Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

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j4yj4m

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Gasanvar said:
Take Roxxys update how long did it took and what we got and look whats happening now waiting a decade for 4 h scenes.
It sounds crazy but if we analyze the past it seems that more money makes the work even slower (in this case)
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I'd agree that the Roxxy update was probably the pinnacle, yet it didn't have pregnancies and was in general still in middle when it comes to drawing quality. The real animations are nice but for example some none animated scenes still lack a certain quality and are very rough compared to what we are getting now.

Else it's probably true that he's working a little less, given that he's got 3 kids now instead one small baby, but it's not really that noticable in my opinion. As said, the update/content/quality ratio is pretty much constant. Sure, we can always talk aboute a few weeks give or take, but is that really worth it, once we are talking about years it'll take for the game to be done? People seem to forget how "bad" the game actually was before 0.15.

What I'm primarily against is that people pretend he'd promise stuff to his patreons trying to deceive them. The game is free and those who aren't happy with it won't have to give a cent to play it. Just cancel your payment for a few months and play the next update for free. There's really not much to it.

Edit: Just to add, I actually reduced the amount I'm giving from ~25$ a year to 12$, so I don't really see why others won't to the same. People are free to give what they like and nothing will really change for them.
 
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Maim Lain said:
Who wants to take bets on how long it will be until the salty people in this thread start claiming that DarkCookie's wife giving birth is just an excuse for him to delay the update and milk his patrons? :ROFLMAO:
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To be honest...he could bang less but it's up to him. :Kappa:
 
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j4yj4m said:
I think you are at least 1,5 years behind the curve. DC's saying for a very long time now that he'll only get a second artist if the perfect person comes around and it's pretty much obvious that he'd rather like to finish the game alone.
So it's not like he's making any excuses, it's not like he's asking for more money and it's not like the speed has changed that much, when you actually take all things into account. In the end it simply won't matter whether he earns 30.000, 50.000 or 80.000, the speed will stay as it is and as it has been for the last two years.

Sure, people will bang on about it for the next 2 years, too, but at some point people will simply have to ask themselves, whether they are wasting their time complaining about this specific point.

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He was quite enthusiastic about his next project about 2 years ago (he even thought about hiring somebody to prepare the new engine etc. back then), but it looks he then decided to go all in for SS instead. Once we started getting better animations, the rig system, etc. he's hardly ever talked about new projects.

But sure, it's his job and he seems to have fun. So I don't really see why he'd stop as long as people want to play what he creates.
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You really think he's going to finish this game in 2 years lol? I'll bet by 2030 we'll be at the last build at the very least with how slow these updates are.
 
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roger545353535353 said:
You really think he's going to finish this game in 2 years lol? I'll bet by 2030 we'll be at the last build at the very least with how slow these updates are.
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No, the game will at least take another ~3 years for what is planned. After it's really only up to DC and his patreons. Else I didn't say the game will be finished in two years, but that (the same?) people will still complain about the speed by then, after they've done so for the last two years.
 
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In my opinion it all falls down to:
If you don't approve of what the dev. is doing, then stop giving him money. And if you're not giving him money, then just wait, the game will be free anyway.
 
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Wild Red said:
man I wish I had your patience.
yea I know your arguments. Handmade high quality content, birth, corona, he lost his keys...
honestly, DC's fanbase is the wet dream of every dev.
props to all of you
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I'd say the unique thing about DC's "fan base" is, that the average donation is much lower. He makes his money by a very high number of small $ patreons. Most people simply give $1, some $5 and very few more than that. It's a substancial difference whether you pay $10 to $20 a month to play MilfCity (lol, sorry) or $0 to $12 a year to play SS.

And yes, those who only pay a few bucks a year certainly tend to be more patient than those who pay $200 or more to other devs. I personally see those few bucks a year as a token of gratitude and that's it. That's of course only as long as he's doing stuff...

Edit: Just to add one thing, which I think many people are really underestimating. He's streaming several times a week for many years now, without accepting donations there. And he's actually a pretty good streamer. He's likable, has a good voice, remembers a ton of users, does a lot of stuff to keep people active during streams, let's them participate in small decisions and answers their questions, while he usually has a good schedule and streams the right amount of spoilers, etc. That attracts people, makes them stay and makes them pay.
 
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unsethical said:
In my opinion it all falls down to:
If you don't approve of what the dev. is doing, then stop giving him money. And if you're not giving him money, then just wait, the game will be free anyway.
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of course I wait, what else could I do !?
giving him money won't speed up the progress, so...
see you in 1 or 2 months.
stay strong till then
 
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j4yj4m said:
Edit: Just to add one thing, which I think many people are really underestimating. He's streaming several times a week for many years now, without accepting donations there. And he's actually a pretty good streamer. He's likable, has a good voice, remembers a ton of users, does a lot of stuff to keep people active during streams, let's them participate in small decisions and answers their questions, while he usually has a good schedule and streams the right amount of spoilers, etc. That attracts people, makes them stay and makes them pay.
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sry but I'm not interested in his streams nor a making-of of a porn game.
I'd rather see him put that energy in the game development itself.
streaming, chatting with fans, having fun while making papers... as I said, someone is living the dream.
hats off
 
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j4yj4m said:
I'd say the unique thing about DC's "fan base" is, that the average donation is much lower. He makes his money by a very high number of small $ patreons. Most people simply give $1, some $5 and very few more than that. It's a substancial difference whether you pay $10 to $20 a month to play MilfCity (lol, sorry) or $0 to $12 a year to play SS.

And yes, those who only pay a few bucks a year certainly tend to be more patient than those who pay $200 or more to other devs. I personally see those few bucks a year as a token of gratitude and that's it. That's of course only as long as he's doing stuff...

Edit: Just to add one thing, which I think many people are really underestimating. He's streaming several times a week for many years now, without accepting donations there. And he's actually a pretty good streamer. He's likable, has a good voice, remembers a ton of users, does a lot of stuff to keep people active during streams, let's them participate in small decisions and answers their questions, while he usually has a good schedule and streams the right amount of spoilers, etc. That attracts people, makes them stay and makes them pay.
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Sure, streaming, that's worth the money. Except he doesn't stream "spoiler" content. But streaming was his hook (you'll notice he doesn't do it as much as he used to). When he did he would also stream content that never ever appeared in the game (he did loads before he changed the character rigging, which means all that "work" is in the recycle bin). When he's doing that, he's pretending to work. It looks like work, smells like work, but isn't. And you're lavishing praise on him for not working for nearly $56k a month? Just because you aren't personally being scammed doesn't mean you can't call out a scam.

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@Gasanvar:
Well, the time saving aspect was always questionable, given that everything has to be drawn anyway. The rig-system mainly served the purpose to save space, to enable the game to stay playable on mobiles especially, given that in some areas (especially the SEA) the majority of players seems to play on mobiles by now.

And sure, there are differences between devs. DC is a guy who worked in the animation industry, got fed up and wants to make his own thing with a small team. Other devs want to grow their business, etc. - each to their own. In the end people are free to give money to whom they like. But again, it's not like he's promising something he doesn't keep.

Edit: Just to add the stuff with the children. Sure, money matters, but you'll never get the time back you miss watching them grow up etc. so I can totally understand that people take a least a little time to enable that. At least I certainly know that I'll try to minimize travel and days away from home as much as possible once I've got kids. No matter whether it means a little less money or not... But that's, probably again, something everyone has to decide for himself.
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@cadwldr:
Sorry but that's just not true. Sure, he did some work ages ago (over 2 years by now), but that was when he was still talking about new projects and wanted to get SS done quickly. Those things were dropped rightfully because the quality was simply subpar. Once he decided to take it seriously, I'm not aware of anything that was lost. I do indeed dare you to name a few things he streamed in the last 12 to 18 months that went into the bin.

And sure, he doesn't do as much spoiler content as he used to, because back then he basically streamed huge parts of the update and the suprise was gone. Now he cares a little more and people don't get spoiled to the degree that they know what's going to happen. You may not agree with that, but it does make quite a bit of sense.

Edit: I'll withdraw from this discussion now. It's been held so many times over the years and minds won't be changed anyway. Stay safe.
 
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