Admiral9iner

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We should make a bingo board for the types of questions that will fill up a page. Can sex _? New update when? Full save? Etc.
 

WSmith

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i am following this game since 2018,man the development is slow af,considering the amount of money the developers get on patreon this is not good at all.I realised it when i wanted to sub to their patreon and saw how much money they are making a month.It is impossible not to speed up the process of developing with that much money,especially when you are doing a renpy game.
Interesting statements there. It's going way too slow for how much money they get, and it is not possible to go that slow. :unsure:

Nah, just put "DC makes too much $/month" and the card is already filled
That's not how bingo works :p You can't just fill it up with one thing multiple times.
 

McSlut

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i think those milkposts are fucking stupid but a discussion about if the tech update was really necessary is valid. are people really going to bust better nuts because the backgrounds are 16:9 instead of 4:3 now? even if it improves the overall visual quality of the game, will the 1 year development time or whatever it's going to be at the end really be worth it at the end?

is dc wasting too much time drawing more and more detailed backgrounds? are there more economical ways to use already existing assets and focus on what's really important, you know the girls and the h-scenes? i know complaining about it won't change a thing but nothing we talk about here changes anything so please don't get pissed at me omnikuken
 
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Bob69

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Except that Summertime Saga actually has playable content.
Hey Star Citizen has play able content and is really not that bad at the current state, if it was worth the money and time is another discussion, but it‘s not so bad how ppl often make it out to be.
is dc wasting too much time drawing more and more detailed backgrounds? are there more economical ways to use already existing assets and focus on what's really important, you know the girls and the h-scenes? i know complaining about it won't change a thing but nothing we talk about here changes anything so please don't get pissed at me omnikuken
Wait as far as I know, it wouldn’t really matter, cause DC is only making art now, he doesn’t code etc. and on steam you could see he already done some (all?) Rhonda content. Tagging j4yj4m he is watching the streams, right?
 
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j4yj4m

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... but a discussion about if the tech update was really necessary is valid. are people really going to bust better nuts because the backgrounds are 16:9 instead of 4:3 now? even if it improves the overall visual quality of the game, will the 1 year development time or whatever it's going to be at the end really be worth it at the end?
The 16:9 is really meant to be for those who play on mobile, which by now, as far as I recall, seem to be the majority of "official players" who download the game from DC's sources. Else it's certainly true that everybody will benefit from the additional space for interactions, the bigger map, a possible new UI, etc.
is dc wasting too much time drawing more and more detailed backgrounds?
Given that, as far as I know, the background stuff kinda was his old job before he started working on SS, he probably enjoys them quite a bit and doesn't want to compromise. Then again, they are a significant upside compared to many, many other games who don't care about such things/details at all. I'm pretty sure that the game would just be "less good" if he'd rush his backgrounds like so many others do.
are there more economical ways to use already existing assets and focus on what's really important, you know the girls and the h-scenes?
While the lack of scenes is a major downside, it's not like that's anything new. The game has always been "weak" on the NSFW stuff compared to many others and one could even argue that the tech update actually helped here, given that we got/will get ~18 scenes which we likely wouldn't haven gotten (now or at all) without it. I'd like to have more scenes, too, but it's not like I'm surprised that there are comparatively few...

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It's not like I agree with the all of what DC does and I really could have done without the tech update, but I can see why he wanted to do it. It'll almost certainly be benficial for the game in the future, even though it's a huge pain now.

To me the main problem is actually, that their planning has been really bad this time and that they didn't hire more posers before they started. The actual backgrounds for the tech update are done since ~september and it certainly should have been realease comfortably last year, if they hadn't messed that up.

Wait as far as I know, it wouldn’t really matter, cause DC is only making art now, he doesn’t code etc. and on steam you could see he already done some (all?) Rhonda content. Tagging j4yj4m he is watching the streams, right?
While he's working on Ronda's stuff, I'd guess it's still far from being done. I haven't followed that many streams in the last weeks/months, though.
 
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The 16:9 is really meant to be for those who play on mobile, which by now, as far as I recall, seem to be the majority of "official players" who download the game from DC's sources. Else it's certainly true that everybody will benefit from the additional space for interactions, the bigger map, a possible new UI, etc.

Given that, as far as I know, the background stuff kinda was his old job before he started working on SS, he probably enjoys them quite a bit and doesn't want to compromise. Then again, they are a significant upside compared to many, many other games who don't care about such things/details at all. I'm pretty sure that the game would just be "less good" if he'd rush his backgrounds like so many others do.

While the lack of scenes is a major downside, it's not like that's anything new. The game has always been "weak" on the NSFW stuff compared to many others and one could even argue that the tech update actually helped here, given that we got/will get ~18 scenes which we likely wouldn't haven gotten (now or at all) without it. I'd like to have more scenes, too, but it's not like I'm surprised that there are comparatively few...

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It's not like I agree with the all of what DC does and I really could have done without the tech update, but I can see why he wanted to do it. It'll almost certainly be benficial for the game in the future, even though it's a huge pain now.

To me the main problem is actually, that their planning has been really bad this time and that they didn't hire more posers before they started. The actual backgrounds for the tech update are done since ~september and it certainly should have been realease comfortably last year, if they hadn't messed that up.


While he's working on Ronda's stuff, I'd guess it's still far from being done. I haven't followed that many streams in the last weeks/months, though.
Bad project management has plagued this game. But I also remember when the groupthink was "art is the bottleneck" and those of us pointing out out wasn't, it was project management, were shot down. This tech update has been a farce.
 

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Wasn't the whole game supposed to be recoded as well? So that there would be less bugs in the future and the technical work would go smoother if I remember right.
 

j4yj4m

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Bad project management has plagued this game. But I also remember when the groupthink was "art is the bottleneck" and those of us pointing out out wasn't, it was project management, were shot down. This tech update has been a farce.
The tech update is indeed the first update were art wasn't the bottleneck. They simply missjudged the effort/time that was needed to recode and repose the game big time (or they did change their plans in the process, who knows?). But just because something is true now, doesn't mean it was true in the past. Art has been the bottleneck for years, which is why until now everybody but DC actually worked part time on the game. There was just no way that DC drawing assets could fully utilize a writer, coder and poser. That changed for now.
If you look at chestnut/magicnuts from WaL! it looks like one artist who creates decent assets technically just needs one other person to do everything else, as long as that person is actually the perfect fit.
Wasn't the whole game supposed to be recoded as well? So that there would be less bugs in the future and the technical work would go smoother if I remember right.
Yes, though I have no idea to which degree that's actually the case, but it does look like the changes will be quite significant. DC actually wanted to change the whole UI, too, but it seems that has been postponed for now.
 
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Omnikuken

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i think those milkposts are fucking stupid but a discussion about if the tech update was really necessary is valid. are people really going to bust better nuts because the backgrounds are 16:9 instead of 4:3 now? even if it improves the overall visual quality of the game, will the 1 year development time or whatever it's going to be at the end really be worth it at the end?

is dc wasting too much time drawing more and more detailed backgrounds? are there more economical ways to use already existing assets and focus on what's really important, you know the girls and the h-scenes? i know complaining about it won't change a thing but nothing we talk about here changes anything so please don't get pissed at me omnikuken
The bigger part of the update aside the 16:9 background was always recoding the entire game from the ground up (or close enough). That's what was needed and what DC polled the 1st time. We also wouldn't have got any lewds in-between, he just made them so that people would get something to do while they recoded. I'm not mad at you, at least you managed post stuff without going the fulltard way like the rest of the thread
The tech update is indeed the first update were art wasn't the bottleneck. They simply missjudged the effort/time that was needed to recode and repose the game big time (or they did change their plans in the process, who knows?). But just because something is true now, doesn't mean it was true in the past. Art has been the bottleneck for years, which is why until now everybody but DC actually worked part time on the game. There was just no way that DC drawing assets could fully utilize a writer, coder and poser. That changed for now.
If you look at chestnut/magicnuts from WaL! it looks like one artist who creates decent assets technically just needs one other person to do everything else, as long as that person is actually the perfect fit.

Yes, though I have no idea to which degree that's actually the case, but it does look like the changes will be quite significant. DC actually wanted to change the whole UI, too, but it seems that has been postponed for now.
What a Legend is made by a couple, they can't really half-ass themselves when the other dev is your spouse (or whatever if they're not married). Maybe they split the tasks more evenly than 1 for art and 1 for everything else.
 

j4yj4m

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What a Legend is made by a couple, they can't really half-ass themselves when the other dev is your spouse (or whatever if they're not married). Maybe they split the tasks more evenly than 1 for art and 1 for everything else.
As far as I'm aware chestnut draws and magicnuts indeed does basically everything else. They actually tried to hire a sketch artist some time ago, but it looks like that didn't help them as much as they may have hoped.
Ultimately they simply face the same issue as SS. One person drawing fulltime just can't produce enough (quality) art to release more than 2 or 3 decent-sized updates a year.
 

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I only noticed for the first time that DC's site has an "Unannounced Project" mentioned alongside SS.

Has the dev ever given any hints or indications what this project is, perhaps on stream?
 

exirock

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Im going to be really honest not having content for a good while it kinda sucks, i think tec update which so far i only see backgrounds, they could have been made little by little into the other updates, understandable that some of the players are mobile users but this tec update is going for long time now, is delaying the game progress for about year, although they managed to drop a few animations which was good but its not considerably enough for most people that kinda want to see content progression, i know in fact this is a must need for later on when the game is complete but i would say this could have been done after roxxy update and wouldnt be that much of a pain in the ass now since after roxxy alot of art has been done, lets hope the tec update ends this year fast has possible since we gotta wait extra 6-7 months for the new content, i understand both side this tec update is must need but also is a creator of hate since the game is pretty much onhold from content for a few months now.
 

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There's a thing called Hofstadter's Law, which is: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

I can't tell you how many times I've started a long-overdue code rewrite and had it take 10 times longer than I expected, and prevented me from giving new content to my users until it was done. It's hard to assure people that you're doing valuable work that they can't see.
 
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