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Crashbullet

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I think the incident with WiaB has affected him a lot.
Definitely, I haven't read the Patreon rules, is there a way to appeal or re-upload the game by removing what it was removed for, or by changing its name?
I just see it this way, that he is trying to be "good" for some government agencies, gaming platforms, etc., at the expense of his patrons. I am starting to get annoyed by all sorts of "I hid my tit so that they would give me a license, access, 16+, death star"


And in order not to be accused of being on a pirate site... I am actually a "privateer", I have a license on Steam and was once the patron of this ship of Theseus.
 
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Turret

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So Ocean dropped another update to Steam this morning. It fixed the script issues I had identified yesterday, but I then noticed he had some shots of Nami in Ch2 (the nude body painting scene with Ayua) and in Ch4 (the lake scene with MC) changed (again!) to the non-topless version. Those versions were part of the initial Steam release 18 months ago but he had quickly changed them to the Patreon topless version. So why changing them back...and there were some inconsistencies too as some of the topless ones were kept !

So I sent him another message enquiring why and he basically said it will remain as such for now, as the game is going for another review to be sold on the German Steam store. He doesn't want to jeopardize his chances.
He then uploaded another patch later this evening that fixes the inconsistencies between topless and non-topless renders. It's all non-topless now.

Obviously this means I'm uploading another version of the Uncut Mod right now to restore the topless renders, would not be necessary to upgrade for those who run the Patreon build, but it would for all Steam users.
That shows Ocean has both understood well and nothing at all too! Because the Steam regulations for Germany (and a couple other nations) are quite different from the German USK stuff!
The USK agency is very leger on sexual stuff, very hard on violence. Had Ocean gone to the USK guys first with the hardest x version of SG and gotten a 16, maybe even 12 USK rating (since SG is fluffy washed to near death), he could have taken this rating to Steam and everything would have gone nicely. Because when Steam gets an official rating with a game sale request, they normally do not sniff very hard because if something happens, Steam can point to the offical USK rating.

Steam´s own rating staff, whoever those guys are, got spooked by several governments regulations when it comes to minors seeing "bad" sexual pictures on the Steam website. So they blocked several nations and getting anything sexual approved by them for below age 18 is nearly impossible.
The biggest joke here is the fact that like so many things from the old incompetent government (not that the new one is much better), the German regulation never was activated at all, there will be a new one made whenever that happens, but Steam had already reacted.
Ocean fucked up in that he went to Steam first for a rating in a AVN, because he was to hard-arsed to pay for the USK rating, which would have given him easy entry to Steam! As I mentioned in another post, there is an indie developer who paid for the USK rating and got a 16, despite that game having strippers doing strippy things.:p It went on Steam without a hitch.
 

NadaMucho

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I'm new to the title and was also surprised that... for the amount of content released, there were no sex scenes. I skimmed some other posts about the author taking out this or that nudity scenes and not including sex for sales purposes. Can't really tell you too much about that but I can say a few things to the folks who fight about it.

1. I was surprised that their were no sex scenes but it's the dev's prerogative. Fair enough.
2. Yelling at people who are surprised or unhappy with number one by saying things like "this isn't a porn simulator" is complete bullshit. My tracking sheet says I've been through 216 different AVN titles. ALL of them (barring this one) have sex scenes. So getting on someone for expecting sex in an AVN is disingenuous at best.

Just because the name of the restaurant is Hamburger Joes doesn't mean we server hamburgers you philistine!

 
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Mamaragan

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Yelling at people who are surprised or unhappy with number one by saying things like "this isn't a porn simulator" is complete bullshit. My tracking sheet says I've been through 216 different AVN titles. ALL of them (baring this one) have sex scenes. So getting on someone for expecting sex in an AVN is disingenuous at best.
I think you're skewing facts to favor you, because you literally have a splashscreen at the start of the game WARNING you the game has yet to have sex scenes and that this VN is story oriented.

So yeah, this particular hamburger joint is basically letting you know it doesn't have hamburgers yet and asking you to use common sense before complaining about the lack of them. :BootyTime:
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BobTheDuck

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I think you're skewing facts to favor you, because you literally have a splashscreen at the start of the game WARNING you the game has yet to have sex scenes and that this VN is story oriented.

So yeah, this particular hamburger joint is basically letting you know it doesn't have hamburgers yet and asking you to use common sense before complaining about the lack of them. :BootyTime:
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Well, it used to until the full season 1 release. The Steam version doesn't have it.
 

BobTheDuck

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But people whining about the lack of sex preceded the steam release. It's a well-known point of contention.
I know, but using an image that isn't in the current game to prove something about the game in it's current form is like talking about Nika trying to shoot Marla with a gun. It's no longer part of the game. People making comments today might never have seen that screen at all.
 

yossa999

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I'm new to the title and was also surprised that... for the amount of content released, there were no sex scenes. I skimmed some other posts about the author taking out this or that nudity scenes and not including sex for sales purposes. Can't really tell you too much about that but I can say a few things to the folks who fight about it.

1. I was surprised that their were no sex scenes but it's the dev's prerogative. Fair enough.
2. Yelling at people who are surprised or unhappy with number one by saying things like "this isn't a porn simulator" is complete bullshit. My tracking sheet says I've been through 216 different AVN titles. ALL of them (baring this one) have sex scenes. So getting on someone for expecting sex in an AVN is disingenuous at best.

Just because the name of the restaurant is Hamburger Joes doesn't mean we server hamburgers you philistine!

You see, the main problem of these people are comprehension issues. If you read "Din Tai Fung" as "Hamburger Joes" its unlikely the restaurant problem.

Have you read the developer notes on the main page?
"This isn't a porn game! This is a story-focused game with adult elements.
If you just want to fap, this is certainly the wrong game for you.

Story build-up does need some time."

This note alone can give you an idea of what to expect from this game, right? There are also a lot of hints, like none of the "sex" tags in the game's taglist and so on.

But the problem is not even that someone, not paying attention to all this, started the game and did not find the porn he expected, and wrote about it in the thread. Maybe someone will react to such a post, but most fans of the game have long since stopped caring about such posts, they simply ignore them.

The problem is that there is a certain type of person who feels like the developer owes them the world. So they feel cheated and robbed when they don't find content that even wasn't supposed to be there, and they start a crusade against the developer, the game, and those who enjoy it. There are very special people who sitting for years in the thread of the game they hate, speaking of the developer they hate with the people they hate. Love them, cuties. :giggle:

Although, in my opinion, this is only a problem for those who don't know how to put them on ignore or for some reason not willing to do so.
 

Mamaragan

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I know, but using an image that isn't in the current game to prove something about the game in it's current form is like talking about Nika trying to shoot Marla with a gun. It's no longer part of the game. People making comments today might never have seen that screen at all.
Have you seen new names complaining about it? Common now, you and I know this is literally what the game is negatively known for.
 

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I know, but using an image that isn't in the current game to prove something about the game in it's current form is like talking about Nika trying to shoot Marla with a gun. It's no longer part of the game. People making comments today might never have seen that screen at all.
The best parts were scrubbed :(
 

BobTheDuck

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Have you seen new names complaining about it? Common now, you and I know this is literally what the game is negatively known for.
You were literally telling someone who said they were new to the game. Doesn't matter how long they've been on the site.

Nami rubbing herself on Nika :cry:
But we get a better looking one in Season 2...we just have to wait :HideThePain:
 

NadaMucho

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I think you're skewing facts to favor you, because you literally have a splashscreen at the start of the game WARNING you the game has yet to have sex scenes and that this VN is story oriented.

So yeah, this particular hamburger joint is basically letting you know it doesn't have hamburgers yet and asking you to use common sense before complaining about the lack of them. :BootyTime:
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Yea I never saw the screenshot above but I'm not complaining about there being no sex (just started yesterday), I was just surprised. No shade, it's fine by me. What I was commenting on was folks being chastised because they expected sex in an AVN when that's a core feature of all the AVNs I've ever read. HOWEVER... if I was presented with a screenshot like you've shown above then I wouldn't have much to complain about. Didn't mean to kick up a fuss. Peace. :)
 

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I think you're skewing facts to favor you, because you literally have a splashscreen at the start of the game WARNING you the game has yet to have sex scenes and that this VN is story oriented.
Nice try, but it's not him who's twisting the facts to his advantage, it's you. The game used to have porn scenes and no warning screensaver. It was only after Ocean censored the game that this screensaver appeared.
 

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Nice try, but it's not him who's twisting the facts to his advantage, it's you. The game used to have porn scenes and no warning screensaver. It was only after Ocean censored the game that this screensaver appeared.
Really?

I can't say I've been playing nor known this game from the very beginning when there were 2 people involved in this VN. Heck, I can't even remember well the timeline, I can only remember that the earliest I played was before the first version of 3.5 was released. We had Dark points (I think), and we had the gun scene at the beginning as well, and even back then, we had the the blueballing intro screensaver (which I just found out and didn't even noticed that it wasn't added on the newer version?). Nevertheless, you're saying/claiming that the game used to have porn scenes. Are those from a very much earlier version when I picked this game? Do you have any screenshots or at least descriptions of said scenes?

Genuinely asking, I would like to say that I can remember this game well from the 1st day I picked it up, and same for the most popular topics discussed about the game, but I can certainly not remember ever seen or read anything about porn scenes on this VN.

Considering how very little I trust my memory, I could be wrong.
 

yossa999

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Really?

I can't say I've been playing nor known this game from the very beginning when there were 2 people involved in this VN. Heck, I can't even remember well the timeline, I can only remember that the earliest I played was before the first version of 3.5 was released. We had Dark points (I think), and we had the gun scene at the beginning as well, and even back then, we had the the blueballing intro screensaver (which I just found out and didn't even noticed that it wasn't added on the newer version?). Nevertheless, you're saying/claiming that the game used to have porn scenes. Are those from a very much earlier version when I picked this game? Do you have any screenshots or at least descriptions of said scenes?

Genuinely asking, I would like to say that I can remember this game well from the 1st day I picked it up, and same for the most popular topics discussed about the game, but I can certainly not remember ever seen or read anything about porn scenes on this VN.

Considering how very little I trust my memory, I could be wrong.
This game never had a porn scene in the sense of penetration or oral sex.
The closest thing to sex was the jacuzzi scene between Nami and Nika in chapter 4, when Nami rubbed his dick with her butt. But there was no penetration, just teasing.
Also there were a few henital shots in various situations, most of them were shots of the MC's flaccid dick.
All this was removed before the Steam release.
UPDATE: Although, you know, there was one thing. There was a scene where Nami persuaded Nika to watch porn with her. Now he always refuses, but before the rework, such an opportunity was there. And during this scene Nika could choose what kind of porn they will watch. And then there was a few shots from real porn on the TV, like they are watching a real porn.
 
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