I understand what you're saying, but I do disagree in some areas - I think animations done right will really add to the intimate scenes. Things such as kissing (such as the Jill kiss in Episode 4 of Being A DIK after the date with her) can add a lot of emotional attachment between characters on-screen and ratchet up the intimacy during a sex scene as well. A properly detailed scene of a LI on top riding the MC in a slow, intimate way can be well-combined with static renders to give the scene the right conveyance to the audience, and I'm in favor of shorter animations in such an instance, nothing real long where the whole scene feels animated or anything, but just a proper combination of the two methods would get my vote for sure.
It's a dangerous balancing act, who decides what is the right length for short animations like the one you described?
Ocean may think it's good, but in the end it's the "customer" who decides about the product. And an h-scene run through with a dirty animation can be very disappointing. Ok, the likelihood of Ocean screwing up an animation in any way is extremely low, but it's always possible that it won't go down as well as expected.
 

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It's a dangerous balancing act, who decides what is the right length for short animations like the one you described?
Ocean may think it's good, but in the end it's the "customer" who decides about the product. And an h-scene run through with a dirty animation can be very disappointing. Ok, the likelihood of Ocean screwing up an animation in any way is extremely low, but it's always possible that it won't go down as well as expected.
One thing we can agree on here is that it's definitely up to the customer. So far people seem to like the animations in the game based on the reviews.
 
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Have you tried... I don't know... actually playing the game? What do you know about this game aside from the fact that it does not feature adult content? I've noticed that you're rather new here(on F95), so I'll give you some advice. Next time, please consider actually playing the game before commenting on which site it belongs to. It'd also do you great favors to actually read the first post on their threads. The ones all about the AVN. On this thread, there's a section on that post labeled "Developer Notes". Usually, they tend to give you a pretty good indicator of whether or not that game is suitable for you. I'd recommend giving them a read next time♡
Well I'm on F95 for games with adult content so why would I play a comparitively mediocre game if it doesn't at least have the adult content I'm looking for?
 

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Well I'm on F95 for games with adult content so why would I play a comparitively mediocre game if it doesn't at least have the adult content I'm looking for?
How would you know it's mediocre if you haven't actually played it? So... let me get this straight. You came to this thread, skimmed through it a bit, skimmed through the reviews a bit, then came to the conclusion that this game was mediocre and on the wrong site? Are you aware of how dumb that sounds?
 
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How would you know it's mediocre if you haven't actually played it? So... let me get this straight. You came to this thread, skimmed through it a bit, skimmed through the reviews a bit, then came to the conclusion that this game was mediocre and on the wrong site? Are you aware of how dumb that sounds?
Huh? Is this game on the level of Mass Effect? Or Horizon Zero Dawn? Or GTA? Fuck no. So lets not play semantic games. I did say comparitively did I not. Adult games are never triple A titles so lets be real. We come here for porn games and if this doesn't deliver on the porn part it may be decent by porn standards but lets be real here. Thus game is mediocre at best stacked up against "real" games.

So I ask again, why bother with an adult game with no adult content?
 

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So I ask again, why bother with an adult game with no adult content?
The game is on like Chapter 4 (to be released soon) of ~30...it's not very far along my dude. And the game is advertised as a slower burn narrative title, meaning the developer wants to develop the story and characters a bit before introducing lewd content.

And so far this is a very good game, IMO, so why not give it a shot?
 

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Now you're comparing Adult Visual Novels developed mostly as hobbies or passion projects(usually by one person), to triple-A titles developed by studios with dozens of employees and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of funding? Sir, I've never made any comments in regards to anyone's intelligence before in reference to comments like these, but you've brought me really close today lol. You came here for porn. Some are looking for romance. Some are looking for a good story. Some are searching for something deeper than your standard pornographic game. What you did was come here complaining about this particular game without knowing anything about it. You complained about something you knew nothing about. Does that make any sense to you?

Furthermore, there's a massive number of games on this site. Not every developer is trying to create a scenario straight out of a porn movie. There are quite a few games here that take themselves seriously when it comes to providing an actual story for their players. Summer's Gone is one of those such games. Now one thing I've realized, speaking to you, is that our views on the game are subjective. So I digress. Though I still don't understand why you're making these comments on the game having not tried it. Slow-burn AVNs usually put the story first, with the adult content brought in further on down the line. But this is one of the things you'd know, had you played the actual game instead of complaining about it.
 
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So I ask again, why bother with an adult game with no adult content?
There are games on this site which have no sexual content as well (not that many, but there are a few).

Also, there are games which have very slow burn in terms of how the storyline progresses where sex doesn't come quickly, but much later in the game. Yet in such games the story is great and keeps players engaged (examples of such games would be "Rebirth" "The DeLuca Family").

So as Razrback16 said above, why don't you just first try out the game and judge for yourself (after completing) whether you like it or not?
Who knows, the story might surprise you (or not). I mean I like it, and the characters, but you'd need to experience it to really find out whether it's for you or not.

I just find it is a bit pointless trying to argue "why bother" with other folks if I haven't even played the said game and tried it out.
Or the alternative could be you just moving onto another game that is right for you, if you believe sexual content is the absolute "make or break" condition for your enjoyment.
 
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Well to be honest I think I do remember playing the first release 3 years ago and being very disturbed with it. I recall a scene where you point and fire a gun at a school teacher not knowing there are blanks in it while a pedestrian bleeds out and then you see said teacher the next day and nobody seemed to care there was an attempted murder by a student.

I merely came here to verify that in the 3 years since not a single adult scene took place. I mean come on. 3 fricking years of development? I mean the MC is obviously a sociopath from what that first release showed and he couldn't get any action in all that time? Not one drunken hookup? Not one time he could manipulate at least some girl?

Maybe I'm just jaded by the numerous devs who know what we are "really" here for and once the LI dominos start falling one by one the support starts to go by the wayside when the story starts to wind down. Maybe it really is as great now as you all seem to think, but from what I have seen years ago and the fact the story hasn't seemed to move forward much I'll just have to check back in 10-15 years and see if sex is indeed allowed in this devs little universe.

I'm out.
 

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Well to be honest I think I do remember playing the first release 3 years ago and being very disturbed with it. I recall a scene where you point and fire a gun at a school teacher not knowing there are blanks in it while a pedestrian bleeds out and then you see said teacher the next day and nobody seemed to care there was an attempted murder by a student.

I merely came here to verify that in the 3 years since not a single adult scene took place. I mean come on. 3 fricking years of development? I mean the MC is obviously a sociopath from what that first release showed and he couldn't get any action in all that time? Not one drunken hookup? Not one time he could manipulate at least some girl?

Maybe I'm just jaded by the numerous devs who know what we are "really" here for and once the LI dominos start falling one by one the support starts to go by the wayside when the story starts to wind down. Maybe it really is as great now as you all seem to think, but from what I have seen years ago and the fact the story hasn't seemed to move forward much I'll just have to check back in 10-15 years and see if sex is indeed allowed in this devs little universe.

I'm out.
Byeeee. Though you should know that the game you've experienced has since been changed from that to something less dark. You should also know that Oceanlabs did not spearhead the version that you'd played, unlike the version that is here today. Jaded or not, your comments were still pretty dumb, I'm sorry. I hope you do find something that fits you though. Once again, byeeee♡

P.S: A lot's happened in those 3 years btw. But have fun I guess lol. I don't think this community will fall apart now that there's one less person pirating this game lol.
 

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Byeeee. Though you should know that the game you've experienced has since been changed from that to something less dark. You should also know that Oceanlabs did not spearhead the version that you'd played, unlike the version that is here today. Jaded or not, your comments were still pretty dumb, I'm sorry. I hope you do find something that fits you though. Once again, byeeee♡
You know instead of making a long explanation with paragraphs, he could have just said in one sentence (considering they basically ended up meaning the same thing lol) "Sorry, can't enjoy my games without the sex." :ROFLMAO:
 
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Well I originally came here to ask a simple question but then super fan here went on a long rant about how people shouldn't be allowed to come to this game thread and ask simple questions. Like even questioning this game or the dev has somehow injured them personally. Like get a grip. It's just a game, a mediocre game but a still a game I guess.
 

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Well I originally came here to ask a simple question but then super fan here went on a long rant about how people shouldn't be allowed to come to this game thread and ask simple questions. Like even questioning this game or the dev has somehow injured them personally. Like get a grip. It's just a game, a mediocre game but a still a game I guess.
I thought you were leaving lol
 

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Lel this game really lived up to it's intro screen of this game contains no sex.

I mean the game is great but at the same time it's like let's have the MC build a relationship, oh we start a scene where the MC is about to get laid.... OOPS someone enters to interupt.

Or wow things are getting really hot between MC and XXXXX they've really built a relationship and bonded! Let's introduce a new character to the game and start all over again on relationship building!

Now that you've gotten through the young girls let's start introducing some milfs/teachers!

Building relationships and introducing new characters the game! Pretty much :D

Again still a great game
 

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Well we have quite a lot of attention seekers nowdays.people been supporting this game for long time in the developing time and still some people just came to the thread starts to criticize out of nowhere (just before the developing process going to finish) avn mean adult visual novel not porn game there are lot of porn game in this site starts giving lewd in every tags without any story behind it why don't people try them instead no one forced anyone to play this did they?
 

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Lel this game really lived up to it's intro screen of this game contains no sex.

I mean the game is great but at the same time it's like let's have the MC build a relationship, oh we start a scene where the MC is about to get laid.... OOPS someone enters to interupt.

Or wow things are getting really hot between MC and XXXXX they've really built a relationship and bonded! Let's introduce a new character to the game and start all over again on relationship building!

Now that you've gotten through the young girls let's start introducing some milfs/teachers!

Building relationships and introducing new characters the game! Pretty much :D
Actually no. The lack of sex scenes is neither caused by the constant introduction of new characters nor by some annoying blue-ballers but by the MC himself. His depression affects him to point of causing sexual dysfunction and a complete lack of desire. He has never been closed to get laid so far, he doesn't give a fuck. As for the most developed relationship for now ( Bella ), while there's obviously some sexual tension, none of them are ready to give it a try.

In the end, that's just a slow burn with a depressed MC. Sure, a traditional Porn VN MC would have already banged half of the side girls ( Nia, Ayuya, Robin...). But it's not like players have not been warned.
 

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Actually no. The lack of sex scenes is neither caused by the constant introduction of new characters nor by some annoying blue-ballers but by the MC himself. His depression affects him to point of causing sexual dysfunction and a complete lack of desire. He has never been closed to get laid so far, he doesn't give a fuck. As for the most developed relationship for now ( Bella ), while there's obviously some sexual tension, none of them are ready to give it a try.

In the end, that's just a slow burn with a depressed MC. Sure, a traditional Porn VN MC would have already banged half of the side girls ( Nia, Ayuya, Robin...). But it's not like players have not been warned.
Just to clarify my post was not a complaint I did actually appreciate and like the game. But what I wrote was my honest feelings after playing it when it came to the erotic part and unless we played different games I am pretty sure at the end of part 3 or if it was 3.5 not sure he was about to get sexual with one of the girls (Nami to be specific if I remember the name right) and then another one walks in and then they break it off. I thought the memes in the sex gallery was pertty funny and spot on which was why I wrote what I did.

Also this is not towards you Darkdevil66 but I have no idea what this seemingly hostile tension is about with the recent posts on here. Since I didn't even read anything on here before posting and my post is not to bash on the game. I did as mentioned think it's a great game it was just that with the intro scene and then after checking the gallery I couldn't help but do a post that at least in my mind pointed at me thinking it was a good game but at the same time playing off the meme going on in the gallery. While I have heard of this game before this was my actual first time trying it out.
 
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