VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Does anyone have the vanilla game installed to confirm this?

I have the game with the Uncut Mod and looking at the gallery I saw that the pictures of Claire and Maja are their pre-reworked version :

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Come on Ocean, keep up the good work with your remasters! .

Happens on the umodded version as well. As Ocean deleted his account here, you can leave a suggestion in the bug-report channel of the Summer's Gone section.

And no, he doesn't need to keep up the good work with the remastered version, it burnt him out, so it's good he's been revitalised by the new chapter and rediscovered what he loves about his game.

Also, any in game renders that look out might be the mod ones - it replaces new renders with older ones in some cases, the obvious ones are chapter 3 if you sleep with Nami, or don't go on the heist, the talk with Nami, talks with Nadia. Those won't be reworked because they were cut by Ocean. The changes in chapters 1, 2, and 5 were of material that was reworked but tamed down, so they'll look seamless.

Keep in mind that when you play the modded version, you likely won't remember what scenes have and haven't officially happened, so if a conversation hasn't happened, the characters either don't know that thing yet, or that thing is no longer part of the story. Not sure how the script changes for the mod adjusted the new info if you don't go on the heist, but with script added, we'll start remembering things that aren't in the official version.

The only thing I hope is that in the future, Ocean will find music he's happy with to match the cinematics that got axed because of the music licenses.

Edit: oh didn't see the sarcasm emoji, my bad. Coffee hasn't sunk in this morning yet

 

[BobTheDuck]

Umm, so anyone able to insert a USB-C drive into a USB-C port of a phone is a badass?

Or are you trying to say that the USB-drive in her hand doesn't look exactly like a USB-C, but more like a USB-A drive , so it won't fit? Well, then the only thing she needs is a USB-OTG cable. It's usually about 10cm long and dirt cheap, available everywhere. Who says she doesn't have one?

God, I'm such a badass! Inserting USB-drives into phones using USB-OTG since, umm... 2011 or something. And now you actually can get by without a cable.
There were even USB-drives with micro-USB in one end available before the first USB-C phones were. Also directly insertable into phones with a micro-USB port.

I actually thought that the slurping part is kind of badass, but might be possible with a stick with some special hardware (and software, obviously). I'm not one to say that such hardware doesn't exist, because technically it's possible. Still badass, totally.
But she got it from Emilio, so it's likely some (corporate) spy gear, not too fantastic to be believable.
Now thinking about it, the OTG cable may not be the right one with such special hardware, a normal USB cable would likely be the right one for it. You'd need the phone to "think" that it's a computer attached to it, not a drive. My mistake. Not important with the USB-C interface though.

I have a drive that is USB-A on one end and lightning (instead of micro-B) on the other. There are ones with USB-C and USB-A on either end. So the idea is completely sound.

 

[Miranha157]

I don't know what came over me, but I felt like downloading the WIAB of the old testament where Ocean made 6 chapters, and one of the scenes was this one of the youngest William.





I've already told some friends that Nika is William's son, I'm just not sure who the mother really is (my guess is that it's Leia, but there are so many Lils in the Oceanverse that it's hard to have a good theory).

 

[BobTheDuck]

I don't know what came over me, but I felt like downloading the WIAB of the old testament where Ocean made 6 chapters, and one of the scenes was this one of the youngest William.

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I've already told some friends that Nikka is William's son, I'm just not sure who the mother really is (my guess is that it's Leia, but there are so many Lils in the Oceanverse that it's hard to have a good theory).

Except that in the remake we know young Willi no longer looks like that. Old WiaB has been scrapped, and with the potential changes to the story that Ocean's implied, we have no idea what will or won't be true until he has revealed it in WiaB's current form.

Old WiaB things that might or might not be true include:
- Donna working for the evil dude we see on the beach,
- Donna getting pregnant to Willi,
- Elena being a badass lawyer,
- The whole story of Katie, Willi and Leia as kids

In the new WiaB, Willi is ~24 I think, he's been with Miru for just over 5 years, so if they met in prison, he was 19 in the new version.

 

[Miranha157]

Except that in the remake we know young Willi no longer looks like that. Old WiaB has been scrapped, and with the potential changes to the story that Ocean's implied, we have no idea what will or won't be true until he has revealed it in WiaB's current form.

Old WiaB things that might or might not be true include:
- Donna working for the evil dude we see on the beach,
- Donna getting pregnant to Willi,
- Elena being a badass lawyer,
- The whole story of Katie, Willi and Leia as kids

In the new WiaB, Willi is ~24 I think, he's been with Miru for just over 5 years, so if they met in prison, he was 19 in the new version.

I'm aware, but there are certain things that are similar and can't be ignored. Still, making William not the same as Nika is a good move. But still, the old William from Wiab from another "universe" has a lot of similarities.

 

[Miranha157]

Do you know what these two have in common? They are two genetic cows.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I'm aware, but there are certain things that are similar and can't be ignored. Still, making William not the same as Nikka is a good move. But still, the old William from Wiab from another "universe" has a lot of similarities.

Yeah, but keep in mind that in a devlog this year, Ocean mentioned radical changes to the relations of the Zanes, but apparently redacted the devlog. This means we literally know NOTHING about the Zanes for certain in the new version, not even Ocean's intent. We have to wait for Ch4 to even start guessing again, because Ch4 might have changes to the script of Ch1 -3

Do you know what these two have in common? They are two genetic cows.

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Donna is most likely Donna Revera, but she falls into the category of potential changes. So she might be on the board of ZPR in SG, but then we'll just have to see.

 

[Miranha157]

Yeah, but keep in mind that in a devlog this year, Ocean mentioned radical changes to the relations of the Zanes, but apparently redacted the devlog. This means we literally know NOTHING about the Zanes for certain in the new version, not even Ocean's intent. We have to wait for Ch4 to even start guessing again, because Ch4 might have changes to the script of Ch1 -3



Donna is most likely Donna Revera, but she falls into the category of potential changes. So she might be on the board of ZPR in SG, but then we'll just have to see.

After losing WIAB's patreon, radical changes were to be expected, including in SG.

 

[BobTheDuck]

After losing WIAB's patreon, radical changes were to be expected, including in SG.

Most likely though is that SG will remain mostly the same and Ocean will change whatever he feels he needs to in WiaB for minimal changes to what is already published as a final version (ie less work and less change to his biggest support base).

 

[LHDLLB]

I'm aware, but there are certain things that are similar and can't be ignored. Still, making William not the same as Nikka is a good move. But still, the old William from Wiab from another "universe" has a lot of similarities.

I am torn with the idea of Nika being William's son. I like it but is such a easy plot point. Still, we just do not have enough information to say one thing or another and looking at older WiaB is a exercise in futility. It is similar in the broads strokes but when we look closer they are very different things.

Most likely though is that SG will remain mostly the same and Ocean will change whatever he feels he needs to in WiaB for minimal changes to what is already published as a final version (ie less work and less change to his biggest support base).

I am not sure that we can say this either. SG and WiaB is said to be heavily intertwined, so the change in WiaB should impact SG, and we can't be sure on how much. I sometimes think that the change will be bigger in the log than in the game, sometimes I have a feeling that he will mostly ignored it but have a throw away line.

Still we have discussed this topic to exhaustion and back, the answer is always the same, wait for the ch4 to drop.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I am torn with the idea of Nika being William's son. I like it but is such a easy plot point. Still, we just do not have enough information to say one thing or another and looking at older WiaB is a exercise in futility. It is similar in the broads strokes but when we look closer they are very different things.



I am not sure that we can say this either. SG and WiaB is said to be heavily intertwined, so the change in WiaB should impact SG, and we can't be sure on how much. I sometimes think that the change will be bigger in the log than in the game, sometimes I have a feeling that he will mostly ignored it but have a throw away line.

Still we have discussed this topic to exhaustion and back, the answer is always the same, wait for the ch4 to drop.

My main reasoning is that SG is already in the public space, it's hard to do an update of something published that changes too much - otherwise anyone could release a USK 0 rated game in Germany and stealth update it to have 18+ content. Stealth changes means there is not significant content changes that would change the rating, and this isn't just renders or animations, but concepts. SG mainly avoids any of the areas that WiaB touches, so the changes will have more impact on SG moving forward as more Zane content is shown. Stealth changes to SG season 1 will probably occur, but they'll be minor, as currently the connection to WiaB is mainly in inferences that we haven't seen in either game yet, other than simply that certain characters exist. It is mostly content/plot moving forward that changes in SG, whereas the potential changes mentioned in that devlog kinda imply a through combing through WiaB's scripts.

Or not.

Or Ocean decided Ben isn't a beta anymore, and cucks Willi with all Willi's ex interests, after Leia cages him and throws away the key in revenge, hires the Krayt gang to show WIlli what he will never experience again, etc etc.

 

[LHDLLB]

My main reasoning is that SG is already in the public space, it's hard to do an update of something published that changes too much - otherwise anyone could release a USK 0 rated game in Germany and stealth update it to have 18+ content. Stealth changes means there is not significant content changes that would change the rating, and this isn't just renders or animations, but concepts. SG mainly avoids any of the areas that WiaB touches, so the changes will have more impact on SG moving forward as more Zane content is shown. Stealth changes to SG season 1 will probably occur, but they'll be minor, as currently the connection to WiaB is mainly in inferences that we haven't seen in either game yet, other than simply that certain characters exist. It is mostly content/plot moving forward that changes in SG, whereas the potential changes mentioned in that devlog kinda imply a through combing through WiaB's scripts.

Or not.

Or Ocean decided Ben isn't a beta anymore, and cucks Willi with all Willi's ex interests, after Leia cages him and throws away the key in revenge, hires the Krayt gang to show WIlli what he will never experience again, etc etc.

Oh, my bad, for S1 I fully agree with you. Was referring to the game as a whole, we have no way of knowing how much the changes in WiaB will affect SG. I also agree with you, but what changes ? Ocean retconned the Log, was there any change and not a collective delirium ? I also could talk about how he changed SG but the script was not that well combed through, so I am a bit skeptical of how well this change will be implement.

Always knew that Ben was the true alpha of WiaB.

 

[Pl@y3r]

I would rather not be on a 10 year journey if possible

You will be on a 20+-year journey with the VN having 30 planned chapters.

Umm, so anyone able to insert a USB-C drive into a USB-C port of a phone is a badass?

Or are you trying to say that the USB-drive in her hand doesn't look exactly like a USB-C, but more like a USB-A drive , so it won't fit? Well, then the only thing she needs is a USB-OTG cable. It's usually about 10cm long and dirt cheap, available everywhere. Who says she doesn't have one?

God, I'm such a badass! Inserting USB-drives into phones using USB-OTG since, umm... 2011 or something. And now you actually can get by without a cable.
There were even USB-drives with micro-USB in one end available before the first USB-C phones were. Also directly insertable into phones with a micro-USB port.

I actually thought that the slurping part is kind of badass, but might be possible with a stick with some special hardware (and software, obviously). I'm not one to say that such hardware doesn't exist, because technically it's possible. Still badass, totally.
But she got it from Emilio, so it's likely some (corporate) spy gear, not too fantastic to be believable.
Now thinking about it, the OTG cable may not be the right one with such special hardware, a normal USB cable would likely be the right one for it. You'd need the phone to "think" that it's a computer attached to it, not a drive. My mistake. Not important with the USB-C interface though.

It looks like a USB-A drive and there was no cable involved and the type of cable wouldn't even matter 'cause the drive would do all the work. And such a device would definitely trick the phone into "thinking" it's a pc and not a drive. The drive is actually more advanced than you think, having anti-gravity capabilities.

But it was Nika who plugged it in so he's the badass one.

I don't know what came over me, but I felt like downloading the WIAB of the old testament where Ocean made 6 chapters, and one of the scenes was this one of the youngest William.

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I've already told some friends that Nikka is William's son, I'm just not sure who the mother really is (my guess is that it's Leia, but there are so many Lils in the Oceanverse that it's hard to have a good theory).

I haven't played WIAB but after seeing these renders I have no doubt he's William's son.

Except that in the remake we know young Willi no longer looks like that. Old WiaB has been scrapped

But he did look like that and that's what matters 'cause at that point that was the official story.

SG is already in the public space, it's hard to do an update of something published that changes too much

A while ago I saw a render of "the old Summer" so I disagree.

 

[BobTheDuck]

You will be on a 20+-year journey with the VN having 30 planned chapters.


It looks like a USB-A drive and there was no cable involved and the type of cable wouldn't even matter 'cause the drive would do all the work. And such a device would definitely trick the phone into "thinking" it's a pc and not a drive. The drive is actually more advanced than you think, having anti-gravity capabilities.
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But it was Nika who plugged it in so he's the badass one.


I haven't played WIAB but after seeing these renders I have no doubt he's William's son.

But he did look like that and that's what matters 'cause at that point that was the official story.

A while ago I saw a render of "the old Summer" so I disagree.

Ocean has rebooted WiaB and the story is not the same. It's not just changing a few renders. As I said, William would be 19 when he's in jail and meets Miru. Ocean used the same basic model for Scarlet as he used for Vic, so does that make them related? He used an identical model for Mon as he used for Mrs Frohn, but they're two seperate people. The first remake version of Scarlet looked like the unknown person visiting Amber, until he decided to use it for SG and mak another for Scarlet, this all just means that once Ocean's designed a character, he'll reuse it if it gets cut.

Regardless of what the story was, it's what the story is that matters. WiaB has a different path, as does SG since the remakes. JUst like there's no gun scene with Marla, we haven't seen a lot of what existed in the old WiaB. SOme of that is to keep the two stories distinct, ven though they flow together.

Renders of a work in progress leaked to the public are not the same as a public release. The WiP is a reward for patreons to prove he's working for their support. The game being sold on steam is public: everything before that was in effect a beta, which we can see by Ocean reserving the right to change anything up to the release.

 

[LHDLLB]

I haven't played WIAB but after seeing these renders I have no doubt he's William's son.

But he did look like that and that's what matters 'cause at that point that was the official story.

A while ago I saw a render of "the old Summer" so I disagree.

This renders are of before the rework and everything of the OG is no longer canon.

He looked like that i 0.6. Nee young William does not look like Nika.

OG Summer was scary.

 

[Pl@y3r]

Ocean used the same basic model for Scarlet as he used for Vic, so does that make them related?

I already believed that Nika is the son of someone important from WIAB and seeing those renders it's pretty clear to me, though not 100% sure.

Regardless of what the story was, it's what the story is that matters.

To new players sure, but for those being here from the beggining in both WIAB and SG's cases, how many reworks can you be ok with? Whether it's changed because of Patreon or on a whim.

JUst like there's no gun scene with Marla

But there was. Again no issue for new players, but what about old ones?

Renders of a work in progress leaked to the public are not the same as a public release.

This renders are of before the rework and everything of the OG is no longer canon.

I remember another render of "old Summer" at the cabin. That was work in progress too? Can you guarantee that nothing major from S1 will be changed at some point in the future? No one can not even the dev because of stuff like Patreon ToS... Or something from the previews from S2E1. Imagine if the dev is currently reworking S1 removing a major character completely and replacing the game everywhere. Would you be ok with that saying "oh that's the old SG, the new one is what matters"?

everything before that was in effect a beta

Even if it was an alpha you can't just change important things like this and expect people to be ok with it.

Ocean reserving the right to change anything up to the release.

That's the problem. Where do you draw the line?

 

[BobTheDuck]

I already believed that Nika is the son of someone important from WIAB and seeing those renders it's pretty clear to me, though not 100% sure.

To new players sure, but for those being here from the beggining in both WIAB and SG's cases, how many reworks can you be ok with? Whether it's changed because of Patreon or on a whim.

But there was. Again no issue for new players, but what about old ones?


I remember another render of "old Summer" at the cabin. That was work in progress too? Can you guarantee that nothing major from S1 will be changed at some point in the future? No one can not even the dev because of stuff like Patreon ToS... Or something from the previews from S2E1. Imagine if the dev is currently reworking S1 removing a major character completely and replacing the game everywhere. Would you be ok with that saying "oh that's the old SG, the new one is what matters"?

Even if it was an alpha you can't just change important things like this and expect people to be ok with it.

That's the problem. Where do you draw the line?

You can fight it all you like, but Ocean abandoned drug happy Summer, the gun, the dolphin jokes, the old William flashback, the old WiaB storyline, William's rockabilly haircut (which changedat least 3 times in chapter 6)...

If you want Ocean's canon, it's that Helen breeds Miru behind Willi's back and that's where Nika comes from:



Is this canon? It's in the old WiaB...

SG Season 1 is considered a completed work. Ocean can of course mess us around, but there are diminishing returns for him doing this. He can't sell S1 to people who have already bought it. It won't generate more income. So he's progressing with Season 2. Simple economics will tell him to leave it alone now because he needs to sell WiaB and he needs to start selling Season 2. Sure he'd like to fix things like the missing animations and the music licenses, but he's going to be too busy making sure he can pay next years taxes.

Old players, have to learn that downloading from a site like this has no guarantees. Some of my favourite games have been abandoned because there was too much to rework to meet patreon's ToS. Others I have to play all the way from the start every update of 200 renders or whatever. This is actually a common thing. You can try to hold onto your past memories, but Ocean has abandoned the old versions. Making sense of the story in the official version is the only thing you can do to make sense of the next release.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Does anyone have the vanilla game installed to confirm this?

I have the game with the Uncut Mod and looking at the gallery I saw that the pictures of Claire and Maja are their pre-reworked version :

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Come on Ocean, keep up the good work with your remasters! .

I can't be the only one who prefers the original Claire, right?

 

[Pl@y3r]

You can fight it all you like, but Ocean abandoned drug happy Summer, the gun, the dolphin jokes, the old William flashback, the old WiaB storyline, William's rockabilly haircut (which changedat least 3 times in chapter 6)...

If you want Ocean's canon, it's that Helen breeds Miru behind Willi's back and that's where Nika comes from:

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Is this canon? It's in the old WiaB...

SG Season 1 is considered a completed work. Ocean can of course mess us around, but there are diminishing returns for him doing this. He can't sell S1 to people who have already bought it. It won't generate more income. So he's progressing with Season 2. Simple economics will tell him to leave it alone now because he needs to sell WiaB and he needs to start selling Season 2. Sure he'd like to fix things like the missing animations and the music licenses, but he's going to be too busy making sure he can pay next years taxes.

Old players, have to learn that downloading from a site like this has no guarantees. Some of my favourite games have been abandoned because there was too much to rework to meet patreon's ToS. Others I have to play all the way from the start every update of 200 renders or whatever. This is actually a common thing. You can try to hold onto your past memories, but Ocean has abandoned the old versions. Making sense of the story in the official version is the only thing you can do to make sense of the next release.

I don't know why you had to post that shit. You could've at least hid it under a spoiler...Was the dev high or what? I never said I prefer the old version of SG. The new one is definitely better. And SG S1 is not completed work, not with old models still in the game, missing music, grammatical errors...

He can't sell S1 to people who have already bought it.

Wanna bet?

Ocean has abandoned the old versions. Making sense of the story in the official version is the only thing you can do to make sense of the next release.

That's the thing, those versions were official at some point. That was the story. And then the dev decided to make major changes. Sure the VNs improved and even though you could just ignore those old versions wouldn't have been better to have the current story from the start? You play the first episode and when the second one is released the things you knew no longer apply...

 

[LHDLLB]

I already believed that Nika is the son of someone important from WIAB and seeing those renders it's pretty clear to me, though not 100% sure.

To new players sure, but for those being here from the beggining in both WIAB and SG's cases, how many reworks can you be ok with? Whether it's changed because of Patreon or on a whim.

But there was. Again no issue for new players, but what about old ones?


I remember another render of "old Summer" at the cabin. That was work in progress too? Can you guarantee that nothing major from S1 will be changed at some point in the future? No one can not even the dev because of stuff like Patreon ToS... Or something from the previews from S2E1. Imagine if the dev is currently reworking S1 removing a major character completely and replacing the game everywhere. Would you be ok with that saying "oh that's the old SG, the new one is what matters"?

Even if it was an alpha you can't just change important things like this and expect people to be ok with it.

That's the problem. Where do you draw the line?

i get what you are saying and I don't disagree entirely, but ultimately is Ocean's story and if he has repeatedly told us that OG WiaB is a dead end and we should not consider it going forward there is not a reason for us be looking back, regarless of how we feel about it.

If Ocean changes the story to the point that I don't see value in it anymore, I will simply walk away. My problem in SG is not that he changed it, is that the story now does not make sense. And my fear is that the same will happen in WiaB, despite his intentions.