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byaaahh

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We only know that Willy and Leia are twins and not related to Dylan/Helen/Katie now, we dont know which of these two parts are the original Zane's now or am i wrong?

It seems that Dylan is still the original Zane line (Katie is a Zane after all) and Willy and Leia are not lol, people have just added the surname Zane for william in their phone for jokes and giggles
I think we need to wait for chapter 4 of WiaB for some clarity.

The whole "retcon the family connection to abide by patreon rules", only to have William fall in love with his twin made basically threw a grenade on any understanding of what Ocean is thinking. It'd make more sense for him to just undo the retcon and continue as was previously planned, since he is likely to get hit for incest between William and Leia anyway as Katie witnesses something and blackmails William, which led to him leaving.
 

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I'm going to throw out my thoughts on the earring.

Leia sees herself in Nami. She sees a young girl in love with someone she likely shouldn't be, as she was with William, only to have that person move on (William left and found Miru/Nika with Summer). She gives her the earring and some comforting words, something she never got before she spiralled into depression and anorexia.

The only question is why a Petrova, a family that hate the Zane's, has possession of the matching earring.
 
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I think we need to wait for chapter 4 of WiaB for some clarity.

The whole "retcon the family connection to abide by patreon rules", only to have William fall in love with his twin made basically threw a grenade on any understanding of what Ocean is thinking. It'd make more sense for him to just undo the retcon and continue as was previously planned, since he is likely to get hit for incest between William and Leia anyway as Katie witnesses something and blackmails William, which led to him leaving.
WIAB was already nuked out of patreon. This is why I don't understand the retcon.
 

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I think we need to wait for chapter 4 of WiaB for some clarity.

The whole "retcon the family connection to abide by patreon rules", only to have William fall in love with his twin made basically threw a grenade on any understanding of what Ocean is thinking. It'd make more sense for him to just undo the retcon and continue as was previously planned, since he is likely to get hit for incest between William and Leia anyway as Katie witnesses something and blackmails William, which led to him leaving.
Considering that Wiab is banned on patreon anyway already, the only logical conclusion i see is that William/Leia being related to Dylan/Helen/Katie would bring his (new) vision of SG (back) into Incest territory and he therefore changed it.

Like ... i dont know ... maybe Nika is the son of William and Katie now and wouldnt be a (blood)incest baby or i dont know, this is so dumb.

And it only works under the assumption of People taking kids in to raise them but somehow without any kind of adoption whatsoever to make them unrelated and it seems like we have this situation in both avns now. I doubt any serious country worldwide allows something like this easy peasy.

Its just such a UBER convoluted setup (and were still in the very beginning) for barely any reason or no reason at all if he really wants to keep both avns incest free.

Summers gone and Wiab could be amazing awesome and very immersive AVNs without any incest at all or with leaning fully into it.

But can SG and Wiab become amazing avns with a incest setup trying to evade incest all the time and becoming more and more convoluted? I doubt at this point.

The next two updates (wiab&sg) will hopefully be somewhat enlightening, if our knowledge about these situations stays the same after/during these updates, i will lose any hope that this will ever become a story with any hint of logic im afraid.
 
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byaaahh

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Considering that Wiab is banned on patreon anyway already, the only logical conclusion i see is that William/Leia being related to Dylan/Helen/Katie would bring his (new) vision of SG (back) into Incest territory and he therefore changed it.

Like ... i dont know ... maybe Nika is the son of William and Katie now and wouldnt be a (blood)incest baby or i dont know, this is so dumb.

And it only works under the assumption of People taking kids in to raise them but somehow without any kind of adoption whatsoever to make them unrelated and it seems like we have this situation in both avns yet

Its just such a UBER convoluted setup (and were still in the very beginning) for barely any reason or no reason at all if he really wants to keep both avns incest free.

Summers gone and Wiab could be amazing awesome and very immersive AVNs without any incest at all.

But can SG and Wiab become amazing avns with a incest setup trying to evade incest all the time and becoming more and more convoluted? I doubt at this point.

The next two updates (wiab&sg) will hopefully be somewhat enlightening, if our knowledge about these situations stay the same after/during this updates, i will lose any hope that this will ever become a story with any hint of logic im afraid.
I don't think Nika will be the son of 2 "Zanes". I can't see a family that seem to have no problem boning each other (Well, Helen, Leia and Katie) throw one of "theirs" away. More likely, they would have either covered it up (random hook up) or terminated.

I think Nika is the result of William fucking someone the Zanes wouldn't approve of, which is why he has been kept at a distance.

I do agree with you that the Oceanverse can be awesome and immersive without the incest. The only problem is the foundation was laid with it and pulling it out now isn't fixing it, it is causing more damage. Nobody knows what, or who are linked after 7 years of development.
 

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WIAB was already nuked out of patreon. This is why I don't understand the retcon.
In order to bring it back, or to prevent it from threatening SG
Cutting some of it and leaving the twins falling in love after the fact... :WaitWhat:
Ocean is weird, he eliminated every possible trace of family relationship of any kind between Nika and Nami and then continued with the "forbidden relationship" between the two
 

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What is patreon's exact policy regarding incest? Would Nika be allowed to be an incest baby in a patreon game when the actual incest happened in an off-patreon prequel, or is it just gg at the mere mention of incest in a patreon game?

Also hypothetically, if actions happening in Wiab implied incestual relationships in SG, yet the relationships are never actually specified in SG itself, meaning you would only know about the "incest" by playing the off-patreon prequel, would patreon still bring down the hammer?
 

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What is patreon's exact policy regarding incest? Would Nika be allowed to be an incest baby in a patreon game when the actual incest happened in an off-patreon prequel, or is it just gg at the mere mention of incest in a patreon game?

Also hypothetically, if actions happening in Wiab implied incestual relationships in SG, yet the relationships are never actually specified in SG itself, meaning you would only know about the "incest" by playing the off-patreon prequel, would patreon still bring down the hammer?
Patreon doesn't allow any kind of incest, even "step-incest". I would imagine having a MC that is a product of incest would violate their policy because it can be seen as normalising it. I'm still perplexed how SG survived on Patreon with Nika/Nami being "adopted", maybe it's the lack of sex or just an oversight.

With WiaB/SG being so intertwined, I can't imagine William and Leia's relationship not being mentioned at some point in SG. By that point, maybe SS/Steam will be enough income to complete the project, or it will also fly under the radar.
 

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Patreon doesn't allow any kind of incest, even "step-incest". I would imagine having a MC that is a product of incest would violate their policy because it can be seen as normalising it. I'm still perplexed how SG survived on Patreon with Nika/Nami being "adopted", maybe it's the lack of sex or just an oversight.

With WiaB/SG being so intertwined, I can't imagine William and Leia's relationship not being mentioned at some point in SG. By that point, maybe SS/Steam will be enough income to complete the project, or it will also fly under the radar.
I think its because there's no single word "adopt*" in the SG game files.
 

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I think its because there's no single word "adopt*" in the SG game files.
I mean, they were both taken in by the same woman as youngsters and raised together. If they weren't adopted, they're at least fosters. If Patreon have a problem with step-incest (which isn't illegal, or even a thing), I can't see why they wouldn't have a problem with Nika/Nami having relations.
 

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I mean, they were both taken in by the same woman as youngsters and raised together. If they weren't adopted, they're at least fosters. If Patreon have a problem with step-incest (which isn't illegal, or even a thing), I can't see why they wouldn't have a problem with Nika/Nami having relations.
It's a fictional town where a woman can take provide a roof for two orphans without formally adopting them or otherwise legitimizing their relationships. She's their landlady. :Kappa:
And the dev said on his discord there is no family relationships in this game.

From P-n community guidelines:
Incest refers to sexual activities or relationships between close relatives.

Not permitted

Real or animated works (photo, video, written, audio) featuring sexual activity or role play interactions between family members who are blood relatives or part of the same immediate family (e.g. siblings, parents, adopted children, step-siblings, step-parents).
So you can see as soon as there is a family - relationship between the family members are considered incest (although fucking in-laws is okay :KEK:). No one will investigate all the subtleties and nuances of your plot. They will simply block your page and that's all.
 
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yossa999

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There used to be, it was removed, and the "restoration" patch adds it back.
As stated on the official developer's discord channel, they have nothing to do with any 3-rd party patches, mods or other software that changes the content of their game. The official version of the game is published on Steam, there is nothing like that there.
:Kappa:
 

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Sorry, I was out drinking wine after work on good Friday. Such is the state of things. Bob is bobbier and ducking under the limbo pole a bit. Or something. :KEK:

If Nojiko appears in WiAB...I might just lose my shit. If she's that hot in SG, imagine her in her 20's :sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:
Don't tell Mavi but I'd dropkick Katie in a heartbeat for some Noji :LOL:

EDIT: Although idk...I'm assuming Nojiko is around Katie, Kat and Zoey's age or at most William and Leia's. But she still looks so young. I know there's the asian stereotype about slow aging until a certain point but she could pass for early 30's in SG with no issues. Which would make her a kid in WiAB.
Nojis, been looking afte Nika since he was 3 yeah? I can't imagine her being allowed to look after a 3 year old unless she was already over 18. So Nika is 18 now to avoid any weirdness, the absolute youngest Noji can be is 33. But she is likely older. Would an 18 year old be appointed as a landlady? She can't afford a home loan herself yet. For her to be a legal guardian, she's most likely the same age as Amber and Katie. Could she be one of the girls working at Leia's club to pay her way through medical school, and leaves to raise these poor abandoned kids?

Sure, why not?

Okay, it's true that I'm using the mod that includes the restoration stuff, so the original relationships in my game are adopted/siblings/etc., I keep forgetting that, since it's the only way I've played. However, wtf are you "chosen one" about? The MC is the MAIN CHARACTER, the Protagonist in the story. He's not the fucking messiah, or a prophet.

He's obviously related to the stuff in WIAB, because they are literally related games, in the same town, with some same people. Why do that if their stories are not connected? He took over development on WIAB and rebooted it when the team he had doing it fucked up, so it's obviously important to Ocean.
This is why I believe no mod should be used. Let the past go as a draft. It's confusing enough remembering the story between versions, and then getting confused by fan content over official content is a whole new layer. Whatever we think the intent was, season 1 is what we have, all we have. That's it. Anything further we find out in the next updates, we'll find out then. No fan will ever have a better grasp of the story than the officialy sanctioned script. Or if I get my fetish wishlist promotd, Ayua and Maja are LI's. Sold.

You were convinced because anyone with half a brain knows for a fact that's where the story was supposed to go, with a little room for twists, before the incest purge began.

Which is one of my issues with the rework. Anything that follows will 100% be contrived and retconned bullshit. And I've said it countless times before, I have no faith in Ocean as a writer to dig himself out of the hole he got himself into. But I am looking forward to seeing logic and common sense fade away more and more as he tries to shoehorn his original ideas into this new direction. I think it will be entertaining either way and I'll be here for it :LOL:

How do you feel about this connection? The MC was the son of the maid that worked for Nami's family and Nami's mother was Leia's best friend from highschool and their favorite teacher was Sasha's grandmother who gave one of her earrings to young Nami's mother? I could write retarded shit like this all day :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

EDIT: And before BobTheDuck comes correct me about the lady that gave Nami the earring not being her mother, buddy let me tell you, that's the twist. You see at some point Nami's mother lost the earring and Summer from the future came back to find it and make sure that it got to Nami because the fate of the world depends on it! But enough spoilers.
Where ever the story was supposed to go, it's taken a uturn and headed out of the quicksand that would choke the life out of it. What could be, isn't. We'll see what WiaB ch4 will throw into the pot, and hopefully it will be action, with Helen handcannons! Willi with axes! Resident Wollust, which has at least one raccoon, and one zombie (the undead who guards the clothing store in SG).

Keep coming up with these twists though, I'll read them all :cool: Yours are waybetter than the average dev on the forum, 100%. You didn't even mention anything about girth orlength in your plot, how can it be an AVN plot anyway?

Didn't Ocean retcon WiaB and basically make it so only William, Leia and Katie are Zanes?
This is unknown. Ocean edited the post that slipped here about that. And it was not what you say. Only that William was only related to Leia. But, that's been removed, which... let's just see when Wiab CH4 comes out. I'll be wrong no matter wha I seconf third or fourth guess.

We only know that Willy and Leia are twins and not related to Dylan/Helen/Katie now, we dont know which of these two parts are the original Zane's now or am i wrong?

It seems that Dylan is still the original Zane line (Katie is a Zane after all) and Willy and Leia are not lol, people have just added the surname Zane for william in their phone for jokes and giggles
That was the implication, but that's been redacted, so we don't know. We also don't know if the upcoming releases means stealth updates to SG season 1. I doubt it, but I guessing for fully compliant stories in both cases for the foreseeable future.

I'm going to throw out my thoughts on the earring.

Leia sees herself in Nami. She sees a young girl in love with someone she likely shouldn't be, as she was with William, only to have that person move on (William left and found Miru/Nika with Summer). She gives her the earring and some comforting words, something she never got before she spiralled into depression and anorexia.

The only question is why a Petrova, a family that hate the Zane's, has possession of the matching earring.
Leia hasn't been seen in WiaB, and we don't know if the woman who gave Nami the earing was Leia. The woman who gave Nami the earring, gave it to Nami while Nika was with Summer. We need to wait to hear the explanation of why Sasha has an earring as well.

There used to be, it was removed, and the "restoration" patch adds it back.
Again, adding something back that the author has discarded is just confusing, and will make it more confusing when the author (finally explains it in their own terms as a reveal. I'm noticing some of the details I remember have slipped between versions. The patch might 'fix' the story to match people's past headcanon, but it screws up our ability to take the current story at face value. The current official script is the only one that moves forward. The fan mods will not develop to alter season 2 to fix their restored season 1. The further Ocean writes SG, the more it will deviate from the fan mod.

Or not. But right now I can only take the official version as ...the official version.

Sorry for typos. Wine is my excuse.
 
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