Massagecook01

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I'm out of reactions otherwise I'd be smashing the like button on your post. I grew up with a background in art history, so I do consider the whole concept of patronage from the angle of rich people providing food and board like a retainer, so they could get a composer to write something for their daughter's 18th birthday, their wedding anniversary etc. The modern concept of it being directly linked to the reward rather than being completely speculative is a change in the intent, but I think in practice it's good to remember that being a patron is about supporting what you believe in, not paying for a service. In such a context throughout history, no artist has ever delivered 100% what their patrons initially wanted, but over time, history has shown that patronage has moved culture forward. When the majority of culture is downloadable without payment, creators like Ocean have to work hard to justify themselves to the bank and their landlords while they chase a goal of creating something with very uncertain returns.

Consider the steam returns - if you spent 5 years making a game without patrons, would the current level of sales pay off the loans you had for the past 5 years? Of course not. SG and WiaB do exist because of patrons, so whatever I justify, they're the reason I can play and either complain or enjoy any of these games at all.
i see your point very well, a lot of people sponge on not only games from developers but music from artist and tv shows and movies, you can't complain if you aint out no money i believe you have no reason because it's not costing you anything in the first place, instead of crying about what you don't have , like updates and such on a game like summers gone spend that time to appreciate what you have for free that others pay for. it's only right.
 

BobTheDuck

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i see your point very well, a lot of people sponge on not only games from developers but music from artist and tv shows and movies, you can't complain if you aint out no money i believe you have no reason because it's not costing you anything in the first place, instead of crying about what you don't have , like updates and such on a game like summers gone spend that time to appreciate what you have for free that others pay for. it's only right.
100% agreed. Now if only mods here would give us more likes.... :coffee::whistle:
 

Jacowboy

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I seem to remember you having a redhead from another game for your profile pic, so taken that you have a subjective like for redheads, in particular Nami in this case, could your disappointment be due to the content you are most aligned to (Nami's) had the heaviest editing? As far as definitions go, people are saying things like "there are no boobs!" etc because the boob image they subjectively liked the most from the beta or ch4 is missing. So the whole objective argument is a false one - we're all subjective based on our perception and biases. Seeing we can't find common language in the tread, communication is hard when adult means different things to different people. Trying to be objective about language will just lead us further towards Wittgenstein and further from AVN's and we'll debate whether a symbol is even a symbol or just pixels, and one person's perception of those pixels is ....eh. I just vomited at my own words just now.

What I do like is that by raising the issue you're forcing people to articulate what their actual opinion is. That's a definition that matters. Too many people in the thread believe what other people say rather than making their own opinion.
Well I've never had a profile picture in this site, and if I ever do it'll be the same one I use everywhere else (which is my dumbshit mug), sooooo... nope. That said, yes I do like Nami the best in this game, and yes, those cuts bummed me out, but every other single cut shot/scene bummed me out equally, including the MC's shitty ass penis, because it's more of a principle kind of thing.

Also, I think I've posted enough long-winded wall texts where I clearly laid out the full extent of my criticisms, which are not just constrained to a few missing boob shots.

Also also, I know you love taking some argument points and running wild with them into tangents, but don't mix an answer I gave to a particular topic (the thing about "subjectivity") with a whole other topic (specific censored content) I previously talked about... you're just muddying the argument(s) and putting words in my mouth.

No need to go balls-deep into philosophy here, common sense will do just fine: AVNs are porn games... if your game is no longer a porn game, then we can't really call it an AVN now, can we? (not that I'm saying SG is no longer a porn game, but there IS an argument to be made)

See? No need for Wittgenstein.

And yes, "adult" can mean whatever you want to you or to someone else, but that doesn't matter... for example, I deeply despise that people use dumbshit and confusing weeb terms like "NTR" for cucking, or "kinetic" for choiceless, etc... but guess what? That's the convention the people in this community agreed on, and for better or worse, that's what we're stuck with... that's how shit works.
 
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DuckDairyDip

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Almost every AAA AVN on this site with very risque (questionable) lewd content is on Steam with zero issue, making gobs of monetary gain which Steam gets a cut of. You know this, right? I still don't believe this has anything to do with Steam at all... but that's opinion, I'm just expressing it.
I am well aware. I am talking about in general and not exactly this particular situation as that has been an issue for some developers/publishers, but it isn't like some don't get banned. As I said, I doubt it will be an issue for Ocean moving forward, just saying it isn't like this doesn't happen fairly often.
 

minibaer12

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Same it will take alot for me to consider this a porn game even when sex does happen. As for me to consider this a porn game the porn aspect has to be the main focus. Being an AVN doesn't mean it's automatically a porn game for me.
Sorry, but my MC doesn't have the time or the muse to "make out" with some girl!

There are so many puzzles to solve in this game that my fingers on both hands can't reach. I have made it my mission to research and solve these.

And yet I still feel very entertained and enjoy the amazing graphics and musical accompaniment.
 

yossa999

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You guys still haven't grasped the game we've been playing here for five years?

Summer's Gone is PORN ??? ...
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Nah, they don't understand why he don't want make it porn right here, right now. This has been disrupting their acid-base balance for several years. And if there is no porn in it, it does not deserve the prefix Adult.

You know I trust the judgment of this thread with all my heart! They don’t lie or make mistakes here. But I'll be damned if I'm going to show this game to my five year old nephew because someone in this thread doesn't think SG is an adult game.

And of course, no one in their right mind would listen to just some author of this game who defines it as:
"This isn't a porn game! This is a story-focused game with adult elements."

As if he knows something about this.
 

xCalon

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You guys still haven't grasped the game we've been playing here for five years?

Summer's Gone is PORN ??? ...
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It's way more comfortable to whine and/or complain about something that wasn't even in Summer's Gone, and hysterical about it for dozens of pages, rather than simply admitting certain things.

Still, many people have come into this topic and wrote factually untrue things. They play the "I know everything better" instead of playing this AVN, and if they don't like it they would quietly leave. But no, they stay, and crying about almost everything.

Summer's Gone Season 1 is flawless? Obviously not!
Summer's Gone Season 1 is a porn game? Obviously not!
Could Summer's Gone Season 1 be any better? Hell yes!

I have to say, I have to agree with one of Miss Marla's question:

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minibaer12

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Nah, they don't understand why he don't want make it porn right here, right now. This has been disrupting their acid-base balance for several years. And if there is no porn in it, it does not deserve the prefix Adult.

You know I trust the judgment of this thread with all my heart! They don’t lie or make mistakes here. But I'll be damned if I'm going to show this game to my five year old nephew because someone in this thread doesn't think SG is an adult game.

And of course, no one in their right mind would listen to just some author of this game who defines it as:
"This isn't a porn game! This is a story-focused game with adult elements."

As if he knows something about this.
I don't really want to sign your statement. There is actually, admittedly, a very rare species that looks for exactly these games. And SG is one of them for me.
 

duolaamm

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To be honest, if this game has developed some in-depth plots in the past five years, such as the story of Summer or the story of Bella or Shasa instead of lots of sexually suggestive pictures, I will consider it a story-driven game rather than a simple pornographic game, obviously the plot of this game develops very slowly, and the author keeps making changes to make the mc boring more and more.
What's the reason to delete the scene where he and Mila smoke together? In order to make the game 13+?
The result is make a 13+ game filled with sexual innuendo
The dev's purpose is using pornography to poison teenagers
 

PaxHadrian17

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Oh the porn content vastly outweighs the non porn. The point being it is a pirate site and pirates MOSTLY like porn. But there is all kinds of content, even handholding.
Okay...

Handholding...

Now you've just gone Too Far! ;)

I can't even find that on Pornhub, and I've spent many hours looking... for ... yeah - handholding... :cool:

Cheers!! :coffee:

* and yeah - out of reactions - again :(
 
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