Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

[j4yj4m]

To be honest...he could bang less but it's up to him.

He recently had a vasectomy, so this one really should be his last.

 

[Manul56]

He recently had a vasectomy, so this one really should be his last.

Come on ,we all know that DC is a babymaker.A mere vasectomy wont stop him

 

[j4yj4m]

Come on ,we all know that DC is a babymaker.A mere vasectomy wont stop him

Yeah, he's certainly the kind of guy who'd be "lucky" enough to get another child that way.

 

[Raminita]

Round 3

 

[roger545353535353]

I think you are at least 1,5 years behind the curve. DC's saying for a very long time now that he'll only get a second artist if the perfect person comes around and it's pretty much obvious that he'd rather like to finish the game alone.
So it's not like he's making any excuses, it's not like he's asking for more money and it's not like the speed has changed that much, when you actually take all things into account. In the end it simply won't matter whether he earns 30.000, 50.000 or 80.000, the speed will stay as it is and as it has been for the last two years.

Sure, people will bang on about it for the next 2 years, too, but at some point people will simply have to ask themselves, whether they are wasting their time complaining about this specific point.

Edit:

He was quite enthusiastic about his next project about 2 years ago (he even thought about hiring somebody to prepare the new engine etc. back then), but it looks he then decided to go all in for SS instead. Once we started getting better animations, the rig system, etc. he's hardly ever talked about new projects.

But sure, it's his job and he seems to have fun. So I don't really see why he'd stop as long as people want to play what he creates.

You really think he's going to finish this game in 2 years lol? I'll bet by 2030 we'll be at the last build at the very least with how slow these updates are.

 

[j4yj4m]

You really think he's going to finish this game in 2 years lol? I'll bet by 2030 we'll be at the last build at the very least with how slow these updates are.

No, the game will at least take another ~3 years for what is planned. After it's really only up to DC and his patreons. Else I didn't say the game will be finished in two years, but that (the same?) people will still complain about the speed by then, after they've done so for the last two years.

 

[Wild Red]

man I wish I had your patience.
yea I know your arguments. Handmade high quality content, birth, corona, he lost his keys...
honestly, DC's fanbase is the wet dream of every dev.
props to all of you

 

[Deleted member 519678]

In my opinion it all falls down to:
If you don't approve of what the dev. is doing, then stop giving him money. And if you're not giving him money, then just wait, the game will be free anyway.

 

[j4yj4m]

man I wish I had your patience.
yea I know your arguments. Handmade high quality content, birth, corona, he lost his keys...
honestly, DC's fanbase is the wet dream of every dev.
props to all of you

I'd say the unique thing about DC's "fan base" is, that the average donation is much lower. He makes his money by a very high number of small $ patreons. Most people simply give $1, some $5 and very few more than that. It's a substancial difference whether you pay $10 to $20 a month to play MilfCity (lol, sorry) or $0 to $12 a year to play SS.

And yes, those who only pay a few bucks a year certainly tend to be more patient than those who pay $200 or more to other devs. I personally see those few bucks a year as a token of gratitude and that's it. That's of course only as long as he's doing stuff...

Edit: Just to add one thing, which I think many people are really underestimating. He's streaming several times a week for many years now, without accepting donations there. And he's actually a pretty good streamer. He's likable, has a good voice, remembers a ton of users, does a lot of stuff to keep people active during streams, let's them participate in small decisions and answers their questions, while he usually has a good schedule and streams the right amount of spoilers, etc. That attracts people, makes them stay and makes them pay.

 

[Wild Red]

In my opinion it all falls down to:
If you don't approve of what the dev. is doing, then stop giving him money. And if you're not giving him money, then just wait, the game will be free anyway.

of course I wait, what else could I do !?
giving him money won't speed up the progress, so...
see you in 1 or 2 months.
stay strong till then

 

[Gasanvar]

Dc is proud of you for playing the devils advocate

 

[otranu]

well

 

[2xjj]

well

Well what

 

[Wild Red]

Edit: Just to add one thing, which I think many people are really underestimating. He's streaming several times a week for many years now, without accepting donations there. And he's actually a pretty good streamer. He's likable, has a good voice, remembers a ton of users, does a lot of stuff to keep people active during streams, let's them participate in small decisions and answers their questions, while he usually has a good schedule and streams the right amount of spoilers, etc. That attracts people, makes them stay and makes them pay.

sry but I'm not interested in his streams nor a making-of of a porn game.
I'd rather see him put that energy in the game development itself.
streaming, chatting with fans, having fun while making papers... as I said, someone is living the dream.
hats off

 

[cadwaladr]

I'd say the unique thing about DC's "fan base" is, that the average donation is much lower. He makes his money by a very high number of small $ patreons. Most people simply give $1, some $5 and very few more than that. It's a substancial difference whether you pay $10 to $20 a month to play MilfCity (lol, sorry) or $0 to $12 a year to play SS.

And yes, those who only pay a few bucks a year certainly tend to be more patient than those who pay $200 or more to other devs. I personally see those few bucks a year as a token of gratitude and that's it. That's of course only as long as he's doing stuff...

Edit: Just to add one thing, which I think many people are really underestimating. He's streaming several times a week for many years now, without accepting donations there. And he's actually a pretty good streamer. He's likable, has a good voice, remembers a ton of users, does a lot of stuff to keep people active during streams, let's them participate in small decisions and answers their questions, while he usually has a good schedule and streams the right amount of spoilers, etc. That attracts people, makes them stay and makes them pay.

Sure, streaming, that's worth the money. Except he doesn't stream "spoiler" content. But streaming was his hook (you'll notice he doesn't do it as much as he used to). When he did he would also stream content that never ever appeared in the game (he did loads before he changed the character rigging, which means all that "work" is in the recycle bin). When he's doing that, he's pretending to work. It looks like work, smells like work, but isn't. And you're lavishing praise on him for not working for nearly $56k a month? Just because you aren't personally being scammed doesn't mean you can't call out a scam.

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[j4yj4m]

@Gasanvar:
Well, the time saving aspect was always questionable, given that everything has to be drawn anyway. The rig-system mainly served the purpose to save space, to enable the game to stay playable on mobiles especially, given that in some areas (especially the SEA) the majority of players seems to play on mobiles by now.

And sure, there are differences between devs. DC is a guy who worked in the animation industry, got fed up and wants to make his own thing with a small team. Other devs want to grow their business, etc. - each to their own. In the end people are free to give money to whom they like. But again, it's not like he's promising something he doesn't keep.

Edit: Just to add the stuff with the children. Sure, money matters, but you'll never get the time back you miss watching them grow up etc. so I can totally understand that people take a least a little time to enable that. At least I certainly know that I'll try to minimize travel and days away from home as much as possible once I've got kids. No matter whether it means a little less money or not... But that's, probably again, something everyone has to decide for himself.
/Edit

@cadwldr:
Sorry but that's just not true. Sure, he did some work ages ago (over 2 years by now), but that was when he was still talking about new projects and wanted to get SS done quickly. Those things were dropped rightfully because the quality was simply subpar. Once he decided to take it seriously, I'm not aware of anything that was lost. I do indeed dare you to name a few things he streamed in the last 12 to 18 months that went into the bin.

And sure, he doesn't do as much spoiler content as he used to, because back then he basically streamed huge parts of the update and the suprise was gone. Now he cares a little more and people don't get spoiled to the degree that they know what's going to happen. You may not agree with that, but it does make quite a bit of sense.

Edit: I'll withdraw from this discussion now. It's been held so many times over the years and minds won't be changed anyway. Stay safe.

 

[srksrk 68]

Making daily streams (what he is also not doing) doesn't mean he can't be a scammer.
He is capable to work much faster than that but he is easy going plus he is not even thinking about to hire more help always making bs excuses like "can't find somebody who can actually draw like me" or "its to expensive" bla bla bla

Summertime Saga is DC's baby, and he is not anybody's slave. So it's pointless to say he must hire someone or work faster because he earns so much. It's his perfect right not to hire anybody and to work his own pace. It's your perfect right not to support him. Oh, wait...

 

[srksrk 68]

Roxxy's took four months to be complete and had five hscenes the same amount as the next update

To be fair, Roxxy's update took exactly three months and ten days, and it has eight hscenes, plus extras. And it's the best written story I've seen for long.

 

[srksrk 68]

He recently had a vasectomy, so this one really should be his last.

Are there not two different kind of pills for and against this?

 

[srksrk 68]

Mention that he stated "once the rig system is done the art will be finished much faster".
This was empty words once again.
He said he know someone who will draw the backgrounds, same here nothing changed.

There are differences between devs:
DC is the type of guy making more money and not investing in to the game
Another artist would be a real help, and not firing every year his coders.

Look at Adeptussteve you can clearly see how he invests money into the game, everything he stated he made.
Presenting Vertical Slice
Hiring more employees
moved (like they promised) to a bigger & better office to have enough space for everyone to be able to work better & faster.
Investing in new hardware.
Giving inside information by posting videos of him and his team.


The development of WL was so slow at the beginning but became much faster in the meantime.

Opposite story with SS, became more & more sluggish
Making excuses over and over again: "new baby meh corona meh..."

When i became children i didn't work less nope i worked more to be able to feed more people and he have it even easier working from his home.

As far as I remember, the new rig system is not about speed, but mainly about size, effort and flexibility. It provides easier possibility to add more outfits and poses which integrate seemlessly into the scenes, reducing code complexity. Game size has only increased by about 200 MB from 0.16 to 0.19.5, while the amount of graphics has roughly tripled.

And from a modder's point of view: the rig system makes many things possible that were not possible without. For instance, idle character animations like blinking, talking or breathing. Also, it's easier to add naughtier stuff in sex scenes.

I hope this game takes many years still to finish!