VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Tremonia]

I get your point,but Nr.1 makes no sense without the original script where Nika shot a blank at her,no?
Why whould Nika be a part of her problem when he's just a wittness at this point?

Because he's a witness and saw what she did. Now she has to see both, victim and witness, on daily basis at her work. Guilt doesn't always work rational. That's the point.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I think it's easier to think of it as association. Marla feels guilty about a life altering event she caused and seeing Nika and Victoria, the people that were a part of it in some form or another, is a reminder of that and it resurfaces her feelings about it. It's hard for her to move through these feelings or that "it's in the past" when they are present everyday at work when she sees them.

 

[DarkOs31]

Because he's a witness and saw what she did. Now she has to see both, victim and witness, on daily basis at her work. Guilt doesn't always work rational. That's the point.

Like i pinpointed out,it still makes no sense...I'm sorry i just don't get it...
I witnessed some car crashes in reallife,i've seen my best friend's sister flying out of a car ,crashing against a tree,screaming like there's no tomorrow,i couldn't stop crying for 3 days straight...Even at her funeral i couldn't stop...
The guy who drove the car and didn't do anything wrong was at the funeral too,but i never thought about something like "It's his fault" ,i never felt like i need to hear his version of this accident...Is it "i don't care" from my side? Am i strange? I'm really curious about this,no offence...

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Like i pinpointed out,it still makes no sense...I'm sorry i just don't get it...
I witnessed some car crashes in reallife,i've seen my best friend's sister flying out of a car ,crashing against a tree,screaming like there's no tomorrow,i couldn't stop crying for 3 days straight...Even at her funeral i couldn't stop...
The guy who drove the car and didn't do anything wrong was at the funeral too,but i never thought about something like "It's his fault" ,i never felt like i need to hear his version of this accident...Is it "i don't care" from my side? Am i strange? I'm really curious about this,no offence...

You're a witness in your example, not an active agent in the event like Marla. What if you drove the car that caused your friend's sister harm? What would you feel about that?
Nika isn't really bothered, Marla is. She sees him and is reminded of what happened and that's why she wants him to be a part of her therapy.

 

[Tremonia]

Like i pinpointed out,it still makes no sense...

No. Your phrasing is just wrong. It should be "it still makes no sense to me".

I'm sorry i just don't get it...

I can see that.

I witnessed some car crashes in reallife,i've seen my best friend's sister flying out of a car ,crashing against a tree,screaming like there's no tomorrow,i couldn't stop crying for 3 days straight...Even at her funeral i couldn't stop...
The guy who drove the car and didn't do anything wrong was at the funeral too,but i never thought about something like "It's his fault" ,i never felt like i need to hear his version of this accident...

Yeah, and because all people are like you, you're expecting everyone acts like you. And why do you think Marla needs MC to hear her version of the accident? You're way too focused on MC. Other characters exist, and they have their own problems, their own views, their own needs. MC isn't the center of the world. He's just the player's point of view.

Oh, and BTW the guy who drove the car did something wrong. No one flies out of a car when the seatbelt is on. As a driver you've to make sure everyone is strapped. I don't know where you live, so I don't know your laws there, but in my country the driver gets punishment when a passenger is unbelted.

Is it "i don't care" from my side? Am i strange?

Well, that's something a therapist should answer not some randoms on internet. I could answer form my POV, but it wouldn't help you.

I'm really curious about this,no offence...

And I'm curious why you always end sentences with three punctuation marks instead of just one. English isn't my native language, but as far as I know, punctuation marks aren't pack animals. Have I missed any changes in the English language

 

[DarkOs31]

You're a witness in your example, not an active agent in the event like Marla. What if you drove the car that caused your friend's sister harm? What would you feel about that?
Nika isn't really bothered, Marla is. She sees him and is reminded of what happened.

Makes sense in some way...
I'm not really convinced but i can see your point...
It's like i still feel guilty about that my dad died ,i wanted to call ambulance but he forbid it,telling me always he is fine,there is no problem,even i saw that his condition is getting worse...
But i didn't want to dissapoint him,even i knew better...
But it was his wish...
Something like this?

 

[BobTheDuck]

No. Your phrasing is just wrong. It should be "it still makes no sense to me".
I can see that.
Yeah, and because all people are like you, you're expecting everyone acts like you. And why do you think Marla needs MC to hear her version of the accident? You're way too focused on MC. Other characters exist, and they have their own problems, their own views, their own needs. MC isn't the center of the world. He's just the player's point of view.

Oh, and BTW the guy who drove the car did something wrong. No one flies out of a car when the seatbelt is on. As a driver you've to make sure everyone is strapped. I don't know where you live, so I don't know your laws there, but in my country the driver gets punishment when a passenger is unbelted.
Well, that's something a therapist should answer not some randoms on internet. I could answer form my POV, but it wouldn't help you.
And I'm curious why you always end sentences with three punctuation marks instead of just one. English isn't my native language, but as far as I know, punctuation marks aren't pack animals. Have I missed any changes in the English language

The three full stops are called an ellipsis, which is used to mark something left unsaid. It's usually used to signify when someone trails off in a conversation and leaves it open, because they believe the rest can be understood from the context. Also used often to describe a pause in thinking as a stylistic choice.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Makes sense in some way...
I'm not really convinced but i can see your point...
It's like i still feel guilty about that my dad died ,i wanted to call ambulance but he forbid it,telling me always he is fine,there is no problem,even i saw that his condition is getting worse...
But i didn't want to dissapoint him,even i knew better...
But it was his wish...
Something like this?

Sure, something closer to that. But also imagine that even if you didn't intend to, you caused your Dad's problem in the first place.

Victoria is still alive though so it's a bit different.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

The three full stops are called an ellipsis, which is used to mark something left unsaid. It's usually used to signify when someone trails off in a conversation and leaves it open, because they believe the rest can be understood from the context. Also used often to describe a pause in thinking as a stylistic choice.

Hmmm...I don't know about that Bob...you might be right...

 

[yossa999]

Like i pinpointed out,it still makes no sense...I'm sorry i just don't get it...
I witnessed some car crashes in reallife,i've seen my best friend's sister flying out of a car ,crashing against a tree,screaming like there's no tomorrow,i couldn't stop crying for 3 days straight...Even at her funeral i couldn't stop...
The guy who drove the car and didn't do anything wrong was at the funeral too,but i never thought about something like "It's his fault" ,i never felt like i need to hear his version of this accident...Is it "i don't care" from my side? Am i strange? I'm really curious about this,no offence...

It makes a perfect sense.
She was the cause of the accident.
She was the one who put a young girl into a wheelchair.
She was the one who panicked when she had to act.
She was the one who took the wrong decision despite Nika's advice (she called police instead of ambulance.) When time is of the essence, it could be the difference between life and death for Vic. This time, she's lucky.
It took a rough yelling from a younger guy to bring Marla to her senses and get her out of her stupor.

As a decent person, she can't help but feel guilty about the situation, even if she didn't hurt Vic on purpose. Also, I don't know how much we can trust Nika's judgement, but he mentioned that the car was going too fast. Maybe he imagined it, or maybe Marla was driving faster than allowed. We'll see in the next chapters.

And now she's a teacher for both of them and had to see them every day. As Bob said they will remind her about the accident again and again. Of course, people are different, and everyone will react differently. A sociopath can kill someone and feel nothing, and an empathic person can feel guilty for a harm they caused to others, even if it was just an accident.

So, do you really think that your own experience is universal and applied to every person living? How did you put it: I'm really curious about this, no offence...

There have been guys in this thread complaining that the MC's reaction to his mental trauma caused by Summer's disappearance is wrong and Ocean doesn't know shit about how the MC is supposed to feel. Like there's only one right way for people to deal with traumatic events and there's a right way to process this which suits everyone.

 

[DarkOs31]

No. Your phrasing is just wrong. It should be "it still makes no sense to me".
I can see that.
Yeah, and because all people are like you, you're expecting everyone acts like you. And why do you think Marla needs MC to hear her version of the accident? You're way too focused on MC. Other characters exist, and they have their own problems, their own views, their own needs. MC isn't the center of the world. He's just the player's point of view.

Oh, and BTW the guy who drove the car did something wrong. No one flies out of a car when the seatbelt is on. As a driver you've to make sure everyone is strapped. I don't know where you live, so I don't know your laws there, but in my country the driver gets punishment when a passenger is unbelted.
Well, that's something a therapist should answer not some randoms on internet. I could answer form my POV, but it wouldn't help you.
And I'm curious why you always end sentences with three punctuation marks instead of just one. English isn't my native language, but as far as I know, punctuation marks aren't pack animals. Have I missed any changes in the English language

Yeah my english lessons are from 30 years ago. The ... is a bad habbit. You are right,i was focused on MC cuz the story seemed to be MC's pov. . Don't insult the driver,all passengers had seatbelt on it was just unfortunate that she was at the opposite where the other car hit his car! Sorry that i'm to stupid to explain it right. I never expected that i'm allmighty and my way of thinking is the only way. It wasn't a question for a therapist,i just wanted to know if it's influencing me,nothing more.

 

[DarkOs31]

Sure, something closer to that. But also imagine that even if you didn't intend to, you caused your Dad's problem in the first place.

Victoria is still alive though so it's a bit different.

Whoa that was an example,i'm not that kind of a monster.
But i get your point now.

 

[Tremonia]

The three full stops are called an ellipsis, which is used to mark something left unsaid. It's usually used to signify when someone trails off in a conversation and leaves it open, because they believe the rest can be understood from the context.

I know that, but it wasn't used like that here.

Also used often to describe a pause in thinking as a stylistic choice.

Well, even it would fit here, and I say it don't, I prefer sentences made after one had finished thinking about what they want to say. But as I said, that wasn't an ellipsis or "a pause in thinking". These were full sentences.

 

[DarkOs31]

So, do you really think that your own experience is universal and applied to every person living? How did you put it: I'm really curious about this, no offence...

There have been guys in this thread complaining that the MC's reaction to his mental trauma caused by Summer's disappearance is wrong and Ocean doesn't know shit about how the MC is supposed to feel. Like there's only one right way for people to deal with traumatic events and there's a right way to process this which suits everyone.

No ofcourse not,i still have times where i'm thinking "what could i have done in the past,to prevent losing my first big love" ,doesn't everyone have those thoughts once in a while?
I had those times too,where i just froze,didn't know what to do.
I still have those moments haunting me,"you are not suited to be loved,you are trash" etc. .
It takes a while,sometimes even weeks,but i almost ever get over it,even there's this little shit nagging.
That's why i'm curious how other people think about this game and the MC especially .

 

[BobTheDuck]

I know that, but it wasn't used like that here.
Well, even it would fit here, and I say it don't, I prefer sentences made after one had finished thinking about what they want to say. But as I said, that wasn't an ellipsis or "a pause in thinking". These were full sentences.

Well, I was just letting you know as you asked, and didn't seem aware.

 

[DarkOs31]

I know that, but it wasn't used like that here.
Well, even it would fit here, and I say it don't, I prefer sentences made after one had finished thinking about what they want to say. But as I said, that wasn't an ellipsis or "a pause in thinking". These were full sentences.

I'm sorry if i offended you,that wasn't my purpose.
It's a bad habbit.
You can search my history,most of my sentences end with " ... "
Even some of my posts at "what do you listen to right now" include the 3 dots.
P.S.: I gladly accept it when you correct my grammar,isn't it good to improve ?

 

[yossa999]

No ofcourse not,i still have times where i'm thinking "what could i have done in the past,to prevent losing my first big love" ,doesn't everyone have those thoughts once in a while?
I had those times too,where i just froze,didn't know what to do.
I still have those moments haunting me,"you are not suited to be loved,you are trash" etc. .
It takes a while,sometimes even weeks,but i almost ever get over it,even there's this little shit nagging.
That's why i'm curious how other people think about this game and the MC especially .

I'm afraid that this is more than just the separation of two teenagers in love. From the hints in the game, you can understand that something so serious and shocking happened that MC is still experiencing panic attacks. And from the plot it is not yet clear, but perhaps it is not Summer's disappearance itself, but the events accompanying it. For example, Nami mentions a violent accident that happened to Nika and he was brought to the same hospital they went to visit Vick. And in MC's flashback he sees (his?) hand, blood and hears the medics saying "his lung collapsed."
And what torments the MC most is not even Summer's disappearance itself - he seems ready to come to terms with it and move on - but the fact that he does not know exactly what happened to her. He mentions this in his internal monologues. He needs a closure, so he wants to try to find out something through Emilio, although it seems that the recent events in the CH5 made him to postpone a visit to the shady barber.

 

[DarkOs31]

I'm afraid that this is more than just the separation of two teenagers in love. From the hints in the game, you can understand that something so serious and shocking happened that MC is still experiencing panic attacks. And from the plot it is not yet clear, but perhaps it is not Summer's disappearance itself, but the events accompanying it. For example, Nami mentions a violent accident that happened to Nika and he was brought to the same hospital they went to visit Vick. And in MC's flashback he sees (his?) hand, blood and hears the medics saying "his lung collapsed."
And what torments the MC most is not even Summer's disappearance itself - he seems ready to come to terms with it and move on - but the fact that he does not know exactly what happened to her. He mentions this in his internal monologues. He needs a closure, so he wants to try to find out something through Emilio, although it seems that the recent events in the CH5 made him to postpone a visit to the shady barber.

I still expect that Summer's family forcibly took Summer,cuz Nika is a discrace to their family and Nika is still denying it... I don't know how and why Nika can't remember it. But that's only my personal guess. Emillio has a hunch,but i guess it's more like he remembers MC with Summer and Eliza,again just a hunch...Eliza told us viewers that her family thinks MC is a disgrace...
It could be like you're saying,summer is dead...
I just think it's more complicated ,cuz many mention always WIAB,is it foreshaddowing,a hunch,a wish?
I don't know,this is my conspiracy theory ,what if the gangs from WIAB are still threatening the life's from the SG most remarkable persons like MC,Nami who are disguised etc. ... Is this stupid?Ofcourse!

 

[SToyS]

Try harder.

1. If you compliment Marla on her haircut, you find out that she is indeed seeing Amber for therapy. Which would be obvious to anyone playing the game, who notices she starts smokingwhen stressed by Nika. And she wants shared therapy with Nika, because he's part of her problem. Just try playing th game dude.



2. Sertraline is an antidepressant medication, basically zoloft. if you take it when you're not depressed it reduces brain volume of your memory, and your ability to regulate your mood. So no, Sasha's not taking it for performance enhancement. Try harder to play the game.



3. It's a cultural/social problem. That doesn't mean it's not a problem. She has a controlling family. Her trauma over leaving that controlling environment hasn't been explored, Nika's only just pushing her to get out of their influence. Are you that naive to believe that a controlling family won't leave emotional scars?

4. Nia's last words in that scene are:



So her issue is not sex, look at the difference with Bella who is clearly frustrated when Nika can't get it up. Nia's not horny, she wants Nika close because she's lonely, and that's the only thing she thinks she can use to keep him longer. Did you even read her story about how she had no friends except Summer? Her whole persona is awkward to the point she has a safe word with Nami to prevent her being socially awkward.

5. Did you even look at the image of bibi Zara being scolded? Oh, and her mom tried to gaslight her into believing Nick abused her. DId you read the game?





Zara was having her 'self esteem suppressed'. That's exactly what belittling her in front of others is, telling her how useless she was, and there was physical violence. So again, did you read the game?

6. Really? You didn't notice that Bella snapped when Nika asked about her sister? You didn't notice that Bella admitted she's broken?



Or the text messages where Bella admits her mom hasn't been able to help her?

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Or Ayua freaking out over Nika pushing Bella about her sister? Amber mentioning that Bella's ....seen some things?



And Nika gets sent to therapy, because of pushing Bella about her sister. That is the last straw for Noji, that Nika can't emotionally read the room and make good choices.

7. Nami's issues - regardless of how Ocean's changed her role, Nami's involved in something that caused Nika to be the way he is and why he needs therapy. It's most likely something to do with Summer, but we don't know yet.



But you've read the game right? You know all this. You didn't control click your way through the game at all.

1. I must have missed this.
2. Well, why didn’t you write further? Did you hide it on purpose to make yourself look like the winner in the discussion? Setraline is essentially a serotonin inhibitor that serves to accumulate dopamine in the brain. Dopamine makes a person stress-resistant, improves their work and improves brain function. That's why some students use it, especially before exams, to better remember information.
3. This sounds ridiculous. It turns out that all people who left their parents' home and live independently were traumatized. MC is also controlled by his mother. This happens in any normal family. Only in shitty families do parents not care about their children.
4. If a girl invites you to her home and shows her tits hinting at sex, you just turn around and leave thinking that she has psychological problems. Did I understand you correctly?
5. If a person is suppressed, they make him a moral invalid who is not capable of anything. If you are sent to a boxing club, and the trainer, instead of teaching you, suppresses you and puts you in sparring with strong boxers from whom you will immediately be knocked out. After this, I somehow doubt that you will become a great boxer, most likely you will bypass this boxing club a block away.
6. MC tried to anger Bella and he succeeded, he can be congratulated on this. Does this make him or Bella mentally ill? I doubt it, any person can be angered.

I read what you wrote and do not understand why you want to connect every insignificant little thing with psychological problems. Maybe you think that Ocean also has mental problems?

I'll add a few words. I don't understand why Marla has problems psychologically. She didn't break the rules, it was Victoria who crossed the road in the wrong place. Therefore, Marla can't blame herself for this incident.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

1. I must have missed this.
2. Well, why didn’t you write further? Did you hide it on purpose to make yourself look like the winner in the discussion? Setraline is essentially a serotonin inhibitor that serves to accumulate dopamine in the brain. Dopamine makes a person stress-resistant, improves their work and improves brain function. That's why some students use it, especially before exams, to better remember information.
3. This sounds ridiculous. It turns out that all people who left their parents' home and live independently were traumatized. MC is also controlled by his mother. This happens in any normal family. Only in shitty families do parents not care about their children.
4. If a girl invites you to her home and shows her tits hinting at sex, you just turn around and leave thinking that she has psychological problems. Did I understand you correctly?
5. If a person is suppressed, they make him a moral invalid who is not capable of anything. If you are sent to a boxing club, and the trainer, instead of teaching you, suppresses you and puts you in sparring with strong boxers from whom you will immediately be knocked out. After this, I somehow doubt that you will become a great boxer, most likely you will bypass this boxing club a block away.
6. MC tried to anger Bella and he succeeded, he can be congratulated on this. Does this make him or Bella mentally ill? I doubt it, any person can be angered.

I read what you wrote and do not understand why you want to connect every insignificant little thing with psychological problems. Maybe you think that Ocean also has mental problems?

For fucks sake man. All that was said by Bob was that non-physical healing was a theme. Nobody is being smug, but it really seems like you are having problems seeing what is written in game and how the characters view things.

For 3 you can't be serious. She was nervous on the bus because her brother was watching her when Nika sat down because she wasn't allowed to have interactions with men. Nika then told her that she would need to make a choice about this for her future. For tabletop game day, the group had to lie to her family and say that Sasha was needed for an all-girl after school women's safety program so that they didn't think that she was interacting with men.
Yes it's culture. Nobody said otherwise. You are broad brushing everything as if people are traumatized from war or something. People have issues that effect them that aren't always physical. That's all.

For 4 forget about tits. They don't matter for this. Hard, I know. Immediately after Nika leaves she has a grim look on her face, starts pacing around, and curls up on the ground whispering "all alone" while dark ominous music plays. She isn't bummed because she didn't get dick. If you can't get that, then there is no helping you. The loneliness and socialization theme fits with other interactions and dialogue with her.

You already missed the first two as you said so if you can't get these why bother with the rest.