Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]

[jestertlw]

Anybody has the link to the incest patch?

 

[miojow]

Eve's route is so cute and beautiful. I really loved it.
Very thoughful way to introduce the "transexual" subject.

 

[Dragon59]

Eve's route is so cute and beautiful. I really loved it.
Very thoughful way to introduce the "transexual" subject.

Her route and his sensitivity with her is what first hooked me on the game. Many other developers introduce trans characters in such a way that it's just to check the kink box. A bit of "Take a Walk On the Wild Side" (I think this one reason DC could not get a trans person to advise him in the creation of Eve's trans arc). Less common is the developer who treats trans characters sympathetically. I like that.

 

[miojow]

Her route and his sensitivity with her is what first hooked me on the game. Many other developers introduce trans characters in such a way that it's just to check the kink box. A bit of "Take a Walk On the Wild Side" (I think this one reason DC could not get a trans person to advise him in the creation of Eve's trans arc). Less common is the developer who treats trans characters sympathetically. I like that.

Yeah, i wish more devs could bring this sensitivity to their games as this one.
I was so happy when finished her route because i could actually saw the character growing as i playing.

 

[yoyomistro]

Her route and his sensitivity with her is what first hooked me on the game. Many other developers introduce trans characters in such a way that it's just to check the kink box. A bit of "Take a Walk On the Wild Side" (I think this one reason DC could not get a trans person to advise him in the creation of Eve's trans arc). Less common is the developer who treats trans characters sympathetically. I like that.

Yeah, i wish more devs could bring this sensitivity to their games as this one.
I was so happy when finished her route because i could actually saw the character growing as i playing.

I agree with you guys on that. I wish he didn't make the trans part "optional" though, feels like a copout and cheapens the story a bit to me. Just make it completely optional like the Kevin route, and anyone who's mad there's a girl they can't access cuz they don't like trans content can deal with it.

 

[Dragon59]

I agree with you guys on that. I wish he didn't make the trans part "optional" though, feels like a copout and cheapens the story a bit to me. Just make it completely optional like the Kevin route, and anyone who's mad there's a girl they can't access cuz they don't like trans content can deal with it.

True, most developers have an opt in-opt out choice. I understand there was an angry mob when they found out about Eve's status. Having the cis option was a well to quell the mob before they started lighting torches.*

*I may have embellished a little bit...

 

[yoyomistro]

True, most developers have an opt in-opt out choice. I understand there was an angry mob when they found out about Eve's status. Having the cis option was a well to quell the mob before they started lighting torches.*

*I may have embellished a little bit...

Embellishment or not there are always people like that (as in, I want everything my way because what I like is obviously the best, not people who don't like trans content) and the best response to such folks is a big fat middle finger. Possibly with a smile.

 

[srksrk 68]

Embellishment or not there are always people like that (as in, I want everything my way because what I like is obviously the best, not people who don't like trans content) and the best response to such folks is a big fat middle finger. Possibly with a smile.

Dont forget that it was not and never was intented to be a trans genre game. I kinda fekt hijacked by it. And drawing the trans animations takes time and effort from normal content. But i can live with how it is now.

 

[yoyomistro]

Dont forget that it was not and never was intented to be a trans genre game. I kinda fekt hijacked by it. And drawing the trans animations takes time and effort from normal content. But i can live with how it is now.

DarkCookie literally said there was a trans character from the very first release from of the game. In fact he made a bit of a game in the early streams of having people try to figure out who it was going to be. No one who knew anything about the game should feel like it was a "hijack". I haven't forgotten anything. Perhaps you were just missing some information.

EDIT: Also what do you mean takes time from "normal" content? Every character is drawn independently, the only way that would be the case is if he had stock rigs/bodies and put a different face onto them, which does not happen. Everything about your whole comment is just wrong besides where you express your opinion, lol.

 

[j4yj4m]

Dont forget that it was not and never was intented to be a trans genre game. I kinda fekt hijacked by it. And drawing the trans animations takes time and effort from normal content. But i can live with how it is now.

I'm sorry to object, but that's certainly not the case.

As long as I remember DC said during streams that there would be (was, when he was joking) a monster girl in the game, which then became Aqua. And he said that there would be a "trap" among the schoolgirls, long before any of them even had any kind of content. And he was pretty adamant that it would indeed be a schoolgirl when people suggested Coach Bridget or so. So you can be sure that he was imagining this more or less from the start. And I'm pretty sure that it was always meant to be Eve, given the way the old character was dressed and given that (s)he was the only schoolgirl who never had a real, obvious hook where the story would go. If anything it's actually Eve's female branch which kinda takes away the resources, given that it makes obviously quite a bit less sense.
The same is by the way true for Kevin, who was always intended to get some content at some point.

 

[Dragon59]

I'm sorry to object, but that's certainly not the case.

As long as I remember DC said during streams that there would be (was, when he was joking) a monster girl in the game, which then became Aqua. And he said that there would be a "trap" among the schoolgirls, long before any of them even had any kind of content. And he was pretty adamant that it would indeed be a schoolgirl when people suggested Coach Bridget or so. So you can be sure that he was imagining this more or less from the start. And I'm pretty sure that it was always meant to be Eve, given the way the old character was dressed and given that (s)he was the only schoolgirl who never had a real, obvious hook where the story would go. If anything it's actually Eve's female branch which kinda takes away the resources, given that it makes obviously quite a bit less sense.
The same is by the way true for Kevin, who was always intended to get some content at some point.

I also remember hearing from DC (or was it $10+ patrons) about Eve's history.

Due to my own experience IRL, I consider both Eves to be female. One is a cis woman, the other is a trans woman. I also despise the slur, "Trap."
In my mind, trans Eve's story is MUCH more powerful and moving than cis Eve's. Her trauma and self hatred makes much more sense for her original trans version. MC helping her to accept that who she is is OK is a big part of the story.

 

[yoyomistro]

I also remember hearing from DC (or was it $10+ patrons) about Eve's history.

Due to my own experience IRL, I consider both Eves to be female. One is a cis woman, the other is a trans woman. I also despise the slur, "Trap."
In my mind, trans Eve's story is MUCH more powerful and moving than cis Eve's. Her trauma and self hatred makes much more sense for her original trans version. MC helping her to accept that who she is is OK is a big part of the story.

Yea, DarkCookie didn't realize most people don't use the word trap for actual trans people early on, I haven't seen him use that term for Eve's path in at least two years. I'm not in the camp of people who think that word shouldn't be used at all, there are some people who hate that word and femboy, even though I know a few guys who dress/present in a feminine way who use those words to refer to themselves, but identify fully as male or don't care how you address them pronounwise. If that's the word you want to use to describe yourself, that's whatever but I don't (personally) know any trans women who want to be referred to that way.

 

[Dragon59]

Yea, DarkCookie didn't realize most people don't use the word trap for actual trans people early on, I haven't seen him use that term for Eve's path in at least two years. I'm not in the camp of people who think that word shouldn't be used at all, there are some people who hate that word and femboy, even though I know a few guys who dress/present in a feminine way who use those words to refer to themselves, but identify fully as male or don't care how you address them pronounwise. If that's the word you want to use to describe yourself, that's whatever but I don't (personally) know any trans women who want to be referred to that way.

Yup. Like the "N-word" and the "F-word" (for homosexual), those who are in that group can use it amongst themselves.

Spoiler: Prejudice, by Tim Minchin

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[j4yj4m]

I'd personally consider DC a guy who really doesn't mean anything bad but who just doesn't really bother to care for this stuff up to the point that he actively searches for the right words to use. I still remember him telling that he once asked some questions on some kind of transforum on reddit or so and that he got so much flack for using the word trap, though he was happy that some people actually answered his questions.

In the end it's always better to mean the right thing and to use the wrong words than just to look at the words and to forget the rest.

Yup. Like the "N-word" and the "F-word" (for homosexual), those who are in that group can use it amongst themselves.

Which, to be fair, is something that should stop at some point if we actually ever want to reach a state of actual equality. Dividing people into more and more groups with more and more special rituals, words, etc. will only ever take us so far.

 

[Dragon59]

I'd personally consider DC a guy who really doesn't mean anything bad but who just doesn't really bother to care for this stuff up to the point that he actively searches for the right words to use. I still remember him telling that he once asked some questions on some kind of transforum on reddit or so and that he got so much flack for using the word trap, though he was happy that some people actually answered his questions.

That's good to hear, I'd heard that he'd gotten a icy cold shoulder when he asked for advice.

In the end it's always better to mean the right thing and to use the wrong words than just to look at the words and to forget the rest.

Reminds me of something I've heard many times--those who want to take advantage of LGBTQ+ often learn all the terms flawlessly in order to gain their confidence. It advises to recognize when someone is genuinely trying to do the right thing, to use the right terms, even if they stumble.

Which, to be fair, is something that should stop at some point if we actually ever want to reach a state of actual equality. Dividing people into more and more groups with more and more special rituals, words, etc. will only ever take us so far.

I often consider myself "mildly gender non-conforming." Nothing drastic, but I really never fit in with boys growing up, never got some of their attitudes and felt more at ease in the company of girls. I often look to the time when "gender non-conformity" is no longer a thing.

 

[yoyomistro]

Yup. Like the "N-word" and the "F-word" (for homosexual), those who are in that group can use it amongst themselves.

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Exactly .

I'd personally consider DC a guy who really doesn't mean anything bad but who just doesn't really bother to care for this stuff up to the point that he actively searches for the right words to use. I still remember him telling that he once asked some questions on some kind of transforum on reddit or so and that he got so much flack for using the word trap, though he was happy that some people actually answered his questions.

In the end it's always better to mean the right thing and to use the wrong words than just to look at the words and to forget the rest.


Which, to be fair, is something that should stop at some point if we actually ever want to reach a state of actual equality. Dividing people into more and more groups with more and more special rituals, words, etc. will only ever take us so far.

Yea, DC never used it maliciously. I hate when people jump on someone who's obviously not doing something considered bad with ill-intent and immediately judge them for it as opposed to explaining why they think it's wrong.

Also, on using slurs self-referentially, I honestly think it's fine. I'm black and use the n-word with my black friends and as a general interjection/epithet (not in the derogatory sense of the word, but in the sense of a stand-in generic descriptor). None of my white friends get offended or feel it's hypocritical they can't use it, as most people should. Also some of my gay friends use the f-word amongst themselves. Those words use in that way might fade out once society gets to a place that's actually good for everyone, or they might be subject to further evolution on the dysphemistic treadmill and come to refer to completely different things as many words have over the years. Until then, I'm pro using them as members of the group they're used against.

 

[poopfartshitcum]

As far as I'm aware the plan right now is/was to release a small update prior to the actual tech update which would include the first batch. Then we'd get the second one with the actual widescreen conversion.

does that mean the progress meter now is for the small update?

 

[srksrk 68]

I'm sorry to object, but that's certainly not the case.

As long as I remember DC said during streams that there would be (was, when he was joking) a monster girl in the game, which then became Aqua. And he said that there would be a "trap" among the schoolgirls, long before any of them even had any kind of content. And he was pretty adamant that it would indeed be a schoolgirl when people suggested Coach Bridget or so. So you can be sure that he was imagining this more or less from the start. And I'm pretty sure that it was always meant to be Eve, given the way the old character was dressed and given that (s)he was the only schoolgirl who never had a real, obvious hook where the story would go. If anything it's actually Eve's female branch which kinda takes away the resources, given that it makes obviously quite a bit less sense.
The same is by the way true for Kevin, who was always intended to get some content at some point.

I honestly don't care what anybody *said* in some streams, be it DC or somebody else. Fact is the game was not a trans game (we may disagree about if it was intended to be or become one). I play it because it is vanilla. I don't want or need trans content and I want it to be skippable, which it is and I am fine with it. However, what I say is true: it takes a considerable amound of time to draw alternate animations, and added to the ever present shouts for more frequent updates and more content, this is a factor to be considered.

And, yes, I feel hijacked if my favorite game would change suddenly to what it never was.

 

[j4yj4m]

Also, on using slurs self-referentially, I honestly think it's fine. I'm black and use the n-word with my black friends and as a general interjection/epithet (not in the derogatory sense of the word, but in the sense of a stand-in generic descriptor). None of my white friends get offended or feel it's hypocritical they can't use it, as most people should. Also some of my gay friends use the f-word amongst themselves.

I'm from a country where we don't really have these kind of words for some groups in our daily live and I'm quite happy about that.
I just personally feel that it's either one or the other. Especially with the N-word I can't wrap my head around that it's ok to use it among one group, up to the point that it's heard everywhere, but that there can severe consquences for others, even if they use it without bad intentions. I just feel that it this whole situation doesn't really help anybody but just has the potential to maky everything worse.

I honestly don't care what anybody *said* in some streams, be it DC or somebody else. Fact is the game was not a trans game (we may disagree about if it was intended to be or become one). I play it because it is vanilla. I don't want or need trans content and I want it to be skippable, which it is and I am fine with it. However, what I say is true: it takes a considerable amound of time to draw alternate animations, and added to the ever present shouts for more frequent updates and more content, this is a factor to be considered.

And, yes, I feel hijacked if my favorite game would change suddenly to what it never was.

I'm not really sure I can follow your argument here. What you are describing is literally what patreon development is about. Content gets introduced piece by piece, one after the other. By the same argument you could say that SS was always meant to be an incest game and that this whole school girl stuff, the monster girls, the pregnancies, etc. have no place in the game because they weren't there in the beginning.

And as mentioned, for many years now this list has been on DC's patreon/

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:

• Anal
• Breastfeeding
• Exhibitionism
• Glasses
• Gloryhole
• Group MM/F
• Group FF/M
• Harem
• Impregnation
• Latex
• Librarian
• Mild BDSM
• MILF
• Milking
• Monster Girl
• Muscle Girl
• Nurse
• Public Sex
• Spanking
• Toys
• Trans
• Vanilla M/F
• Vanilla M/M
• Voyeurism

It's not the best list to describe the game, but it's not like one can say one didn't know, when this is what the author of the game describes his game to be.

Yes, I'd fully agree that DC shouldn't overstep these lines and add, for example, NTR or other controversial stuff to SS - but up until now he only ever added the things he said he would. It's fine to disagree with some of these things, but I don't think it's right to say you didn't know it was coming.

does that mean the progress meter now is for the small update?

I don't think so. The last I heard was that they wanted to have small and last 4:3 update in between, just for these scenes and without any of the tech stuff. But I couldn't follw any streams recently, so thing may have changed.

 

[yoyomistro]

I honestly don't care what anybody *said* in some streams, be it DC or somebody else. Fact is the game was not a trans game (we may disagree about if it was intended to be or become one). I play it because it is vanilla. I don't want or need trans content and I want it to be skippable, which it is and I am fine with it. However, what I say is true: it takes a considerable amound of time to draw alternate animations, and added to the ever present shouts for more frequent updates and more content, this is a factor to be considered.

And, yes, I feel hijacked if my favorite game would change suddenly to what it never was.

OK you're just fucking trolling at this point or something lol. You're wrong and triggered something you don't like is in your favorite game. Boohoo. The game was always intended to have trans content and you're just sooooooo bothered that DC took time to make content that he always intended to have in his game because it's content you don't like. How dare he. He said he would have trans content, he has had trans content as one of the tags for intended content from the very fucking beginning. It's not your game, and it is what DC always intended it to be. The content he took time out to draw was the cis content for people like you and you still find something to complain about, and drawing a vagina probably only took an extra hour or two as the animations are the exact same. Fucking incredible.

I'm from a country where we don't really have these kind of words for some groups in our daily live and I'm quite happy about that.
I just personally feel that it's either one or the other. Especially with the N-word I can't wrap my head around that it's ok to use it among one group, up to the point that it's heard everywhere, but that there can severe consquences for others, even if they use it without bad intentions. I just feel that it this whole situation doesn't really help anybody but just has the potential to maky everything worse.


I'm not really sure I can follow your argument here. What you are describing is literally what patreon development is about. Content gets introduced piece by piece, one after the other. By the same argument you could say that SS was always meant to be an incest game and that this whole schoolgirl stuff, the monter girls, the pregnancies, etc. have no place in the game because they weren't there in the beginning.

And as mentioned, for many years now this list has been on DC's patreon/

You must be registered to see the links

which always looked like this:

• Anal
• Breastfeeding
• Exhibitionism
• Glasses
• Gloryhole
• Group MM/F
• Group FF/M
• Harem
• Impregnation
• Latex
• Librarian
• Mild BDSM
• MILF
• Milking
• Monster Girl
• Muscle Girl
• Nurse
• Public Sex
• Spanking
• Toys
• Trans
• Vanilla M/F
• Vanilla M/M
• Voyeurism

It's not the best list to describe the game, but it's not like one can say one didn't know, when this is what the author of the game describes his game to be.

Yes, I'd fully agree that DC shouldn't overstep these lines and add, for example, NTR or other controversial stuff to SS - but up until now he only ever added the things he said he would.

EDIT: The N-word thing is hard to get if you don't understand American history, especially modern cultural development in the post Jim Crow era. There are plenty of black people who don't like using it but there's plenty of contextual justification for its use.