Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

[j4yj4m]

These ever repeating discussions about art/coding/posing are indeed completely futile by now. It was fine to discuss these things when he started the redesigns and these long updates in 2018 and of course it's fine to have an opinion about them. But now it's mid 2020 and it's very resonable to assume that those who still support him after these 2 years agree with his way of doing things and have adjusted their pledge accordingly, while those who don't agree should have left by now. It takes a few clicks and 5 seconds to adjust or cancel a pledge and if people can't do that they really can't complain about their money.

So @roger545353535353 it's indeed not like with ICSTOR and MilfCity. ICSTOR promised a lot repeatedly, made excuses and in the end delivered nothing, while DC basically delivers what he says he will. That's a massive difference. If someone say he will produce X and delivers X when he says he would, it's neither a scam nor milking.

 

[j4yj4m]

In the end few people seem to appreciate certain things DC does which take a lot of time and which most other 2D games simply don't do. Stuff like characters undressing in certain situations, characters actually holding items in their hands, proper cutscenes, quality backgrounds, pregnancy for every girl in each update, etc. - all of that takes quite a bit of time and effort, while those who just skip through probably won't even really notice it and thus completely missjudge the actual content of any given update.

And of course, being butthurt for one reason or the other is certainly part of it. I mean, there are quite a few people around here who, for years now, do nothing else but pop by every few months to write that DC is milking.

 

[Ataman87]

Dont get the deal whit this pregnancy ! Even if you like porking bloated females whit saggy tits there are no prego scenes in the game. As far as sex scenes for me the main thing that is lacking is more group sex and lesbo. All we get is one on one missionary or cow girl whit every girl. Even the blow jobs are far between. There was so much wasted ponential for lesbo porn - Jenny was hunted in the begging that is a lesbo ( when watching porn). That was scraped. Diane and Debby - just a bit of kissing. The lesbo art teacher - wasted. Even the two LESBIANS Odete and Grace dont do it (its only hinted) . I mean trow me a bone here! So we will have gay sex , we have tranny sex but no girl on girl WTF ?!

 

[Devronman]

The game interests me for sure. We'll see how it turns out and when. That's about all I can say on the matter.

 

[j4yj4m]

Dont get the deal whit this pregnancy ! Even if you like porking bloated females whit saggy tits there are no prego scenes in the game. As far as sex scenes for me the main thing that is lacking is more group sex and lesbo. All we get is one on one missionary or cow girl whit every girl. Even the blow jobs are far between. There was so much wasted ponential for lesbo porn - Jenny was hunted in the begging that is a lesbo ( when watching porn). That was scraped. Diane and Debby - just a bit of kissing. The lesbo art teacher - wasted. Even the two LESBIANS Odete and Grace dont do it (its only hinted) . I mean trow me a bone here! So we will have gay sex , we have tranny sex but no girl on girl WTF ?!

Well, Maria has a pregnant sex scene and I'm sure we'll see (some) more pregnant sex once the game progresses. I'd agree in principle that he probably should have limited pregnancies to a few girls to elborate these properly, includnig more story and a few scences each, but perspectively it's not as bad as you say.

I'd say the problem with pure lesbian sex is indeed, that it seems rather unpopular to have actual scenes which don't involve MC, unlike the scenes with Eve for example. It's essentailly not what the game is about and that's why we only see cutscenes which are way less work. I'd personally like to see real lesbian scenes, too, but I can understand why they aren't there. In the end scenes take the most time to create and that's why DC basically has to make them count, given that there are too few anyway.

 

[Captain NTR]

I never understood the whole lesbian fantasy, the whole concept is you watching 2 women lick each other. What are they cats? If no penetration is involved I dont see how its a turn on. Atleast scissoring is sorta interesting but South Park has me thinking women dont actually do that since they joked about it so much.

 

[j4yj4m]

I never understood the whole lesbian fantasy, the whole concept is you watching 2 women lick each other. What are they cats? If no penetration is involved I dont see how its a turn on. Atleast scissoring is sorta interesting but South Park has me thinking women dont actually do that since they joked about it so much.

I personally don't care that much about watching a dick in a pussy, after all, that's not what you look at that much during sex, either - slightly depending on the position, of course.
The great benefit of watching lesbian sex is indeed that you don't have some (sometimes strange and sweaty) dude around, which can be quite nice at times, while you still get everything else. I mean, they can still use fingers, toys, etc.

Edit: That's meant in general. For the game it doesn't really matter, of course and in the end it's all down to taste anyway.

 

[Omnikuken]

The best and probably only-ish lez stuff we'll get is between the 2 latinas inside Judith's update. We already got a glimpse of them during the book/magazine fetch quest

 

[j4yj4m]

I'm still hoping for some Ms. Ross/Mia stuff to happen. But as of now I'd guess it'll be just like with Grace and Odette in case something should happen - either just a cutscene or indeed a threesome.

 

[Captain NTR]

I personally don't care that much about watching a dick in a pussy, after all, that's not what you look at that much during sex, either - slightly depending on the position, of course.
The great benefit of watching lesbian sex is indeed that you don't have some (sometimes strange and sweaty) dude around, which can be quite nice at times, while you still get everything else. I mean, they can still use fingers, toys, etc.

Edit: That's meant in general. For the game it doesn't really matter, of course and in the end it's all down to taste anyway.

Toys and all that finger stuff just seem like a substitute for penis. To each his own though but if sex doesnt end in a creampie/facial/pearl necklace I just dont see the point lol.

 

[Oriandu]

I never understood the whole lesbian fantasy, the whole concept is you watching 2 women lick each other. What are they cats? If no penetration is involved I dont see how its a turn on. Atleast scissoring is sorta interesting but South Park has me thinking women dont actually do that since they joked about it so much.

I don't know about you, but watching two pairs of breasts and two asses bounce around while the women they're attached to pleasure each other is entertaining to me. A slightly misogynist way of describing it, but penetration isn't exactly the only thing to pay attention to during sex.

 

[j4yj4m]

Toys and all that finger stuff just seem like a substitute for penis. To each his own though but if sex doesnt end in a creampie/facial/pearl necklace I just dont see the point lol.

I'd actually say it looks more like you've got some kind of visual sperm kink if you focus on that so much. I usually don't care that much where it ends up as long as getting there is fun

But yeah, each to his own. The game certainly focuses on MC as substitute for the player and thus the whole lesbian things seems difficult... unless DC really pranks us and implements that dream/experimental mashine, which lets MC be female for a scene or so.

 

[cadwaladr]

^ We're merely a week off the 2 months mark, they gotta come out of the woodwork at some point to check if stuff happens on the very vague and 100% unofficial release window DC gave last year

Outside of this game, how do you expect posing and coding to do anything if the art isn't done ? You mean a dude can take non-existant art assets (body/face/expressions/etc), use them to make up the girl's "doll" (for lack of better term), put them in no background and make up the whole scene out of thin air ? Then dump all that void and emptyness on the coder to write lines inside the engine to go fetch and display that entire nothingness ? Not mentionning Renpy's tendency to just crap itself if you typo a CG and/or codeline, you now expect it to survive calling up stuff that don't exists ?

Well, there were two points to the new rigging system, one was for Android, they other was to make the posing quicker. It's why he had to redraw all the art again. It's why his stream is him currently redrawing all the old art again. You don't address that aspect of my post. His stream is reworking of old art, I'm sure he's doing more but when your art for your next update isn't complete, and art is supposedly the roadblock, why are you wasting time redrawing old art that won't be needed this or indeed next update? And we know it won't be needed next update because some of it is Judith.

You'll note my point about those being scammed refusing to see they're being scammed like this guy who limits who can see his profile but posts an awful lot in this thread. Like the majority of the last few pages are him defending DC

Yep it's really that time again the same old arguments...

Like this doesn't actually address my criticism just marginalises it as "whining" when I point out areas that DC could improve on but won't. That's his right. It's also my right, as a once patron, to point out that I think he's milking and explaining why I think that. Instead of attacking me, attack my arguments. At least the first person I responded to had the decency to do that even if they are wrong.

By the way, both the people I replied to proved my point about the White Knights not accepting any criticism. No doubt they'll reply again about how awesome DC is and how hard it is to be earning as much as he is without hiring a decent project manager or background artists. Incidentally, DC admits in his Patreon post that he only has a "rough outline" of the next update. Yeah, that's forward thinking and good planning right there. I know all the best game designers make shit up as they go along. No doubt you'll defend giving someone $60k a month to wing it and rewrite/redraw that update a year from now.

 

[Omnikuken]

Some dudes reported DC finished most of the art for 0.20.5 like 2-3 weeks after 0.20.1 came out, so he's been doing whatever since then

 

[Deleted member 690333]

Some dudes reported DC finished most of the art for 0.20.5 like 2-3 weeks after 0.20.1 came out, so he's been doing whatever since then

IF that's true

 

[Dirion]

The games development pace is pretty ridiculously slow considering the size of his team, the money they're making, and the ultimate size of the content updates after 4-6+ months of waiting. That said, like another poster said, complaining about it isn't going to do anyone any good. If it upsets you pull your patreon funding, if you're not a member of his patreon then just push this game out of your mind and check in after a considerable amount of time has passed.

 

[Omnikuken]

^ Size of their team being 4 dudes

 

[Olegowsom]

I watched a Walkthrough video of the newest update and i was so confused when I saw Futa Eve.
Turns out, when she asks you on her story if you ever see yourself with a dude, You have to say that you're down with sucking cock and BOOM!, Futa Eve unlocked.
Just a heads up in case you're down with that or nah.

 

[Tenmocho]

I watched a Walkthrough video of the newest update and i was so confused when I saw Futa Eve.
Turns out, when she asks you on her story if you ever see yourself with a dude, You have to say that you're down with sucking cock and BOOM!, Futa Eve unlocked.
Just a heads up in case you're down with that or nah.

instructions not clear accidentally downloaded ver 0.20.5 pls help

 

[Omnikuken]

^ You actually downloaded a version DC himself hasn't finished making ? Grats

I watched a Walkthrough video of the newest update and i was so confused when I saw Futa Eve.
Turns out, when she asks you on her story if you ever see yourself with a dude, You have to say that you're down with sucking cock and BOOM!, Futa Eve unlocked.
Just a heads up in case you're down with that or nah.

Most people already knew about this since her update came out almost a year ago ..........