Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

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Count Morado

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Nerro said:
False equivalence. Registered users does not mean active users but you are comparing it to active subscribers. At this time, there are nearly 18 k people online and if we assume, during peak hours, that number rises to around 20-30k. That's the number you should compare to active subscribers. Suddenly its not hard to imagine a lot of those 700k subs are from users here.
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That wasn't your argument. Your argument was not that a lot of adult game Patreon subscribers are F95zone users.

Your argument was "I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators." Restated with proper terms: "I think you'd be surprised how many F95zone users pay creators."

Which goes back to my response.
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Count Morado said:
That wasn't your argument. Your argument was not that a lot of adult game Patreon subscribers are F95zone users.

Your argument was "I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators." Restated with proper terms: "I think you'd be surprised how many F95zone users pay creators."

Which goes back to my response.
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a question, is there even like a place that can bring new people to their patreon that isn't f95? like i know if i search summertime saga, f95 will not appear as the main search result, but if one person don't know about summertime saga at all, how would they go on their way to find about it to go support that isn't here?
 
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Count Morado said:
That wasn't your argument. Your argument was not that a lot of adult game Patreon subscribers are F95zone users.

Your argument was "I think you'd be surprised how many people here pay creators." Restated with proper terms: "I think you'd be surprised how many F95zone users pay creators."
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When I said "here", I of course meant the users actively using the site on a somewhat regular basis. Idk why you would assume when I say "people here" would also mean people who made an F95 account 5 years ago and haven't been back since. That person is not "here" anymore.

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And, no, your response is more so a false equivalence than mine. You are saying that "active subscribers" actually are "active" in a similar way that "active F95zone users" would be measured (meaning, logging in, interacting with others, downloading etc). And no, that does not necessarily have to be the case. They simply have to click the "subscribe" button on patreon and that's it - they never have to check in again. And that's what a fair number of people do. Just like many people here simply create an account so that they can use the download links.
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Being able to subscribe to a Patron without paying is a very new feature. Just some months ago, this feature was called "follow" You could follow a Patreon for free but subscription always meant you were paying at least the lowest tier. So yes, if in your post, you meant the 600-700K subs also included those who were subbing for free, there aren't all that many of those 700K who are actually paying. But I think most people who read you post thought you were comparing paying subs to all accounts ever created here, seeing as in my post, I was speaking specifically of "people who pay".

Nevertheless, comparing all adult game subs on Patreon with all accounts ever created on F95 is still false equivalence, simply due to the fact, that you could not sub for free on Patreon until just recently. Meanwhile, people can make unlimited free F95 accounts and have been able to do so for the past 7 years and many have good reason to do so(ban evading, react abuse, trolling, etc.). There are not many incentives to have more than 1 Patreon account afaik, seeing as free members usually can't interact with anything.


Anyways, I'm done meddling in semantics. None of us know exactly how many F95 users support creators. All I know is, those devs who asked their paying subs where they discovered the game, most of them say pirate sites. And that makes sense, because you can't exactly advertise a porn game anywhere else except for maybe Twitter and Steam(if you manage to get greenlit), both have many limitations and issues that makes it hard to advertise effectively compared to pirate sites where everyone can see and play the game for free.
 
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GNova said:
a question, is there even like a place that can bring new people to their patreon that isn't f95? like i know if i search summertime saga, f95 will not appear as the main search result, but if one person don't know about summertime saga at all, how would they go on their way to find about it to go support that isn't here?
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Sure, basically every place that features non anime 2D porn of some sort online.
The same discussion happend a few days ago and a few pages back, but SS is one of the (few) games which does indeed have a significant exposure on social media (facebook, reddit, X, etc. because of fanart) and has hundreds of millions of videoviews on all kinds of video portals like youtube and basically every other NSFW portal out there like pornhub, xvideos, spankbang, xnxx, etc.
Next to that it's the #1 NSFW game by patrons on patreon for years, which alone will attract some.

Ultimately there are at least two kinds of users. Those who are already registered here, who know about porn games and who know how to use this forum. They'll likely find the game via this page.

And all those others above, who aren't on F95 yet, may just use google once they know the name and find another source, like DC's official homepage.

You can just ask yourself how you found F95?
Surely you found some game you wanted to play somewhere on the internet, it was behind some kind of patreon paywall and because of that you ended up here. That's likely how it's for 99% the the users.

Now you can ask yourself the question if you'd have come to F95, if you could have downloaded the game you wanted back then for free from the dev himself.
 
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GNova said:
a question, is there even like a place that can bring new people to their patreon that isn't f95? like i know if i search summertime saga, f95 will not appear as the main search result, but if one person don't know about summertime saga at all, how would they go on their way to find about it to go support that isn't here?
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There are dozens, if not hundreds of sites like F95 - and not all of them are "english only" like F95. Are they all the size of F95? No. However, here is a screengrab of one site where you can "find" Summertime Saga while browsing games... with links available to the developer's website, etc:
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That's 70.4 million downloads from that website (of the APK - across all versions)... which is almost double the number of views of this thread, and the number of views of this thread is more than the number of downloads for Summertime Saga from F95.

Here's another site:
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And another:
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Nerro said:
When I said "here", I of course meant the users actively using the site on a somewhat regular basis. Idk why you would assume when I say "people here" would also mean people who made an F95 account 5 years ago and haven't been back since. That person is not "here" anymore.



Being able to subscribe to a Patron without paying is a very new feature. Just some months ago, this feature was called "follow" You could follow a Patreon for free but subscription always meant you were paying at least the lowest tier. So yes, if in your post, you meant the 600-700K subs also included those who were subbing for free, there aren't all that many of those 700K who are actually paying. But I think most people who read you post thought you were comparing paying subs to all accounts ever created here, seeing as in my post, I was speaking specifically of "people who pay".

Nevertheless, comparing all adult game subs on Patreon with all accounts ever created on F95 is still false equivalence, simply due to the fact, that you could not sub for free on Patreon until just recently. Meanwhile, people can make unlimited free F95 accounts and have been able to do so for the past 7 years and many have good reason to do so(ban evading, react abuse, trolling, etc.). There are not many incentives to have more than 1 Patreon account afaik, seeing as free members usually can't interact with anything.


Anyways, I'm done meddling in semantics. None of us know exactly how many F95 users support creators. All I know is, those devs who asked their paying subs where they discovered the game, most of them say pirate sites. And that makes sense, because you can't exactly advertise a porn game anywhere else except for maybe Twitter and Steam(if you manage to get greenlit), both have many limitations and issues that makes it hard to advertise effectively compared to pirate sites where everyone can see and play the game for free.
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There are 600-700k paying subscribers to adult game creator on Patreon.

Look, even if you say they registered for an account in the past year in order to be active, 1.2 million did --- and you'd have to have nearly 100% of the adult game patreon subscribers be among them in order to get to 50% of those those newly added accounts in just the past year. It's 2.3 million in the past 2 years, now you've dropped down to 30%...

Yes, F95 is a good place for NEW developers to get some recognition and a base of supporters (paying and nonpaying) - the average being maybe 20-50 paying subscribers from all sources... but the average user here on F95 has never and will never subscribe to any developer. And the percentage of users (active or not) who do is not a significant percentage.
 
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bobfast said:
i recommend people unwatch this thread because it will become and actual cesspit of shit in a few weeks
all the lurkers and silent oblivious supporters will come here and rage when they realize they waited almost three years for barely any new content
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lol its deserved if there that stupid with their money ahahahahha ima laugh at those idiots
 
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Black Orchid said:
F95 is allegedly irrelevant, yet this guy is over here with 6500+ replies shilling darkcookie like it's his 9-5
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He was(still is I guess) actually on many threads perpetreting the same attitude. Someone already mentioned Omnikuken. Well, funny to say I preferred his salty replies to this. Anyway if that bothers you, just ignore and move on.

By the way as many don't love Jenny here's the new artwork :LUL:
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and give a look at the fanmade AI pictures, as they're getting better and better.
 
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