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Really? Nick seemed pretty chill to me.
I'd say Zara's got an inferiority complex because people probably praised her "smart, beautiful, and overall amazing" older sister, and she could have been (feeling) overshadowed by her growing up. Her over-competitiveness might have been a cry for attention.
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Nope ... will not be untill dev gets through the 600 renders and puts a final on this chapter.
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IF you want an in-game instead of a pdf:
The walkthrough MOD from Scrappy is updated to chapter 4 BETA, you can even get a virus-free patch for it
The link is on the first page
I started playing Chapter 1, and I'll just leave some of my initial thoughts here:
I'm impressed by the renders and some of the camerawork during the introduction, I've never really seen such a dynamic approach to these kind of games. The UI could do with some polish, the classic RenPy format looks a bit dodgy, but it isn't that big of a deal in all honesty.
The music during the intro sequence was passable, but it didn't really leave an impression. I hope that in later chapters music becomes more consistent and generally just kept in the background as the story progresses. Having dead silence while reading the campy dialogue is depressing.
The dialogue is pretty camp. So far, there hasn't been a single line that felt like it came from an actual human being. But I'm hopeful that's only temporary.
I don't mind the classic incel protagonist trope all that much, I can only acknowledge the Sasuke hair and the vague, typecast statements about society, and hope that it grows on me somehow. Man, the characters they've introduced so far are so comically trope-y. I don't like a single one, I've read reviews and it seems like that should change with time.
The creator is a one piece fan though, I don't know why Nami is the abomination she is right now currently but again, I hope for quite the turnaround. Hopefully the writing isn't of the same quality of the recent one piece arc, I actually want to have a good time.
I'm impressed by the renders and some of the camerawork during the introduction, I've never really seen such a dynamic approach to these kind of games. The UI could do with some polish, the classic RenPy format looks a bit dodgy, but it isn't that big of a deal in all honesty.
The music during the intro sequence was passable, but it didn't really leave an impression. I hope that in later chapters music becomes more consistent and generally just kept in the background as the story progresses. Having dead silence while reading the campy dialogue is depressing.
The dialogue is pretty camp. So far, there hasn't been a single line that felt like it came from an actual human being. But I'm hopeful that's only temporary.
I don't mind the classic incel protagonist trope all that much, I can only acknowledge the Sasuke hair and the vague, typecast statements about society, and hope that it grows on me somehow. Man, the characters they've introduced so far are so comically trope-y. I don't like a single one, I've read reviews and it seems like that should change with time.
The creator is a one piece fan though, I don't know why Nami is the abomination she is right now currently but again, I hope for quite the turnaround. Hopefully the writing isn't of the same quality of the recent one piece arc, I actually want to have a good time.
If you have just started playing Chapter 1, you might want to stop now. The final Chapter 4 release will include a revamped Chapter 1.
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Well, it seems this VN is simply not for you. That is fine, but I doubt it will get better for you.
Especially when everything everyone likes about it, is something you don't like - at least that is how I read your post. Like, to go for the most obvious, most of us like how alive and real the characters feel and you write "So far, there hasn't been a single line that felt like it came from an actual human being.".
I am a bit sad for you honestly, like when I play one of my favorite songs to someone and he is like "meh, it is ok I guess - BARELY.".
But then there are many VNs with 5 star ratings here that just don't click with me. Good thing we all like different stuff, else the world would be pretty bland.
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Typical F95...Well, it seems this VN is simply not for you. That is fine, but I doubt it will get better for you.
Especially when everything everyone likes about it, is something you don't like - at least that is how I read your post. Like, to go for the most obvious, most of us like how alive and real the characters feel and you write "So far, there hasn't been a single line that felt like it came from an actual human being.".
I am a bit sad for you honestly, like when I play one of my favorite songs to someone and he is like "meh, it is ok I guess - BARELY.".
But then there are many VNs with 5 star ratings here that just don't click with me. Good thing we all like different stuff, else the world would be pretty bland.
Dude posts his initial impressions of the introductory chapter giving both praise and criticism in a respectful manner and clearly stating his intention to keep going, yet a toxic thinly veiled attack is what he receives in response for offering anything less than unanimous praise.
"... this VN is simply not for you," "... I doubt it will get better for you," because hes not head over heels about a chapter even the developer saw the need to completely retrofit.
The rampant yes man behavior endemic in F95 communities is like a disease, I swear. Idk why I replied to this knowing it'll only provoke additional t-cells.
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just wanna say thanks for a good game
First ever post on f95, I'm usually just lurking and reading. First impressions are important, but they are usually irrelevant once you get hooked. Unpolished UI, missing images, glitches are all things you can forgive when you're just interested in continuing the story.
I always find it super difficult to get started, even new books where the author has the possibility to shuffle or completely rewrite the opening before the book is even released. The author is usually experimenting with styles, and haven't found a proper workflow yet. Try to get through the first chapter, things really kick off later on.
That being said, as others have mentioned Ocean is going back and reworking Chapter 1, see #8431919, which I imagine is probably just as difficult as starting a new chapter, involving new scenes, better models, rewritten script. I think the new renders look absolutely stunning and on-par with the quality in later chapters. Considering that there isn't really any new content (story) being added, but touching up the overall quality of the whole game, very brave, it speaks to their interest in quality over quantity. Practice makes perfect, Ocean's other story that's being developed in parallel, Where It All Began, had a much more better start.
For the dialogue, I've read plenty of novels where it feels very plastic. At least for the first chapter, I get it, when you're just starting out working on a story, you're trying to figure out the environment, game mechanics, etc. The Darkness mechanic seems to have been completely scrapped after Chapter 1, for example. But as I said before, after having completed the game several times, even decompiling the script files to make sure I haven't missed any sequences, it becomes irrelevant. And when there are holes, you fill them with your imagination.
Quick note on the music, it's really hard to get licensed music for this type of game, there's been a lot of discussion about it on this forum. From my understanding, Ocean just got some sweet deals, expect great things, I think it's already much improved in the last chapters. I've found that a chill ambient mix on YouTube complements game silence quite nicely.
If you don't enjoy it, that's fine, you'll likely encounter a few people that will try to strongly defend it here, like with anything really. I was really on the fence at first, with the scene quality and a story and set-up that I found ridiculous. I'm not a hardcore anime fan, when I saw that mop of hair and the mood, I was really put off. I was trying to find something to live up to Being A DIK (Derek!) and was really put off by the first chapter, now I think it's one of the best novels I've ever encountered, given that I found it on F95 (and not a national literature competition). Unfortunately, the only way you'll know whether you enjoy it is to keep going.
Do I wish for a iron-tight script, flawless renders and frequent releases? Of course, but this is already super impressive given that it's a one-man show. I was completely taken back by the image quality in the last chapter, you could easily mistake it for a small budget film or a triple-A game cinematic. I did find it to be a waste of precious update, considering its length and independence from the main story, but given the amount of planned content in the future, it will be an interesting "intermission". Huge thanks to Ocean for making this, it motivated me and pushed me through my final Bachelor exams, despite the "post-book blues" that I got. I came for the porn, stayed for the story.
When someone dishes out hyperboles like "So far, there hasn't been a single line that felt like it came from an actual human being", it's not exactly respectful, regardless whether they meant it like that or not.
Ocean's dialogue definitely needs improvement even now, but I've seen much worse on this site.
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Particularly if they are judging a translation
If you are fluent in Ocean's native tongue and read his native tongue dialogue and feel like that is accurate then it might be valid. But translations are only as good as the translator so dialogue critique is useless and pointless.
PEACE
Just finished Chapter 3.
I initially didn't really know how to gauge the quality of story. It seems to receive high praise in this thread and it specifically hones in on the fact that story takes precedence over sexual content. But after adjusting my expectations, I did manage to get through two chapters without any serious misgivings. That being said, most of what I criticised from the first chapter still remains. I appreciate things a lot more now though, some things can be so bad that they become good. I've actually collected a few lines that were particularly shit.
The MC is still insufferable, but in an entertaining way at least. In a lot of ways, this game feels like an incel's wet dream, but you could extend this to literally any anime, h-game or pornhwa, it just struck me a lot while I was playing. Some of his edgelord outbursts are great though. Bro literally said Bella's car looked like it had cancer and extended that to Bella by calling her a tumor (he wasn't wrong either, that wrap was ugly). Despite the cancer car, the animation sequence with it and Bella was good, I always look forward to them while playing. Except the one fight scene, that was just hilarious.
In terms of the characters, I can at least fire off a few that I like now. Jeffrey is a real one, I liked the Ronnie Coleman bit when the MC went to the gym with him. Victoria still has that thousand yard stare that I can't get over. Maja and the Scarface girl are hot. Sonya is cute. Nami is still an autist. Ayua is a based Judo-enjoyer (and hot). Bella seems to be where I'm heading love-interest wise though, not because of a particular preference but it just ended up that way.
I still don't see what the hype was about with the story and the characters; Bella's backstory in particular and other character's heart-to-heart's with the MC seem way too on the nose and sudden to me. At this point, I'm three chapters in so I'll just be riding the rest of it out.
I initially didn't really know how to gauge the quality of story. It seems to receive high praise in this thread and it specifically hones in on the fact that story takes precedence over sexual content. But after adjusting my expectations, I did manage to get through two chapters without any serious misgivings. That being said, most of what I criticised from the first chapter still remains. I appreciate things a lot more now though, some things can be so bad that they become good. I've actually collected a few lines that were particularly shit.
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The MC is still insufferable, but in an entertaining way at least. In a lot of ways, this game feels like an incel's wet dream, but you could extend this to literally any anime, h-game or pornhwa, it just struck me a lot while I was playing. Some of his edgelord outbursts are great though. Bro literally said Bella's car looked like it had cancer and extended that to Bella by calling her a tumor (he wasn't wrong either, that wrap was ugly). Despite the cancer car, the animation sequence with it and Bella was good, I always look forward to them while playing. Except the one fight scene, that was just hilarious.
In terms of the characters, I can at least fire off a few that I like now. Jeffrey is a real one, I liked the Ronnie Coleman bit when the MC went to the gym with him. Victoria still has that thousand yard stare that I can't get over. Maja and the Scarface girl are hot. Sonya is cute. Nami is still an autist. Ayua is a based Judo-enjoyer (and hot). Bella seems to be where I'm heading love-interest wise though, not because of a particular preference but it just ended up that way.
I still don't see what the hype was about with the story and the characters; Bella's backstory in particular and other character's heart-to-heart's with the MC seem way too on the nose and sudden to me. At this point, I'm three chapters in so I'll just be riding the rest of it out.
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Toxic and thinly veiled attack? My dear, there was nothing toxic about Old Man Al's comment. It was a comment made due to an observation of the tone of NTRFruitSnack's comment(which was negative, to begin with). People criticize SG all the time here... in fact, I tend to critique it a lot myself. No one's attacking him for not being "head over heels" for the first chapter, after all, it's his initial thoughts. In fact, I'll take a look at that right now.Typical F95...
Dude posts his initial impressions of the introductory chapter giving both praise and criticism in a respectful manner and clearly stating his intention to keep going, yet a toxic thinly veiled attack is what he receives in response for offering anything less than unanimous praise.
"... this VN is simply not for you," "... I doubt it will get better for you," because hes not head over heels about a chapter even the developer saw the need to completely retrofit.
The rampant yes man behavior endemic in F95 communities is like a disease, I swear. Idk why I replied to this knowing it'll only provoke additional t-cells.
It does improve in later chapters. Unfortunately, you came before the final version has been released. In the upcoming update, chapter 1 will receive many changes, a lot of which address your points as they're also areas that the developer(Oceanlabs) wasn't very pleased with.
The problem in regards to music is not one that has an easy solution. However, I am happy to say that it becomes better in later chapters. I understand where you're coming from in regards to background music because it assists with immersing you into the world of SG. It helps enthral you in each scene. Having no music lowers the quality of the experience, so in that regard, I get it.
How long have you been on this website? There are not that many visual novels here with realistic dialogue. Oceanlabs is not a native English speaker, so the problem lies in the translation. It's not exactly easy to acquire someone that can flawlessly translate German to English(in a way that fits with the tone of the scene/story/characters). Not saying that the dialogue isn't an issue, but giving an explanation as to why it's in this state. Though it does moderately improve with each chapter. And believe it or not, there are many real, living people just like the characters in Summer's Gone. But you are only on chapter 1, so I won't be hard on you there.
There are tropes in every single story. There is not a single story without one, so I do not understand the negative tone of this paragraph. He fulfills the trope of a dark/cynical protagonist on a road to redemption. This story is about his journey to become a better person(and overcome the issues that make him a dark person). I'm just going to give you a heads-up and let you know that this isn't changing anytime soon. You can make choices that guide him toward being less of a dark person, but he's not going to change fundamentally. He's not going to ever be a bro or a stud. What separates him from 90% of the protagonists on this website is that he has demons that he has to overcome by the end of this story. That internal plot is one of the driving forces behind Summer's Gone. But this is your opinion, so take my comment with a grain of salt.
You're actually the first person I've come across on this thread with that view of Nami. The writing of her character can indeed use some work, but I wouldn't call her an "abomination". Then again, this is your opinion, so I can't really argue that. Judging by your comment, as Old Man Al said, many of the things people love about this game, you seem to dislike, so I can't really say that your experience will get any better. seniorboop that's the whole reason Old Man Al said that this did not seem like the VN for him. That comment was nothing compared to the actual toxicity seen in some of the larger threads on this site. For a time, the BaD thread was known for its lawlessness as it got out of control countless times(it's not like that at the moment), this is to say that there are much worse threads here with actual toxicity. Old Man Al was simply calling a spade a spade. If you truly believed that his comment was toxic, then perhaps you haven't been on this site long enough.
Edit: After reading his latest comment, I have to agree with Old Man Al. This visual novel definitely does not seem the type of story for one such as NTRFruitSnackღ
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The trope isn't bad (I actually like brooding protagonists when they're written well), but I think it's badly executed here. It's not a problem anymore, since the bad execution is entertaining in its own right. Sorry if I didn't make that clear in my post.
I said this in my most recent post, but I had high expectations for this game going in. So the hyperbolic nature of me calling Nami an "abomination" was the result of me expecting too much and then being met with a character who I felt was overly quirky to the point it felt forced (she isn't that bad though).