VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

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BobTheDuck said:
It's "the" lake that they went to with Noji. That makes it a specific lake, compared to the ones they didn't go to with Noji. "I was always there with Noji" is a reference to how common it was that they went to the lake because it was close to where they were as kids. The context shows it's the same lake. The rest, just do the math, a six hour drive is how many km and how many countries/states to drive through?
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Let's say you live somewhere for 15 years, you frequent a movie theatre then move 700 miles away (Amber's gonna bomb 120mph for 6hrs :cool:).

Some years later someone asks "when's the last time you went to the movie theatre?". Would your response be "I've never been to the movie theatre" or would you use your past experience, despite it being 700 miles away and respond "It's been a while"?
 
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Let's say you live somewhere for 15 years, you frequent a movie theatre then move 700 miles away (Amber's gonna bomb 120mph for 6hrs :cool:).

Some years later someone asks "when's the last time you went to the movie theatre?". Would your response be "I've never been to the movie theatre" or would you use your past experience, despite it being 700 miles away and respond "It's been a while"?
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It's the simplest conclusion from the script to think they're the same lake. Sure there's a possibility for a second lake, but if I talk about going to "the treehouse, I was always there with Nami" it's a singular place. Plus Nami ties the lake to Summer, by specifically trying to arouse Nika's thoughts about Summer at a place where he has memories of her. The scene is weaker if it's just a random lake that Nika has no prior memories about. The whole scene is about nostalgia, with Nami trying to get Nika to remember better times, and Nika actually remembering things about being younger. We also know they shared their cool lake spot with Summer from the flashbacks, and it was probably more than once - that was the whole point of Nami wearing her hair provocatively.

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The circumstantial evidence, the language used etc all point towards it currently being an oversight. It's far more likely (currently) that it's the same lake and Ocean will either ignore the math, and just hope people don't care, or retcon a whole bunch of stuff for it to make sense. It's also possible Ocean will explain it all very sensibly by adding info that we don't currently have, all the bridging info that helps make sense of how the cabin is so ridiculously far away. But it's really only one render and a crossfade away in an AVN anyway.

Everyone's free to have their own opinion, of course. I'm not going ot keep debating it today though, I'm just repeating what's already been said.
 
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It's the simplest conclusion from the script to think they're the same lake. Sure there's a possibility for a second lake, but if I talk about going to "the treehouse, I was always there with Nami" it's a singular place. Plus Nami ties the lake to Summer, by specifically trying to arouse Nika's thoughts about Summer at a place where he has memories of her. The scene is weaker if it's just a random lake that Nika has no prior memories about. The whole scene is about nostalgia, with Nami trying to get Nika to remember better times, and Nika actually remembering things about being younger. We also know they shared their cool lake spot with Summer from the flashbacks, and it was probably more than once - that was the whole point of Nami wearing her hair provocatively.

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The circumstantial evidence, the language used etc all point towards it currently being an oversight. It's far more likely (currently) that it's the same lake and Ocean will either ignore the math, and just hope people don't care, or retcon a whole bunch of stuff for it to make sense. It's also possible Ocean will explain it all very sensibly by adding info that we don't currently have, all the bridging info that helps make sense of how the cabin is so ridiculously far away. But it's really only one render and a crossfade away in an AVN anyway.

Everyone's free to have their own opinion, of course. I'm not going ot keep debating it today though, I'm just repeating what's already been said.
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All of the inconsistencies will be remedied when Ocean reworks chapters 4-5 in a couple years. (I wish I could add a /s, but we all know it will happen)
 
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All of the inconsistencies will be remedied when Ocean reworks chapters 4-5 in a couple years. (I wish I could add a /s, but we all know it will happen)
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Nah, he'll get overwhelmed by that. It's easier to retcon. And that's what'll happen, an overly complicated explanation that takes 250/300 renders of facial closeups and flashbacks, as Nika explains it all to Amber on her couch, while Amber grows sexually frustrated and just wishes he'd stop talking - and that will be the Amber 'content' for that update. :coffee::sneaky:

Summer is actually Keyser Söze, not Sasha.
 
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Nah, he'll get overwhelmed by that. It's easier to retcon. And that's what'll happen, an overly complicated explanation that takes 250/300 renders of facial closeups and flashbacks, as Nika explains it all to Amber on her couch, while Amber grows sexually frustrated and just wishes he'd stop talking. :coffee::sneaky:

Summer is actually Keyser Söze, not Sasha.
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...and now the game is ruined for me. Now all I picture is Spacey and Nika, cheers pal.

 
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byaaahh said:
...and now the game is ruined for me. Now all I picture is Spacey and Nika, cheers pal.

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I'm now reminded of the conspiracy/ninja plot from the old WiaB... and that Keyser Soze story where he kills his own family and then everybody else and their famillies. Imagine the big Summer twist being some crazy stuff like that.
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Sorry, I'm out of reacts :LOL:

I mean, what else should we talk about while we wait for an update?
- Did Willi have chemo? Is that him bald in the Katie render/s
- Are Seigbert and Gefritzel actual SCP like animals? /s
- Will Marla wear the Summer buns for Nika? /s
- Is the only other Willi sprogling Melanie Ceril? /s
- Is the reason we don't know about Ayua's parents because Ocean said there's no NTR in SG? /s
- Will we get to see ZOey's fluffy toy factory? /s
 
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BobTheDuck said:
It's the simplest conclusion from the script to think they're the same lake. Sure there's a possibility for a second lake, but if I talk about going to "the treehouse, I was always there with Nami" it's a singular place. Plus Nami ties the lake to Summer, by specifically trying to arouse Nika's thoughts about Summer at a place where he has memories of her. The scene is weaker if it's just a random lake that Nika has no prior memories about. The whole scene is about nostalgia, with Nami trying to get Nika to remember better times, and Nika actually remembering things about being younger. We also know they shared their cool lake spot with Summer from the flashbacks, and it was probably more than once - that was the whole point of Nami wearing her hair provocatively.

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The circumstantial evidence, the language used etc all point towards it currently being an oversight. It's far more likely (currently) that it's the same lake and Ocean will either ignore the math, and just hope people don't care, or retcon a whole bunch of stuff for it to make sense. It's also possible Ocean will explain it all very sensibly by adding info that we don't currently have, all the bridging info that helps make sense of how the cabin is so ridiculously far away. But it's really only one render and a crossfade away in an AVN anyway.

Everyone's free to have their own opinion, of course. I'm not going ot keep debating it today though, I'm just repeating what's already been said.
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Ducky ... Ducky ... Ducky
an oversight is having the old characters models and the new ones going back and forward on the same chapters because Ocean was kinda of a dumbass and didn't think about replacing the old models with the new ones when he remade those chapters.
the lake thing only show us that Ocean doesn't have a script and he's writing the story as he goes because the inconsistencies of the story has been there since the beginning .

so Ducky .......
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Ducky ... Ducky ... Ducky
an oversight is having the old characters models and the new ones going back and forward on the same chapters because Ocean was kinda of a dumbass and didn't think about replacing the old models with the new ones when he remade those chapters.
the lake thing only show us that Ocean doesn't have a script and he's writing the story as he goes because the inconsistencies of the story has been there since the beginning .

so Ducky .......
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You're accusing me of semantics with this post? :coffee::sneaky:

Continuity errors of character models is just as much an oversight as continuity errors caused by script writing.

As far as letting it go, I clearly made you laugh on a Sunday, so there's no harm with me holding on ...I mean half the thread is people holding on, right??? :)
 
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