VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[SToyS]

Even if you are correct about Ocean spending 4 minutes per frame render in the past (I don't remember and am not obsessed about it enough to check), you are forgetting an eency-weency fact that he was rendering HD videos back then. Now everything is in 4K (as you even quoted yourself).
4 times more pixels to render and 4K videos to encode instead of HD makes 45-hour or longer sessions totally plausible if you are correct about HD videos taking about 10 hours

As far as I understand, the 4-minute time is taken from a log where Ocean compares the rendering time of the old and new workstations, all renders in 4K.
You are right about one thing, the rendering time there is completely different, because it was just a part of a larger message. The point was that even a beginner would understand that Ocean was lying if they multiplied the rendering time of one frame by the number of renders in the animation (apparently, this was intended for people like me). Although, as far as I understand, doing that is also wrong. Then there was a bunch of technical information that I don't understand.
At the end, it said that the rendering time of 150 images is not the same as the rendering time of an animation consisting of 150 frames. As far as I understand, the difference here is that when an image is rendered, it is rendered completely. But when an animation is rendered, only the first frame is rendered completely, because the next frame is practically the same with minor changes, and only those changes are rendered in it. Therefore, if it took 10 hours to render 150 images, then the time for an animation of 150 frames will be several times less. Although, perhaps I misunderstood something.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Since I don't know which log from when did you take that information from or what kind of data did it describe, I can't really say how right, wrong or accurate you are, nor do I care enough to try to search for the source of your information about Oceans hardware and render times if you don't refer to it yourself as a proof of what you're trying to show.

And yes, rendering animations takes less time per frame in average than it takes to render separate static images. Rendering separate images takes him a lot more than 4 minutes per scene, especially if you take scene loading times into account.

What I also do know for sure is that render times of different scene set ups can differ quite a lot, one can be several times faster or slower than another, depending on the scene complexity. If Ocean says that one of the current animations/cinematics in his render queue takes him 40 hours to render, then whatever, it probably does now, since the complexity of his scenes seems to grow with every upgrade of his hardware and he keeps pushing it.
Some old data about rendering a different scene doesn't say much about how long it takes to render a new one, anyway.

Unlike you, I am not obsessed about proving that Ocean is wasting time on lying about his stats.

Mods are going to delete this discussion according to General Rules #2.7 sooner or later anyway.

 

[BobTheDuck]

That will change when Dr. Ocean finally decides to give Nami the breasts she always wanted.

He already did in the TT game

 

[Dr.TSoni]

He already did in the TT game

That was more of a Nami's daydream

 

[BobTheDuck]

That was more of a Nami's daydream

Could be Ocean dreaming of comfy pillows, both can be true.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Could be Ocean dreaming of comfy pillows, both can be true.

Ok, jokes aside, it would get dull if everyone was busty.

The big tits clan disapproves of this message

 

[Turret]

That USK committee sounds like they shouldn't be allowed to plan even their own lunch. What a bunch of dipshits.

Well, you have to say that Ocean has a "lucky" hand for being unlucky. There is not just one USK comitee, one alone could never do all the work, there are several. And Ocean "aced" it with getting the woke one.
A decade ago there were very small differences between the rulings of the comitees. Be hard on violent content, sexual content just keep blatant porn over 18.
But these woke f... have spread like a cancer. Suppossedly for freedom, diversity and stuff, they are in reality the most dense and self-righteous bunch you can find. Ever tried to reason with one? I have. To quote a famous journalist: "Just look at a couple pictures of the protesters. A Ku-Klux-Klan meeting is more diverse than any of those woke and diversity protest groups."

 

[SToyS]

Since I don't know which log from when did you take that information from or what kind of data did it describe, I can't really say how right, wrong or accurate you are, nor do I care enough to try to search for the source of your information about Oceans hardware and render times if you don't refer to it yourself as a proof of what you're trying to show.

And yes, rendering animations takes less time per frame in average than it takes to render separate static images. Rendering separate images takes him a lot more than 4 minutes per scene, especially if you take scene loading times into account.

What I also do know for sure is that render times of different scene set ups can differ quite a lot, one can be several times faster or slower than another, depending on the scene complexity. If Ocean says that one of the current animations/cinematics in his render queue takes him 40 hours to render, then whatever, it probably does now, since the complexity of his scenes seems to grow with every upgrade of his hardware and he keeps pushing it.
Some old data about rendering a different scene doesn't say much about how long it takes to render a new one, anyway.

Unlike you, I am not obsessed about proving that Ocean is wasting time on lying about his stats.

Mods are going to delete this discussion according to General Rules #2.7 sooner or later anyway.

You know, over all these years that I've been watching the game, there have been people who have blamed Ocean and people who have defended him. The weird thing is, those who blamed Ocean also knew how to render images, while those who defended him couldn't.

By the way, I asked the people who blamed Ocean how much time they spend rendering animations. One of them said he made an animation that had more than 2000 frames. In the morning he turned on the PC, set it to render animation and left. The next morning, he came back, and the animation was ready. He doesn't know the exact rendering time, but he says it's definitely faster than the 150-frame animation that Ocean spent 50 hours rendering.
Now I want to ask you, how long does it take you to render an animation?

 

[LHDLLB]

You know, over all these years that I've been watching the game, there have been people who have blamed Ocean and people who have defended him. The weird thing is, those who blamed Ocean also knew how to render images, while those who defended him couldn't.

By the way, I asked the people who blamed Ocean how much time they spend rendering animations. One of them said he made an animation that had more than 2000 frames. In the morning he turned on the PC, set it to render animation and left. The next morning, he came back, and the animation was ready. He doesn't know the exact rendering time, but he says it's definitely faster than the 150-frame animation that Ocean spent 50 hours rendering.
Now I want to ask you, how long does it take you to render an animation?

Alex I missed you. The Thread tends to get quite after some time, and more so nearling the release, but your insights always stirs some life to it. Even if for all the wrong reasons, welcome back

 

[alanrock]

You know, over all these years that I've been watching the game, there have been people who have blamed Ocean and people who have defended him. The weird thing is, those who blamed Ocean also knew how to render images, while those who defended him couldn't.

By the way, I asked the people who blamed Ocean how much time they spend rendering animations. One of them said he made an animation that had more than 2000 frames. In the morning he turned on the PC, set it to render animation and left. The next morning, he came back, and the animation was ready. He doesn't know the exact rendering time, but he says it's definitely faster than the 150-frame animation that Ocean spent 50 hours rendering.
Now I want to ask you, how long does it take you to render an animation?

I knew a dude, Alex, I think was his name, who could render faster than the speed of light. Any developer who cannot render 1000 animations per minute is a scam artist and milker.

 

[SToyS]

Alex I missed you. The Thread tends to get quite after some time, and more so nearling the release, but your insights always stirs some life to it. Even if for all the wrong reasons, welcome back

I knew a dude, Alex, I think was his name, who could render faster than the speed of light. Any developer who cannot render 1000 animations per minute is a scam artist and milker.

Judging by your two comments, there's some guy named Alex who renders fast and calls Ocean a milker. Am I understanding you correctly? Are you comparing him to me because I also criticize Ocean? I can assure you that everyone who can render images calls Ocean a milker, not just Alex. Otherwise, I'd still be sitting here reading Ocean's logs and believing every word. And I am very grateful to such people for sharing information and telling how everything should work.

 

[litbnwo]

I'm wondering why was my question about putting a tag abandoned on this game deleted? Patreon is gone, other sites also have nothing new. What's going on?

 

[El_Magnifico]

Judging by your two comments, there's some guy named Alex who renders fast and calls Ocean a milker. Am I understanding you correctly? Are you comparing him to me because I also criticize Ocean? I can assure you that everyone who can render images calls Ocean a milker, not just Alex. Otherwise, I'd still be sitting here reading Ocean's logs and believing every word. And I am very grateful to such people for sharing information and telling how everything should work.

"I don't know this Alex but he sounds like a great guy !"

 

[SToyS]

"I don't know this Alex but he sounds like a great guy !"

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I don't mind, you can call me Alex, I even like it.

 

[Mortarion]

Patreon is gone, other sites also have nothing new. What's going on?

Maybe just maybe because you lie to yourself or close your eyes and ears while singing loud LALALALA?

Patreon gone, correct.

SubscribeStar is - until now - still present.

Last devlog was posted here a couple of days ago.

 

[Dingolingo]

I'm wondering why was my question about putting a tag abandoned on this game deleted? Patreon is gone, other sites also have nothing new. What's going on?

mine was also removed. however, unlike you, i don't have to wonder why.

a devlog was posted like, 20 posts above yours? that's why your dumbass comment was removed.
you'd know if you used the search function or just simply .... scrolled up.

i hope that helped!

 

[litbnwo]

Maybe just maybe because you lie to yourself or close your eyes and ears while singing loud LALALALA?

Patreon gone, correct.

SubscribeStar is - until now - still present.

Last devlog was posted here a couple of days ago.

LALALALA ok

 

[Joan6969]

I'm wondering why was my question about putting a tag abandoned on this game deleted? Patreon is gone, other sites also have nothing new. What's going on?

I'm gonna take a far out wild guess and say Off topic{it gets used a lot here on this specific forum }
In fact I doubt this will last long.

 

[Teal80]

You know, over all these years that I've been watching the game, there have been people who have blamed Ocean and people who have defended him. The weird thing is, those who blamed Ocean also knew how to render images, while those who defended him couldn't.

By the way, I asked the people who blamed Ocean how much time they spend rendering animations. One of them said he made an animation that had more than 2000 frames. In the morning he turned on the PC, set it to render animation and left. The next morning, he came back, and the animation was ready. He doesn't know the exact rendering time, but he says it's definitely faster than the 150-frame animation that Ocean spent 50 hours rendering.
Now I want to ask you, how long does it take you to render an animation?

Your source is talking shit. Try it yourself. It takes me around 12 mins to render a single frame of a relatively simple image in Daz on at 1080p to a reasonable quality using a 4090. I don't run a denoise script per frame so I don't know the additional time. A 150 frame animation will take me around 24-30 hours at 1080p. I dread to think what it would be at 4k and complex scenes with additional lighting on my rig.

 

[SToyS]

Your source is talking shit. Try it yourself. It takes me around 12 mins to render a single frame of a relatively simple image in Daz on at 1080p to a reasonable quality using a 4090. I don't run a denoise script per frame so I don't know the additional time. A 150 frame animation will take me around 24-30 hours at 1080p. I dread to think what it would be at 4k and complex scenes with additional lighting on my rig.

Look at the screenshots on this website from DPC, where a fan of theirs rendered one frame in a couple of minutes on a 1080ti. I even asked a question on Google out of curiosity: How long does it take a 4090 to render one image? I didn't bother looking at all the answers, only looking at four renders. The rendering time for one image on a 4090 was between 23 and 45 seconds. Is this also shit in your opinion?