Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]

[mightybored]

Is there going to be more storie content for Consuela or is that it for her character in the game?

IMO her story specifically is done, but assuming they show up and win in the polls, Martinez or Lopez might get something.

 

[Omnikuken]

IMO her story specifically is done, but assuming they show up and win in the polls, Martinez or Lopez might get something.

They'd have to get their update 1st, which is with Judith and in 3+ years. You got a while before they show up in any poll, if at all since they're 2ndary girls for another's route

 

[TheRemover]

elaborate

Coding doesn't need the assets to be complete to progress. You can use a placeholder to mark where an asset should be and simply replace the placeholder with the real asset with zero or minimal code changes, and this is very typical to prevent programming from being bottlenecked by design. The entirety of the code could be built before a single art asset was fully ready, just waiting for the finalized assets to be plugged in. Moreover, this is a tech update, which means for a lot of the code changes being made there simply is little or even no art work to complete, and in either case art is almost 90% complete and code is still below 30%.

 

[j4yj4m]

Coding doesn't need the assets to be complete to progress. You can use a placeholder to mark where an asset should be and simply replace the placeholder with the real asset with zero or minimal code changes, and this is very typical to prevent programming from being bottlenecked by design. The entirety of the code could be built before a single art asset was fully ready, just waiting for the finalized assets to be plugged in. Moreover, this is a tech update, which means for a lot of the code changes being made there simply is little or even no art work to complete, and in either case art is almost 90% complete and code is still below 30%.

In that case you are only looking at one single update and not the game as whole.

DC himself is does basically nothing but drawing and he starts working on the next update long before the current one is finished.

As such the time it takes to complete the game solely depends on the time he takes to create the art.
Even if they'd do all the things people demand, use placeholders, hire way more people, etc. that fact doesn't change. If DC needs - let's say - another ~4 years to complete the art for the game, no amount of coders, posers, etc. will change that.

It'll always take these ~4 years to finish the game and that's very likely the reason why they don't bother with all of that stuff. It may make people feel a little better, but ultimately it's objectively just a waste of effort and money...

Edit: The only point of time where it really makes sense to get additional help is at the very end. But even in that case DC probably wants to have some time to prepare his next project, so there's very likely no real need, either.

 

[srksrk 68]

In that case you are only looking at one single update and not the game as whole.

DC himself is does basically nothing but drawing and he starts working on the next update long before the current one is finished.

As such the time it takes to complete the game solely depends on the time he takes to create the art.
Even if they'd do all the things people demand, use placeholders, hire way more people, etc. that fact doesn't change. If DC needs - let's say - another ~4 years to complete the art for the game, no amount of coders, posers, etc. will change that.

It'll always take these ~4 years to finish the game and that's very likely the reason why they don't bother with all of that stuff. It may make people feel a little better, but ultimately it's objectively just a waste of effort and money...

Edit: The only point of time where it really makes sense to get additional help is at the very end. But even in that case DC probably wants to have some time to prepare his next project, so there's very likely no real need, either.

You know I am one of those so-called DC white knights. But I say they *could* do more if they wished. They could hire coders just for fixing bugs (there are plenty) or doing other fancy stuff that falls short with just one coder. They could hire someone who draws all those placeholder images (even placeholders don't draw themselves all alone). That would open up the possibility to add more naughty scenes, more camera angles, different settings and so on.

Much wuld be possible. But it's DC's decision.

 

[j4yj4m]

You know I am one of those so-called DC white knights. But I say they *could* do more if they wished. They could hire coders just for fixing bugs (there are plenty) or doing other fancy stuff that falls short with just one coder. They could hire someone who draws all those placeholder images (even placeholders don't draw themselves all alone). That would open up the possibility to add more naughty scenes, more camera angles, different settings and so on.

Much wuld be possible. But it's DC's decision.

Sure, that would influence the quality of the unifinished game and it would improve the experience for the player. But it wouldn't increase the speed at all and it wouldn't add more possibilities for anything that needs additional art.

I'm not sure why you'd think that it would create opportunities for more scenes, angels, etc. as they do require art. Quite on the contrary, the fact that they aren't using any placeholders etc. right now helps, because DC doesn't waste any time on stuff that won't make it into the final game and I'm almost 100% sure that's the reason why they aren't using them in the first place.

 

[WhiteWolf34Uk]

when the heck will appear next update of this game? seriously guys

 

[Omnikuken]

when the heck will appear next update of this game? seriously guys

Between nobody knows,, when it's ready and never. Take 1 choice and wait

You know I am one of those so-called DC white knights. But I say they *could* do more if they wished. They could hire coders just for fixing bugs (there are plenty) or doing other fancy stuff that falls short with just one coder. They could hire someone who draws all those placeholder images (even placeholders don't draw themselves all alone). That would open up the possibility to add more naughty scenes, more camera angles, different settings and so on.

Much wuld be possible. But it's DC's decision.

They did hire more than 1 coder, just not at once > we are on the ~4th coder now (more if you count DC's early attempts as coding)

/megahugesarcasmfortheeasilybutthurt

 

[WhiteWolf34Uk]

- lost of time, game lost... what a shame.

 

[j4yj4m]

They did hire more than 1 coder, just not at once > we are on the ~4th coder now (more if you count DC's early attempts as coding)

It looks like DC doesn't see the need for more. I mean, everybody on the team except DC himself is working part time.

Ulitmately he's probably right, as he just won't produce enough content to occupy a full time team.

 

[srksrk 68]

Sure, that would influence the quality of the unifinished game and it would improve the experience for the player. But it wouldn't increase the speed at all and it wouldn't add more possibilities for anything that needs additional art.

I'm not sure why you'd think that it would create opportunities for more scenes, angels, etc. as they do require art. Quite on the contrary, the fact that they aren't using any placeholders etc. right now helps, because DC doesn't waste any time on stuff that won't make it into the final game and I'm almost 100% sure that's the reason why they aren't using them in the first place.

If you are trying to say they just couldn't do anything to either provide more or better content faster then I must definitly disagree. I wrote how DC would not have to waste his time on doing sketches for placeholders by hiring people for that so that he can work on the additional stuff. I explained how additional coders could focus on fixing bugs or even polishing existing code so that the new stuff could be done faster. I did not say they must or should, just that it's possible.

"the fact that they aren't using any placeholders etc. right now helps, because DC doesn't waste any time on stuff that won't make it into the final game"

If anybody would call it a waste if it would enable the coder to do his part faster, I can't help it. I did not even say DC had to do it himself. Even the least talented coder could create placeholder images himself if need be. However, I'd rather guess coding is not late because the coder sits idly waiting for art to be available, but because it's simply too much to code. Placeholders would not help in that case.

Edit: They could even hire some more testers and start to fix all those bugs that are being reported. But then again, even 60,000 bucks a month are used up eventually. People want to get paid.

 

[finalcut315]

The way eve asks you if you ever thought about being with another guy, is it setting up optional gay content?

 

[Gguga12]

The way eve asks you if you ever thought about being with another guy, is it setting up optional gay content?

If you say yes then Eve is the trap, if you say no then Eve is a normal girl

 

[Omnikuken]

The way eve asks you if you ever thought about being with another guy, is it setting up optional gay content?

If you say yes then Eve is the trap, if you say no then Eve is a normal girl

Aside the Eve debate, there is a planned Kevin route. So dude-on-dude is coming out eventually

 

[finalcut315]

If you say yes then Eve is the trap, if you say no then Eve is a normal girl

oof there's gotta be a better way to do that. she's written like she's intersexed though if you choose the penis route, saying she was born with both, so it wouldn't make sense for her to identify as a man. idk maybe they'll elaborate on that.

 

[finalcut315]

Aside the Eve debate, there is a planned Kevin route. So dude-on-dude is coming out eventually

I always thought that was leading to something.

 

[2xjj]

If you say yes then Eve is the trap, if you say no then Eve is a normal girl

Eve is not a trap she is trans

 

[j4yj4m]

I wrote how DC would not have to waste his time on doing sketches for placeholders by hiring people for that so that he can work on the additional stuff.

I don't think I was clear enough. Right now he isn't working on any additional stuff, so there's no time to gain from where we are now.

And I'd disagree about the placeholders specifically. Placeholders will not increase the development speed of the game from start to finish, simply because it's not even about the time it takes to draw them (as you say, that's quick), but about the time it would take DC to explain to somebody else what he wants. In the time he has done that, he may have drawn the sketch on his own. If you provide a finished image, you may have to explain a few things once, if you start by talking about the scenario without any kind of sketch, etc., the process simply gets more time consuming and you may even have to talk about the same issue twice. In the worst case that'll cost additional time and as such will make the time it takes to finish the game even longer.

You are still only looking at one single update and kinda ignore that it doesn't matter for the overall speed, if coders have nothing or - temporarily - to much to do. DC is working continuously for years now and there's just no time to gain. If he had done all the things you say in the past (since he started to hire peoeple, of course), the game would still be where it is today. Sure, maybe a littel better polished code wise but there wouldn't be more art around.

We simply are talking about a two different issues. It's fair to say that hiring another coder would very likely improve the developmentprocess as a whole and that it would probably make the game a bit better (for now). But none of that will make the time it takes to finish the game shorter and as such art is indeed the limiting factor.

As such, the only thing that would speed up the process is to hire another artist and once that is done, one would have to see how many coders oder posers are required by the amount of content two artits could produce.

 

[Dragon59]

DC himself is does basically nothing but drawing and he starts working on the next update long before the current one is finished.

The fact that his artwork is done well in advance of the coding is one reason why he's felt no big need to hire a second artist. The challenges of matching style is not worth the hassle.

 

[poopfartshitcum]

what the heck, DC defense squad members criticizing him and saying he should hire moar people, what is the world coming to maybe today is truly the judgement day after all