Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5091] [Kompas Productions]

[manneychin]

Hours ? Takes about 15 mins to go from nothing to 0.20's content, even if you don't skip text

Could you please explain how you're doing this in practice?

I haven't played SS since 0.18.5 (1+ year ago) and I'm thinking about maybe trying 0.20.5 but then I hear 0.20.5 wil just be part 1 of what 0.20.5 was initially supposed to deliver so a 2nd part (0.20.8?) will likely come 4 months from now to wrap up the main story. My problem is I do NOT want to replay SS from the start. I did that for 0.18.5 and it was a gigantic waste of my time that took 8+ hours just to sit through content I already knew from my play-through of 0.16.1 from 2 years ago.

I can't fathom how you could skip through hours of game-play in 15 minutes especially since holding down CTRL to FF through dialogues you've already seen before doesn't work in SS due to the galactic genius that is DC.

 

[j4yj4m]

Could you please explain how you're doing this in practice?

The game isn't linear after all. All you'll have to replay is the intro/tutorial which is the story that happens in the first day. After that you simply play the new content and you ignore the old stuff. None of the last updates required any old content and the smaller ones, which built on old content, were usually compatible (like 0.19 to 19.5 for example).

There was for example basically zero need to replay 0.16. Roxxy or any other content for Jenny's 0.18/0.18.5. You basically did that for your own pleasure.

 

[manneychin]

The game isn't linear after all. All you'll have to replay is the intro/tutorial which is the story that happens in the first day. After that you simply play the new content and you ignore the old stuff. None of the last updates required any old content and the smaller ones, which built on old content, were usually compatible (like 0.19 to 19.5 for example).

There was for example basically zero need to replay 0.16. Roxxy or any other content for Jenny's 0.18/0.18.5. You basically did that for your own pleasure.

You're saying the routes listed here

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are 100% disconnected and you can choose to play just the newest route?

 

[j4yj4m]

You're saying the routes listed here

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are 100% disconnected and you can choose to play just the newest route?

Yes, the vast majority of them. The only ones which actually require somewhat larger amounts of old content are Diane/Debbie who need each other's story for the threesome and the optional monster girls, who require small elements of several other stories at times.

Everything else should be playable "from day one". At times there are some very minor dialog changes depending on whether you've played content or not, but in these cases you'd miss one version anyway and they are more or less meaningless for the game at the moment.

More connections may come later once the game is more or less done, but for now and for the foreseeable future it's gonig to stay like this.

 

[manneychin]

Yes, the vast majority of them. The only ones which actually require somewhat larger amounts of old content are Diane/Debbie who need each other's story for the threesome and the optional monster girls, who require small elements of several other stories at times.

Everything else should be playable "from day one". At times there are some very minor dialog changes depending on whether you've played content or not, but in these cases you'd miss one version anyway and they are more or less meaningless for the game at the moment.

More connections may come later once the game is more or less done, but for now and for the foreseeable future it's gonig to stay like this.

I vaguely remember there were at least some dependencies between routes (like you couldn't get a bike if you didn't have enough progress with Aunt's garden) at least in the beginning. Ironically, my second major problem with SS (the first was that perversions are vanilla and DC bent for Patreon) is just how disjointed it feels when you play all routes simultaneously like I did. A LOT happens everywhere in the world but everything feels deeply artificial in the sense that nothing you do on one route has any interesting influence on another despite golden opportunities at every step.

MEGA-ironically, DC's whole argument for dragging everyone through the misery of eternally broken saves was precisely that he wants the freedom to change routes with every new major version, presumably to tweak route-inter-dependencies as new routes are added.

I think saves will again be broken with 0.20.5 and then again with 0.20.8? just because "I got my money so fuck'em" so I'm really reluctant to spend time with this vanilla porn fest.

 

[j4yj4m]

Ironically, my second major problem with SS (the first was that perversions are vanilla and DC bent for Patreon) is just how disjointed it feels when you play all routes simultaneously like I did. A LOT happens everywhere in the world but everything feels deeply artificial in the sense that nothing you do on one route has any interesting influence on another despite golden opportunities at every step.

I mean, it's a very valid point but it should be a somewhat temporary issue. As long as the game is in development and as long as new stories are coming in and old stories may change again in details due to reworks, it's a lot of work to reconnect and reblance things again and again. I'm pretty sure the game will feel better in that regard once it is more or less completed.

MEGA-ironically, DC's whole argument for dragging everyone through the misery of eternally broken saves was precisely that he wants the freedom to change routes with every new major version, presumably to tweak route-inter-dependencies as new routes are added.

Hm, I don't think he said that in that way. Major interdepencies have always been off the table util the very end, but the point was more that updates often change stuff in all kinds of stories (like characters appearing in new, different locations at certain times of the day, the rig system gets new art, etc.) which until recently seems to be something the save system couldn't deal with properly so you'd get bugs everywhere and errors.

I think saves will again be broken with 0.20.5 and then again with 0.20.8? just because "I got my money so fuck'em" so I'm really reluctant to spend time with this vanilla porn fest.

We'll see. Saves did work from 0.19 to 0.19.5 and even to 0.20.0 in principle, but it's certainly not optimal the way it is. Given that 0.20.5 will be a direct continuation of 0.20 they should make them work.

Else it's worth mentioning that there's almost always a fitting savegame on their website, which has everything completed but the new content.

 

[manneychin]

We'll see. Saves did work from 0.19 to 0.19.5 and even to 0.20.0 in principle, but it's certainly not optimal the way it is. Given that 0.20.5 will be a direct continuation of 0.20 they should make them work.

Else it's worth mentioning that there's almost always a fitting savegame on their website, which has everything completed but the new content.

I was quite disappointed that for the longest time they didn't at least provide official resume-saves (like Noell does with Adventures of Willy D) but then I noticed they were provided except I only saw them starting with 0.20.1 (the very latest version).

It would be decent for them to provide resume-saves with every new major version but... since AFAIK they didn't explicitly commit to that kind of support you never know what the deep DC genius decides to be normal.

 

[2xjj]

I was quite disappointed that for the longest time they didn't at least provide official resume-saves (like Noell does with Adventures of Willy D) but then I noticed they were provided except I only saw them starting with 0.20.1 (the very latest version).

It would be decent for them to provide resume-saves with every new major version but... since AFAIK they didn't explicitly commit to that kind of support you never know what the deep DC genius decides to be normal.

This is a straight up lie because they provide a save with every thing completed after each update

 

[manneychin]

This is a straight up lie because they provide a save with every thing completed after each update

Really? Could you please provide a link to

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or

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where they (as in the game developers) provided saves where you could start playing 0.19.5 or 0.19.0?

Mind you I'm 100% willing to be proven wrong.

 

[Omnikuken]

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That's 1 for 0.18.6. There's also 1 on the main page every release but they update it so the 0.19 and before gets removed (thank RNGesus for that since most people would just fuck themselves by using older saves in newer builds)

 

[manneychin]

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That's 1 for 0.18.6. There's also 1 on the main page every release but they update it so the 0.19 and before gets removed (thank RNGesus for that since most people would just fuck themselves by using older saves in newer builds)

Well... I was wrong when it comes to 0.18.5, I wish I noticed that official save.

The first time I noticed an official resume saves was for 0.20.1 and I'm pretty sure there was none provided with 0.20.0. I'm not so sure about 0.19.x after your example for 0.18.5, though.

 

[2xjj]

Really? Could you please provide a link to

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or

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where they (as in the game developers) provided saves where you could start playing 0.19.5 or 0.19.0?

Mind you I'm 100% willing to be proven wrong.

Right here

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and one more

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[Omnikuken]

There's none for 0.20 since 0.20.1 is a bugfixed 0.20 and there's not much reason to put out a save for both. And since 0.20.1 came out 2-3 days after 0.20, another reason not to spam Patreon with needless saves

As stated in my last post : the main page 1 gets replaced every new build, there's nothing we can do about it. Maybe if you search hard enough you might stumble upon 1 in a random site with 0 guaratee it won't format your HDD or summon a black hole centered on your house

 

[BurnerIc]

Are you being paid by post or by word count?

You guys are getting paid?

 

[GeneGodHand]

You guys are getting paid?

My check just got mailed last night. Very avant-garde marketing strategy from DC, honestly.

 

[Hero1]

You guys are getting paid?

Funny, I once asked myself that same question. But apparently it's true. I was just asking j4yj4m about the payment model from DarkCookie since I only have 1,704 327 posts. I need to know If I have to step up my posting game if I want a chunk of that tasty Patreon money. DC clearly has enough of it.

 

[mdrjvc]

Yo, do you know a game like this one ?

 

[NerfDis]

Dang it

I think I figured it out

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I was playing very late at night when I had this idea/theory so who knows

hey ricardo milos funny

 

[banzemanga]

The truth is often times somewhere in the middle.

I would say that it is definitively true, that DarkCookie, is milking people. But i will also say, that he is putting a lot of hard work to it as well. Also, he certainly has taken it easy compared to when he was making the game at the beginning. But everyone does at some point. But it is not like he has been a slouch and not doing any work neither; nor sitting and milking people senselessly.

The problem lies in various things:
-The first one is that he hand draws everything from scratch instead of trying to make reusable assets. I would agree that for the sex scenes and characters, it is most likely best to be make as many new assets and variations as possible. This way, people don't get bored of the sex scenes. However, how many times did he re-draw certain characters and scenes that were already good? I would even argue that some of the older designs were even better. For example, Jenny's eyes rolling back during sex was so hot; but it has now been replaced by average scene.
-Reusable assets are best for environments and furniture. But no, he just wants to hand draw every room and furniture. And all of that takes time. And a lot of these things can be reused and combined in different ways so that they still feel different.
-The keeps making amends to the story-line. Most people are not aware of this because they simply skip forward the story they played before. He keeps making slight changes to a lot of different parts of the story of the game. So, these will certainly create inconsistencies and bugs. So he and his developers will have to hunt down different part of the stories for those changes. But again, nobody complained about the story before and liked them the way they were.

He just keeps "creating" work that is not necessary. I am sure that some of it is because he just like the story or art to go to a certain direction; and I can respect that. But i am also sure that he knows to a certain degree how a lot of it is not needed and he is just doing it to milk people for it. But it is not like he is just sitting back and not doing any work neither.

 

[Rsia360]

Yo, do you know a game like this one ?

No one know's, I've being searching a lot for games with this kind of pregnancy/incest element and I can't find anything...