VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Sancho1969]

Yes, I get that you have your opinion which is fine and all, but just because a definition doesnt fit your opinion, it doesn't mean it's "subjective"... When we say "AVN", no one thinks of... I dunno, Telltale's Walking Dead games... we all think "bewbs". Definitions exist for a reason, you can't go around saying "dog" expecting people to understand "cat" just because in your opinion dogs and cats are house pets with 4 legs and a tail and they both lick their balls and therefore they're pretty much the same.

Amen brother. 'Nuff said there, since that 'bout covers most of the the problems in today's world we all must live in.

 

[Sancho1969]

Steam's policies change every year, who knows what games they will allow a year from now.

Well... not so much. Steam is one of (and always has been) the most lenient of distribution platforms. Their entire business is built on that philosophy tbh. But, yes, anything can happen these days so I'll give you that... no doubt there. We've all seen things done IRL the past couple of years that have made all our jaws drop in disbelief.

 

[Massagecook01]

Of course he wants to double dip. A lot of people defend the steam release because that means there won't be anymore remakes or so they say but what happens in 5 years when season 2 is ready to be released on steam but steam has changed most of their policies including their nudity policy. What's going to happen then? Will ocean completely cut every nude scene in the game to keep it on steam? Probably.

Steam's policies change every year, who knows what games they will allow a year from now.

well i believe every AVN gamer that loves lewd content sould buy all the AVNs they can before the PC police comes to steam and we all will only get VNs with no nudes or sex, like you said patreon is already to the point of banning certain AVNs how much longer will steam become that way, i say very soon if trends progress the way they have in the last couple years.

 

[Dessolos]

Yes, I get that you have your opinion which is fine and all, but just because a definition doesnt fit your opinion, it doesn't mean it's "subjective"... When we say "AVN", no one thinks of... I dunno, Telltale's Walking Dead games... we all think "bewbs". Definitions exist for a reason, you can't go around saying "dog" expecting people to understand "cat" just because in your opinion dogs and cats are house pets with 4 legs and a tail and they both lick their balls and therefore they're pretty much the same.

When you put it like that yeah I get more of what you mean or why people would say something isn't an AVN cause boobs is the most popular genre of AVN. Probably some out there but rare for a AVN to be like Dexter or Game of Thrones without the lewds. I think I read to much into the "A" with my opinion when I see someone the says X isn't an AVN but I can see it clear as day from my point of view. Especially cause I dont play for lewds and see them as a nice bonus or reward I have bit of a skewed view of what an AVN is to most people.

I do still think Summer's Gone is far from not being considered an AVN personally since there is dark themes , tone and some nudity but that's just my take.

 

[Garvelt]

Of course he wants to double dip. A lot of people defend the steam release because that means there won't be anymore remakes or so they say but what happens in 5 years when season 2 is ready to be released on steam but steam has changed most of their policies including their nudity policy. What's going to happen then? Will ocean completely cut every nude scene in the game to keep it on steam? Probably.

Steam's policies change every year, who knows what games they will allow a year from now.

Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what's going to happen. Definitely. I truly believe Steam is going to censor thousands of games, including AAA games like The Witcher, Baldurs Gate 3 and etc because they have nudity and sex in them. Definitely. Yep. It's going to happen. 100%.

All this complaining because of a few removed nipples and whatnot. In a game that had no sexual content at all thus far. In a game, where the developer made it clear several times that from S2 onwards it's going to feature full nudity, sex and everything else that goes with it. I just don't get it. It's not like this is all was a sudden decision either. I'm pretty sure he announced all this like 9 months ago, maybe more.

 

[DuckDairyDip]

To be fair, it's not like Steam hasn't banned games for pretty bogus reasons if they had risque or lewd content, and even some cases where the games didn't at all. Granted, the main issue, at least in many of these cases, it was because the developers or publishers didn't want the Adult Only tag which would limit visibility and block certain companies from purchasing so refused to add it to their game submission for review. As long as Ocean doesn't try to avoid the Adult Only tag, things should be fine.

 

[Massagecook01]

Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what's going to happen. Definitely. I truly believe Steam is going to censor thousands of games, including AAA games like The Witcher, Baldurs Gate 3 and etc because they have nudity and sex in them. Definitely. Yep. It's going to happen. 100%.

All this complaining because of a few removed nipples and whatnot. In a game that had no sexual content at all thus far. In a game, where the developer made it clear several times that from S2 onwards it's going to feature full nudity, sex and everything else that goes with it. I just don't get it. It's not like this is all was a sudden decision either. I'm pretty sure he announced all this like 9 months ago, maybe more.

i believe by the time ocean fully releases season 2 to steam with nudes and sex and all that jazz and i'm saying that when summers gone season 2 is completely done just like season 1 which will be serveral years from now like 5 years probaly, steam will have changed it's views on nudes and sex in AVNs because patreon is just the beginning of the PC police on platforms for AVNs. thats just my opinion on how things are changing in the gaming world the PC community is powerful. you can't have certain words in games now and incest and it's only beginning.

 

[Siriustalent]

okay I feel like I have been messing around for hours, how the heck do I get this steam update to work on mac?

 

[Sancho1969]

All this complaining because of a few removed nipples and whatnot. In a game that had no sexual content at all thus far. In a game, where the developer made it clear several times that from S2 onwards it's going to feature full nudity, sex and everything else that goes with it. I just don't get it. It's not like this is all was a sudden decision either.

The complaints now are the same as they started two years ago... exactly the same, so those aren't a sudden action either. This isn't about a few nipples or scenes here and there in this one "update". If that's your stance/view then you are missing the whole point imo (again imo).

Also, there's a massive difference in a dev that has not made content yet that fans are waiting for and content that was there and slowly all stripped over the course of two years. So, if the argument being made is that particular content will come later then it holds no water in that bucket full of holes... the content (to a massive degree) was already there. That's difference and one of the main reasons of complaints/objections.

Am I taking what you posted out of context?

To be fair, it's not like Steam hasn't banned games for pretty bogus reasons if they had risque or lewd content, and even some cases where the games didn't at all.

Almost every AAA AVN on this site with very risque (questionable) lewd content is on Steam with zero issue, making gobs of monetary gain which Steam gets a cut of. You know this, right? I still don't believe this has anything to do with Steam at all... but that's opinion, I'm just expressing it.

 

[BearProductions]

looks like your questions are answered :0

 

[Massagecook01]

The complaints now are the same as they started two years ago... exactly the same, so those aren't a sudden action either. This isn't about a few nipples or scenes here and there in this one "update". If that's your stance/view then you are missing the whole point imo (again imo).

Also, there's a massive difference in a dev that has not made content yet that fans are waiting for and content that was there and slowly all stripped over the course of two years. So, if the argument being made is that particular content will come later then it holds no water in that bucket full of holes... the content (to a massive degree) was already there. That's difference and one of the main reasons of complaints/objections.

Am I taking what you posted out of context?


Almost every AAA AVN on this site with very risque lewd content is on Steam with zero issue. You know this, right? I still don't believe this has anything to do with Steam at all... but that's opinion, I'm just expressing it.

i have one AVN game on steam and this deveolper in on patreon and i don't know how in the hell he hasnt been banned on patreon as of yet and he has been on there for at least 4 years now and his game is full of all kinda of lewd and risque content like i would have thought he would be gone in no time but as of now he is making his 2nd game with about if not the same kind of risque lewd content as the first, it's kinda crazy but hey i'm happy he is still making AVNs like that and getting away with it.

 

[Sancho1969]

Dev has just validated all my points for the last two years.
There ya have it. Guess I'll just sip whiskey the rest of the night.
It's all over now if "they're not censored".

Weren't we having a discussion regarding "definitions" earlier?
Jacowboy will see the irony here I reckon.

Y'all have a good one.

 

[Porthas]

looks like your questions are answered :0 View attachment 3635613

I sense...

 

[Massagecook01]

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Dev has just validated all my points for the last two years.
There ya have it. Guess I'll just sip whiskey the rest of the night.
It's all over now if "they're not censored".

Weren't we having a discussion regarding "definitions" earlier?
Jacowboy will see the irony here I reckon.

Y'all have a good one.

i just think and correct me if i'm wrong but the patreons that support ocean with $3 to $100 dollars a month sould get a better version than the supporters on steam with their one time payment of $15 thats just how i think so take it how you like.

 

[Jacowboy]

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Dev has just validated all my points for the last two years.
There ya have it. Guess I'll just sip whiskey the rest of the night.
It's all over now if "they're not censored".

Weren't we having a discussion regarding "definitions" earlier?
Jacowboy will see the irony here I reckon.

Y'all have a good one.

Well you know, there's no different, so it's all fine... =P

 

[Sancho1969]

Well you know, there's no different, so it's all fine... =P

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"they're not censored" ... I'm still giggling. Totally cracks me up.
This whole thing is the technical Webster's definition of persistent censorship.
What planet are we all on again?
It's crazy, ain't it bud?

 

[Jacowboy]

"they're not censored" ... I'm still giggling. Totally cracks me up.
This whole thing is the technical Webster's definition of persistent censorship.
What planet are we all on again?
It's crazy, ain't it bud?

Maybe we just don't have enough of that famed german rizz...

 

[Porthas]

"they're not censored" ... I'm still giggling. Totally cracks me up.
This whole thing is the technical Webster's definition of persistent censorship.
What planet are we all on again?
It's crazy, ain't it bud?

 

[Massagecook01]

"they're not censored" ... I'm still giggling. Totally cracks me up.
This whole thing is the technical Webster's definition of persistent censorship.
What planet are we all on again?
It's crazy, ain't it bud?

i heard the saying things always are worst before they get better, well i've been waiting for things to get better year after year and they havent, the censorship is getter more oand more out of hand as time progresses.

 

[dorio6534]

There's an easier way as it's near futile for us modders to keep fighting against the dev and constantly attempting to repair the VN into something it no longer is and will never be again going forward: Just play Ch5 Beta. That's Season One with everything (basically). Done.

If you no longer have it get it from my buddy SonsOfLiberty in his post here. Then DL SanchoMod from it's OP link. That's the best SG you can get at the moment imho (obviously biased).

No you are 100% correct, hes gimped the actual release from the C5 Beta and its clear that hes selling out for $$ rather than continuing to develop the game as he originally intended in order to get more $$. I can't fault him for being a capitalist, but it sure seems poised to make the game a lot worse/less interesting than what it could have been imo.