Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[cadwaladr]

I am impressed how people are able to answer post's like that from cadwldr -great letter salad that pretends to be a nick btw-, because all i can read is mimimi, me so smart, all so stupid, mimimi. Which imo doesnt makes much sense to beginn with, so i wouldnt even know what one possible could answer to that. Well, quit whinning maybe, not that i would actually think that would work.

Cadwldr or anglicised as Cadwaladr was a Welsh king in the 7th century. As to the rest of your comment, if you had a reading age above that of my 3 year old, it would make sense to begin with. Sorry, "beginn" with. I'm not "whinning", I'm not even whining.

You're just reverting to type. "I don't like that there is someone (who isn't me) making all this money for this!" There's no proof of DC lying, milking or otherwise. You demand he switches up a work formula that has produced and continues to produce quality, timely, FREE content for something that YOU envision but don't clarify, and then proceed to call people who spend their OWN money and make their OWN decisions on what is worth their money stupid. Once again, another complaint artist mentally spending other people's money because they personally are 'just so much better at determining value and managing money'.

If people wanna patron something, LET THEM DO IT! People are not stupid. They have every right to make what YOU may consider a foolish decision for themselves.

I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY HE MAKES.

Seriously. He could make a million or a hundred or a dollar and if he's scamming he should be called out on it. 0.2.0 should not have taken this long. Yes he was ill, yes he had a kid. Guess what? No one cares. If you work a job and you're ill or you have a kid you tell the people paying you. It's up to them to decide whether to pay you when you aren't working. And don't give me this, Patreon is not a job. Patrons pay him for support. They have a right to know what they are supporting. Are they supporting someone working normal hours on a project or twiddling his thumbs or sleeping in bed or taking paternity. Did he tell his patrons before hand about his illness? Did he tell them about having another child? Did he suspend billing knowing that he wouldn't be doing work? No. He kept that quiet until after the fact. Maybe his patrons wouldn't have cared, but he's not giving them the option. Which means, for those who want to follow the bottom line: he's not being honest. In any other realm of business that would be called fraud. Why do we have to be financially invested, or even care about how much money is made, to get the right to call out, or flag dishonesty?

You don't think he's being dishonest, fine. That's your privilege. I think he is. That's my privilege. I have the right to say it.

And people are stupid. Especially when small amounts of money are concerned. It's easy to set up a reoccurring payment and forget about it so you cannot assume all patrons are happy with him. After all, Irredeemable still gets $123 a month.

 

[SCynic]

Did he tell his patrons before hand about his illness?

Hey guys, just so you all know, I wont be here in July. I'll be out sick with Malaria.

 

[Xanatos]

Cadwldr or anglicised as Cadwaladr was a Welsh king in the 7th century. As to the rest of your comment, if you had a reading age above that of my 3 year old, it would make sense to begin with. Sorry, "beginn" with. I'm not "whinning", I'm not even whining.



I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY HE MAKES.

Seriously. He could make a million or a hundred or a dollar and if he's scamming he should be called out on it. 0.2.0 should not have taken this long. Yes he was ill, yes he had a kid. Guess what? No one cares. If you work a job and you're ill or you have a kid you tell the people paying you. It's up to them to decide whether to pay you when you aren't working. And don't give me this, Patreon is not a job. Patrons pay him for support. They have a right to know what they are supporting. Are they supporting someone working normal hours on a project or twiddling his thumbs or sleeping in bed or taking paternity. Did he tell his patrons before hand about his illness? Did he tell them about having another child? Did he suspend billing knowing that he wouldn't be doing work? No. He kept that quiet until after the fact. Maybe his patrons wouldn't have cared, but he's not giving them the option. Which means, for those who want to follow the bottom line: he's not being honest. In any other realm of business that would be called fraud. Why do we have to be financially invested, or even care about how much money is made, to get the right to call out, or flag dishonesty?

You don't think he's being dishonest, fine. That's your privilege. I think he is. That's my privilege. I have the right to say it.

And people are stupid. Especially when small amounts of money are concerned. It's easy to set up a reoccurring payment and forget about it so you cannot assume all patrons are happy with him. After all, Irredeemable still gets $123 a month.

It does feel like the main thing bothering you is how much money he's making, more so than the 'dishonesty', but at the end of the day he is making free content, the people supporting him don't suddenly become his bosses or supervisors, they just like what he's putting out and supporting him into realizing the full vision for the project. You think your $1/$3/$10 entitles you to demand anything out of him? Fair enough if you think he's scamming people, not giving it his all to develop the game, or being generally dishonest, don't give your money and just wait for the next release that you will always get for FREE regardless.

It's just incredible the complaints you can have when someone is releasing free content. It's not your money he's taking in, I'm assuming, so why is it any of your business what others choose to do with it? It just really comes off as someone being a little too concerned about how much money someone else is making for your perceived lack of progress.

I think it's awesome that there's some guys making this absurd amount of money every month, it's going to motivate others to put out quality products and the more this becomes prevalent, the more educated Patrons are going to be about what's worth putting your money into and what's not. And I get to enjoy all of that content for free, without really worrying about when the next release is, it's a better life than worrying about somebody's wallet or schedule. Trust me.

 

[polom]

That's not what, I thought, iderama was saying. He wasn't saying DC shouldn't be earning this much money, he was saying "he shouldn't be earning this much money for lying". He actually provided evidence that DC is milking. We should have had 0.20 at least a month ago (according to DC's own timeline) and should be waiting for 0.25. Instead we are waiting for 0.20 and 0.25 might be postponed for a "shorter" update or Rhonda's update. That's not what he promised 6 months ago.

As to all this time for "new and improved parts of the game". Yeah, that's milking it. What the fuck is his coding team doing while he's drawing all this art?

This is why he needs a project manager. Of course, he doesn't want one, his team will work more efficiently and that means less money. Wake up. He's milking it. And don't expect patrons to realise this. ICSTOR's patronage went up after he admitted he was quitting his latest game. Gumdrop Games still has nearly 800 patrons and his earnings are approximately $2k-5k per month and he's the biggest scam artist out there. Patrons are stupid.

When I look at the work of japanese team in term of "level of quality", "fantasm concept" and "speed process", Summertime saga were obviously far overestimated since the early beginning :
- any actual pro drawer can make all actual game's art in less than a few week.
- even if you're coding your own VN engine with no initial knowledge in C++ (low programmation level), once you've made your engine, coding isn't that complex, especially for a VN and a point&click (i can tell since i am on this path).
- the base game story and concept can be found in japanese hentai since hentai is born in japan.
- updates barely add any content and tend to go in all direction (aunt, then blond girl, then sister, then blue hair, ...), nothing is finished in any ways.
- and since all optionnal story (blue hair girl, blond school girl, neiborough, ...) are all made on the same structure and seems to be rushed in a few scene from "early relationship" to "full sex intercourse" (like the 4 teachers), the game lose it's atmosphere at each restart because of the lack of progression and accomplishment feeling.
- the worst for me may be the lack of details care (as in japanese dev's optics). As exemple, the telescope stayed bugued from the beginning to now : when the father of the neighbourg girlfriend religious is supposed to have disappeared, he is still in bed at night.

But well, they were precursor to publish it in this format and while people continus to support them, what can you say : it's up to them to think if the frequence and the quality of update is satisfaying and worse the 2-10$/month or not.

 

[Randomewk]

Is it all the sex scenes or just some? Does it affect all saves or just some? Does it also affect a new started game on fresh install, after you deleted persistent data in settings?

It was affecting all the scenes in the main game, but the cookie jar worked perfectly normal. It's fixed after a restart, but who knows what actually went wrong. Thanks for the help.

 

[secretsonny]

- any actual pro drawer can make all actual game's art in less than a few week.

This lie needs to stop.

 

[polom]

This lie needs to stop.

Sorry, but it's true. Since i worked with a pro not so long ago and saw what a pro can do (quality / effiscientie) ... Summertime drawer definitively isn't a pro drawer.

Edit : go look any pro drawer tuto on youtube.

 

[2LAOD]

ehhh sorta...

 

[2LAOD]

Sorry, but it's true. Since i worked with a pro not so long ago and saw what a pro can do (quality / effiscientie) ... Summertime drawer definitively isn't a pro drawer.

Edit : go look any pro drawer tuto on youtube.

hypercam tutorials really messin the game up

 

[secretsonny]

Sorry, but it's true. Since i worked with a pro not so long ago and saw what a pro can do (quality / effiscientie) ... Summertime drawer definitively isn't a pro drawer.

Edit : go look any pro drawer tuto on youtube.

Cute butt, the idea that a single artist can do a ton of assets, backgrounds, and cgs within a week is ludicrous. A professional team doesn't even finish within a weeks time. I get the rah rah scam bullshit but you don't have to create lies to make a point.

 

[CrzMaris]

HE MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY IM SO ANGRY UGHHH PORN CREATOR MAN BAD, WHY DOES HE NEED A KID? WHAT HE NEEDS IS TO MAKE ALL THE CARACTER PREGNANCY SCENES. - me, a non patron non active non bug reporting non feedback giving non social media following person.

 

[Kryptozoid]

Having a hard time deciding which discussion is the most boring between "DC makes too much money" and "gnagnnagmffffgrlmmmblr NTR in DmD".

 

[secretsonny]

Bet. Time for NTR in Summertime Saga. We need Dexter to reveal he's the world's most impressive grower and have him fuck Mia.

 

[alenben]

So, any news on when the next update might be?

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Bet. Time for NTR in Summertime Saga. We need Dexter to reveal he's the world's most impressive grower and have him fuck Mia.

I have yet to find someone give a shit about Mia. Seriously. Even DC apparently doesn't give a fuck about the canon crush as she has only a few scenes.

She is just...so boring.

 

[Mrsubtle]

Sorry, but it's true. Since i worked with a pro not so long ago and saw what a pro can do (quality / effiscientie) ... Summertime drawer definitively isn't a pro drawer.

Edit : go look any pro drawer tuto on youtube.

This really depends on the art style and how much Detail you are willing to put in. Sure lots of comic/manga/hentai artists can draw popular characters within minutes. But that usually is also a the same Pose over and over again.
And probably done allot of work/practice/training to get there. This can take an insane amount of hours.

Also most Manga/Anime Art styles are very similar and Generic if you consumed lots of the stuff. Look up how many MC's are called Shin and how much they all look alike its ridiculous. And than those character designs are even used in other manga stuff under different names.

At best you could say that DC still needs to refine his work flow and time management.

 

[401Grem]

This really depends on the art style and how much Detail you are willing to put in. Sure lots of comic/manga/hentai artists can draw popular characters within minutes. But that usually is also a the same Pose over and over again.
And probably done allot of work/practice/training to get there. This can take an insane amount of hours.

Also most Manga/Anime Art styles are very similar and Generic if you consumed lots of the stuff. Look up how many MC's are called Shin and how much they all look alike its ridiculous. And than those character designs are even used in other manga stuff under different names.

At best you could say that DC still needs to refine his work flow and time management.

Yep, always seems so easy to those who can do nothing but complain!

 

[Gguga12]

I have yet to find someone give a shit about Mia. Seriously. Even DC apparently doesn't give a fuck about the canon crush as she has only a few scenes.

She is just...so boring.

I wonder if she will have a remake in her update like sis, aunt and mother got, her update is old as fuck

 

[KaiserKai]

What the role of the new red haired chick?

 

[2LAOD]

Sorry, but it's true. Since i worked with a pro not so long ago and saw what a pro can do (quality / effiscientie) ... Summertime drawer definitively isn't a pro drawer.

Edit : go look any pro drawer tuto on youtube.

Cute butt, the idea that a single artist can do a ton of assets, backgrounds, and cgs within a week is ludicrous. A professional team doesn't even finish within a weeks time. I get the rah rah scam bullshit but you don't have to create lies to make a point.

technically COULD be done... if it was all traced and there was no concept/design decisions made prior to even finalizing the art assets.
or animation. or rigging. or coding.
I mean you can say he's slow. I mean updates ARE slow. theres less than 10 people known working on this game. what u expect?
but u can't say he ain't 'pro' if his art skills was bad haha no one would b here... YOU wouldn't be here