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Yea I see people are hot in here about that, I am just trying to play Season 1 with all the rework done.
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I think the steam version and patron version is the same now unsure if the link in the thread was updated when steam got updated however.
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Obviously, anything can happen, but I find it very unlikely. As I mentioned before they would have to censor thousands of games and that would not go down well with players, especially when it comes to better known games.
As for the incest thing, as far as I know it's a pretty isolated case. I don't think I need to elaborate more about why that's a case.
I don't know, maybe I just don't care enough, I guess? I mean, it would be different if there was a whole sex scene removed because of steam, but that's not the case. An argument can be made that if it wasn't for steam there could have been scene with Bella in chapter 5 and I'm not refuting that. It was really dumb and the fact that the MC didn't try anything didn't make any sense. No one is complaining about this anymore though, it's all been about the lack of nipples these past few days.
As far as this rework goes though, personally, I haven't seen anything that was reworked/removed that would ruin the story for me, and I find some of the examples that people have been bringing up quite ridiculous to be honest. Ridiculous as in not worth losing sleep over. None of the changes make any fundamental difference story wise, and at the end of the day everything flows nicely into chapter 5.
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i just can't believe the steam players that pay $15 one time are being treated the same as iike the patreon players that pay monthy on going thats just wrong to me maybe it's the way i was raised who knows.
but as it is it's way better to just pay $15 one time and not monthy if you are getting the same product thats good for the steam buyers if they want to be smart with their money, i just feel bad for the patreon supporters i think they are being treated shitty, or is being fair wrong today ? but if patreon supporters are ok with that practice and they think it's just fine to have the same product as steam players then who am i to say anything, more power to them. as ocean said steam and patreon is the same no differance but i belive they sould be different in terms of the kind of support players give, if you pay more you sould get more. it's like if i give $5 i get the same as you that give $100, is that fair. ?
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normally id say it's fair cause who knows how many people just sub one time for updates at the cheapest tier like alot of other devs. However with this dev you know more people subbed and stayed subbed monthly cause of it's popularity as well. So yeah I think another solution would of been fair not sure what exactly. But at the same time you could argue it also would of been unfair to the steam players if they have a inferior version when it wasn't needed to be censored when he failed to get the rating he wanted.i just can't believe the steam players that pay $15 one time are being treated the same as iike the patreon players that pay monthy on going thats just wrong to me maybe it's the way i was raised who knows.
Now take this with a grain of salt ive yet to play the rework version so my knowledge of what is cut is from what I read. With that being said I don't really think it's cause of music anymore at least for the rework because why wouldn't it of been cut in the Beta version. If you ask me when he failed to get his rating there was no longer a need to cut things out / change the dialogue any longer. I feel like it's cause he just doesn't want to put any more work into S1 to restore it and he just wants to wash his hands of S1 and move on. Sure he did restore the Lake scene but that probably was a quick change other things probably take a bit longer im guessing not sure I dont know what was cut or changed exactly. I don't think it would hurt any at this point and to at least slowly restore what was in the Beta since as far as understand it anything that was before the beta was cut for music.
That is my 2 cents on it anyhow. With that being said stuff being cut isn't the end of the world for me I'm just happy I can have this game on steam. I'll just play another version if there is something I want to see.
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and they are definitely censored
No I know whats up, the steam version was updated, thats what I am talking about.
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I've spoilered the posts to condense this post a little, also trying to avoid replying too many times.
What I do like is that by raising the issue you're forcing people to articulate what their actual opinion is. That's a definition that matters. Too many people in the thread believe what other people say rather than making their own opinion.
Regards the content and double dipping: that's literally up to the individual. I'm not a patron for any games, because that's not something I'm willing to do. I might do a kickstarter or one off, but that's it. Other people are patrons not to buy the game on each release but to support the project through all the boring phases where there are no releases. Why support then? So there can be a release. If they decide to buy the steam version as a one off to increase their support, well, it's their money. As a non patreon, I read the devlogs here and knew this was how it was going to be a long time ago. Ocean was clear to his patrons about the release. Us arguing about their wallets when we get the fruit of their patron money - literally we can't pirate without patrons supporting the devs. The very hands that feed our pirate sponging are the patrons. On a grander scheme, if we attack the patrons, our leaks dry up.
We like to pretend we're pirates, but we're actually sponges. The patrons are the ones uploading the games to this site, despite having paid. So I really don't think arguments about double dipping are pertinent - we're getting releases for free because patrons don't give a shit about their money and throw us crumbs.
I can download like a sponge, I can't sail the high seas and liberate even one game from patreon on my own.
I love what you've said here. 90% of the anger I've read over this release is people having expectations unfulfilled, they're probing their missing tooth rather than actually looking at what's in front of them. Whether or not the story is a story a player wants to read needs to be on it's own merits, not the merits of what I think I remember from 3 years ago. When I replay the original Ch2, it is cringeworthy. This isn't to say the final version is perfect either, but I'm simply judging/reading/interacting with the final body of work, not the draft.
Again, respect. Getting rid of preconceptions is on of the quickest ways to enjoy life on a wider basis. We all do it subconsciously, so it's hard to judge things as though for the first time. One massive positive for me in my playthrough is the cheeto became an interesting character rather than a gallon of coffee hitting my eyeballs is 1 second flat. I enjoy her humour more now that she's not on 11 the whole time, and there's more colour to her personality.
Well, I had achievements unlock throughout the whole 5 chapters, not sure what you're talking about.
I know some of this has been answered, but it's still pertinent. I downloaded on steam the first hour and the word fuck was throught the game. Fuck machine wasn't, some other dialogues were cut etc. I get what you're saying, but the concept of a fuck machine is going to trigger censors far more than the word fuck or cunt. And it's about percentages. I'm guessing Ocean decided to slim down the swearing to make it a safer percentage, and decided what situations were 'worthy' of exclamations and where is was simply on the gratuitous side. Much the same as cut Nami content - a lot of her topless scenes got edited - because she had maybe more of them, and Ocean tried to get the overall percentage down without losing the ratings game, which he lost anyway. So sure, unnecessary in the end, but his intent was not to affect players but to get under a certain limbo bar.
I think part of this is due to recent patreon purges, and being careful to assure some form of security for the game going forward. He now has a separate revenue stream that isn't dependant on patreons fast shifting policy changes. That's objectively a good thing. The process he went through to do that? Well, it's actually his first time. The remaining releases aare all 18+ from this point, so I kinda see this release as a demo for Ocean's whole planned universe. Could it be better? Absolutely. Could more be restored? Absolutely. Do I want him to spend any more time on season 1? Absolutely not, and I think the patrons just want to see more of season 2 where Ocean can move forward without his self imposed restrictions.
I seem to remember you having a redhead from another game for your profile pic, so taken that you have a subjective like for redheads, in particular Nami in this case, could your disappointment be due to the content you are most aligned to (Nami's) had the heaviest editing? As far as definitions go, people are saying things like "there are no boobs!" etc because the boob image they subjectively liked the most from the beta or ch4 is missing. So the whole objective argument is a false one - we're all subjective based on our perception and biases. Seeing we can't find common language in the tread, communication is hard when adult means different things to different people. Trying to be objective about language will just lead us further towards Wittgenstein and further from AVN's and we'll debate whether a symbol is even a symbol or just pixels, and one person's perception of those pixels is ....eh. I just vomited at my own words just now.
What I do like is that by raising the issue you're forcing people to articulate what their actual opinion is. That's a definition that matters. Too many people in the thread believe what other people say rather than making their own opinion.
I'll reply to this one, but I'm referring to a bunch of your posts regarding double dipping. The real question is whether OCean has been up front to his patrons through this process, and whether they've stood by the changes. This is the first major change in Ocean's business model - ie diversifying income. As patreon becomes less viable for DAZ/renpy devotees, moving forward Ocean has to work out how to ensure income to keep working. Let's ignore the content and just look at the business decision: Ocean lost the WiaB patreon, with no right of reply. If he loses the SG one, what happens to these two games? Currently he's still going ahead with both. He needs to stabilise his income or he will suffer massive setbacks (especially as he now has monthly leases to pay on the video cards etc). Getting the steam release out and being overly cautious about it makes sense. It doesn't satisfy what people have been hoping for, but some steam purchasers have no history with the game and are playing it for the first time. It's been out for less than a week, and it's doing pretty okay. This means Ocean has a buffer zone for whatever patreon might do.i just think and correct me if i'm wrong but the patreons that support ocean with $3 to $100 dollars a month sould get a better version than the supporters on steam with their one time payment of $15 thats just how i think so take it how you like.
Regards the content and double dipping: that's literally up to the individual. I'm not a patron for any games, because that's not something I'm willing to do. I might do a kickstarter or one off, but that's it. Other people are patrons not to buy the game on each release but to support the project through all the boring phases where there are no releases. Why support then? So there can be a release. If they decide to buy the steam version as a one off to increase their support, well, it's their money. As a non patreon, I read the devlogs here and knew this was how it was going to be a long time ago. Ocean was clear to his patrons about the release. Us arguing about their wallets when we get the fruit of their patron money - literally we can't pirate without patrons supporting the devs. The very hands that feed our pirate sponging are the patrons. On a grander scheme, if we attack the patrons, our leaks dry up.
We like to pretend we're pirates, but we're actually sponges. The patrons are the ones uploading the games to this site, despite having paid. So I really don't think arguments about double dipping are pertinent - we're getting releases for free because patrons don't give a shit about their money and throw us crumbs.
I can download like a sponge, I can't sail the high seas and liberate even one game from patreon on my own.
Despite how long the dev cycle has been, it's also important to remember that this is the first 'comercial' release Ocean has done. I agree that he failed to deliver everything that people wanted or expected, but if he learns and we see the improvements in WiaB's release and SG Season 2, I think the trajectory will be clear. I still have a ton of other AVN's I've yet to play while waiting. WiaB being the next major release will be a good litmus test - if it is released on steam intact, we'll know that Ocean is capable of doing an 18+ release without triggering steam, without second guessing steam.
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yeah i agree it's no more it's no less at this point in time we may or may not get more updates on steam it would be great if we did but like your point i'm just glad it's finally on steam so it's like whatever now, time to move on.
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yeah i agree i'm gulity of downloading games on this website that patreons uploaded so who am i to say anything right ? it's only right to support and talk well of the pateons that give us for free for what they pay right is right wrong is wrong every day of the week. it's wrong of us to talk down to the patreons that care enough or don't care enough that they upload to this website so we can enjoy the same game as them. so in that aspect they get all the praise.
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Yes, I get that you have your opinion which is fine and all, but just because a definition doesnt fit your opinion, it doesn't mean it's "subjective"... When we say "AVN", no one thinks of... I dunno, Telltale's Walking Dead games... we all think "bewbs". Definitions exist for a reason, you can't go around saying "dog" expecting people to understand "cat" just because in your opinion dogs and cats are house pets with 4 legs and a tail and they both lick their balls and therefore they're pretty much the same.
Ah yes, AVN "romance"
Honestly, it's kinda why I like Nami the most, there's at least a long term relationship between the two, so it makes things a hell lot more "believable"... you know, minus the whole incest thing of course...
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I'm out of reactions otherwise I'd be smashing the like button on your post. I grew up with a background in art history, so I do consider the whole concept of patronage from the angle of rich people providing food and board like a retainer, so they could get a composer to write something for their daughter's 18th birthday, their wedding anniversary etc. The modern concept of it being directly linked to the reward rather than being completely speculative is a change in the intent, but I think in practice it's good to remember that being a patron is about supporting what you believe in, not paying for a service. In such a context throughout history, no artist has ever delivered 100% what their patrons initially wanted, but over time, history has shown that patronage has moved culture forward. When the majority of culture is downloadable without payment, creators like Ocean have to work hard to justify themselves to the bank and their landlords while they chase a goal of creating something with very uncertain returns.
Consider the steam returns - if you spent 5 years making a game without patrons, would the current level of sales pay off the loans you had for the past 5 years? Of course not. SG and WiaB do exist because of patrons, so whatever I justify, they're the reason I can play and either complain or enjoy any of these games at all.
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i see your point very well, a lot of people sponge on not only games from developers but music from artist and tv shows and movies, you can't complain if you aint out no money i believe you have no reason because it's not costing you anything in the first place, instead of crying about what you don't have , like updates and such on a game like summers gone spend that time to appreciate what you have for free that others pay for. it's only right.
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Its only wallpapers and they are part of the version here
Well I've never had a profile picture in this site, and if I ever do it'll be the same one I use everywhere else (which is my dumbshit mug), sooooo... nope. That said, yes I do like Nami the best in this game, and yes, those cuts bummed me out, but every other single cut shot/scene bummed me out equally, including the MC's shitty ass penis, because it's more of a principle kind of thing.
Also, I think I've posted enough long-winded wall texts where I clearly laid out the full extent of my criticisms, which are not just constrained to a few missing boob shots.
Also also, I know you love taking some argument points and running wild with them into tangents, but don't mix an answer I gave to a particular topic (the thing about "subjectivity") with a whole other topic (specific censored content) I previously talked about... you're just muddying the argument(s) and putting words in my mouth.
No need to go balls-deep into philosophy here, common sense will do just fine: AVNs are porn games... if your game is no longer a porn game, then we can't really call it an AVN now, can we? (not that I'm saying SG is no longer a porn game, but there IS an argument to be made)
See? No need for Wittgenstein.
And yes, "adult" can mean whatever you want to you or to someone else, but that doesn't matter... for example, I deeply despise that people use dumbshit and confusing weeb terms like "NTR" for cucking, or "kinetic" for choiceless, etc... but guess what? That's the convention the people in this community agreed on, and for better or worse, that's what we're stuck with... that's how shit works.
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Ocean saying that it isn't censored is a truth that hurts. But I'll be damned if he didn't neuter the fuck out of this game.