Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5258] [Kompas Productions]

[Count Morado]

The game didn't even have a main story for a very long time and even after it had a main story you pretty much bounce around already existing questlines, it doesn't have to be anything different...

Now you're moving the goal line.

"I'm not saying anything that DC hasn't already stated" While completely ignoring the fact you downplay the remaining unfinished content by saying those are all supplementary and claiming everything else is because people want/voted for it and DC enjoys doing it. Implying the remaining content is extra and not mandatory for completion.

Wow, we've hit a personal sore spot for you, haven't we?

For the dance to be finished:

• Create an "ask your favorite waifu" screen
  • Only NPCs which the player has completed all content available at this time (or certain content available) can be chosen
  • Must have earned enough $$$ for tux, car, dinner, tickets to the dance

That would complete the original sets of missions laid out at the beginning of the development process. Would that include everyone that were in the initial character set available? No. But that could be expansion pack updates after a label as "complete".

There are a good number of characters in the cookie jar that weren't in the original plan and DC continues to add new NPCs because their fanbase wants more and he enjoys what he is doing. Saying that those are part of the original plan is not the full truth. The routes left open for expansion are just that - they can be done after the game is declared "complete"... in expansion updates.

This is the flipside argument to the people who say "6 years in development and not completed ... hur dur." The day the game gets a complete tag is when DC is tired of working on the project and wants to move on. Not a day before and probably not a day after. It could be tomorrow. It could be 20 years from now. It's not going to be because he's checked off all the boxes that he made on day one.

However, this "the game is not mostly completed" retort offers a similar denial. Will there continue to be content? Yes. Will DC continue to add NPCs? Yes. Will DC modify layouts, update the code, change display ratios, develop the game for other platforms? If the need arises and the opportunity allows - Yes. However, that said - the main content is complete and very little is needed for the dance to be implemented (one update, maybe two?). Everything else is added value, supplemental, and because patreons want to see more and DC is enjoying what he does.

 

[itsyeboii]

I never acted like it's mostly correct. What actually happen is you got annoyed over a differing opinion. Again you are welcome to disagree with me. Personally I don't care though. I'd say the game is around 90% and that everything that's not there currently is supplementary to what we already have, espically since most of the characters that don't content aren't that popular in the first place. So yes the game is mostly complete


I think what's a lot worse is you getting bent out of shape because you can't believe people on this thread have a different opinion. Also this game had the whole dead dad plot since around the beginning of the game's development.

I'm arguing for the sake of arguing, I know. But I'm not sure where I'm annoyed or bent out of shape.

Wow, we've hit a personal sore spot for you, haven't we?

Literally how? And the irony that this is coming from you too.

 

[storm1051787]

I'm arguing for the sake of arguing, I know. But I'm not sure where I'm annoyed or bent out of shape.

Literally how? And the irony that this is coming from you too.

What irony? I'm the one that keep saying you can disagree. Sorry if I'm being rude here but I honestly don't care. We all have opinions. I just don't care for the fact you need to call be back to the thread just to insist that my opinion is wrong.

 

[Count Morado]

Literally how? And the irony that this is coming from you too.

Please. You're taking this personal. And you're saying you aren't "annoyed or bent out of shape" does not change the perception that the tone of your writing gives that impression in this conversation.

As for the irony - take that as you wish. I can see how someone might think that. But the irony goes both ways -- you're riding this one trick pony pretty far.

EDIT: Since we're here, anyway...

Spoiler: The Count's FAQ for Summertime Saga (48)

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[tragicbronson]

All of you are equally annoying. Just hoping another batch of scenes drops soon so the dickriders and milk boys can take a break to coom. Goodness.

 

[Monstrous Moonshine]

All of you are equally annoying. Just hoping another batch of scenes drops soon so the dickriders and milk boys can take a break to coom. Goodness.

Well said!

 

[DieselX99990]

Guys, I want to ask because I saw a lot of fan-made and some say it's in the game, so here's my question: Did Tony sleep with Dianne? NTR? I hope I'm wrong.

 

[storm1051787]

Guys, I want to ask because I saw a lot of fan-made and some say it's in the game, so here's my question: Did Tony sleep with Dianne? NTR? I hope I'm wrong.

There is no ntr at all in the game and that's super out of character for both of them.

 

[j4yj4m]

@Count Morado ; @storm1051787

I'm not even sure why we are having this dicussion about the game being done. The game does have an official, detailed roadmap for patrons for many years, which looks like this:



I don't have access to the most recent version (edit: see Hero1's post below), but everybody can be sure that the game won't be considered done, before that roadmap is more or less finished - give or take a few details, of course. That's really all there is to say. It's not about opinions, takes or taste, but simply about what DC promised for years.

The game is realistically little more than half way done content-wise (given that there's still a lot to rework which isn't included in the number you see above) and every other suggestion may be an opinion, but isn't really based in reality.

 

[Hero1]

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I don't have access to the most recent version (this one is somewhere mid tech update) [...]

That screenshot should be before the last part of the main story, since that's the only thing that's different from the current roadmap:

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[storm1051787]

@Count Morado ; @storm1051787

I'm not even sure why we are having this dicussion about the game being done. The game does have an official, detailed roadmap for patrons for many years, which looks like this:

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I don't have access to the most recent version (edit: see Hero1's post below), but everybody can be sure that the game won't be considered done, before that roadmap is more or less finished - give or take a few details, of course. That's really all there is to say. It's not about opinions, takes or taste, but simply about what DC promised for years.

The game is realistically little more than half way done content-wise (given that there's still a lot to rework which isn't included in the number you see above) and every other suggestion may be an opinion, but isn't really based in reality.

So first your tag didn't work and second even looking at this it's mostly minor stuff, mostly technical. Two secondary storylines havent been started. Some extra details to some of the already existing scenes. Everything else is technical. There are no major characters who are missing content, pretty much all the locations are there. Besides Ronda who else is left that people really care about. So yeah it's still mostly done.



So yeah I still consider it mostly done. I dont really get why you are so stressed about the idea that. Isn't the fact that the main stuff is finished a good thing? Trying to rush to the defense claim that it's not mostly done is weird espically when everyone complaining about milking. It just seems like you are annoyed there is no prom storyline even though I don't think that many people care at all about it.

 

[j4yj4m]

So first your tag didn't work and second even looking at this it's mostly minor stuff, mostly technical. Two secondary storylines havent been started. Some extra details to some of the already existing scenes. Everything else is technical. There are no major characters who are missing content, pretty much all the locations are there. Besides Ronda who else is left that people really care about.

So yeah I still consider it mostly done. I dont really get why you are so stressed about the idea that. Isn't the fact that the main stuff is finished a good thing? Trying to rush to the defense claim that it's not mostly done is weird espically when everyone complaining about milking.

I don't have anything to add to my post, honestly. If you think you know better than the DC's own roadmap, that's fine.

You are essentailly the one claiming that a house is done just because the walls are up and the roof is water tight. Yes, that technically may be the case, but you can be sure that's neither what the architect planned, nor what the customer who wanted a complete house ordered.

Or to state my opinion: The game is about ~50% done right now and there's still a lot to do for DC.

 

[storm1051787]

I don't have anything to add to my post, honestly. If you think you know better than the game's own roadmap, that's fine.

You are essentailly the one claiming that a house is done just because the walls are up and the roof is water tight. Yes, that technically may be the case, but you can be sure that's neither what the architect planned, nor what the one who wanted a complete house ordered.

Seriously don't get why you are being defensive. Yes I'd say a house is mostly done if the walls, roof, and pluming are good and all that's left to do is add paint. Because based on your own roadmap map that's basically it. The majorty of the missing content is not new scenes or storylines but rather technical things and new dialouge. Just seems weird to me to get defensive. I know you are looking forward to the prom storyline but I seriously don't tink 80% of the player base cares about it

 

[j4yj4m]

Seriously don't get why you are being defensive. Yes I'd say a house is mostly done if the walls roof and pluming is up and all that's left to do is add paint. Because based on your own roadmap map that's basically it. The majorty of the missing content is not new scenes or storylines but rather technical things and new dialouge. Just seems weird to me to get defensive. I know you are looking forward to the prom storyline but I seriously don't tink 80% of the player base cares about it

I'm not beeing defensive at all. I'm just wondering why you are arguing against everything DC himself is saying (for years) and against his official roadmap. I kind of respect that you are defending your very unique judgement, but I really don't agree with any of your arguments.

 

[storm1051787]

I'm not beeing defensive at all. I'm just wondering why you are arguing against everything DC himself is saying and against his official roadmap. I kind of respect that you are defending your very unique judgement, but I really don't agree with any of your arguements.

Dude you brought a road map to try to claim it's not half way done after insisting a prom plot, which was only mentioned briefly in the intro and never again, was more important than the main storyline of the game itself. That seems pretty defensive. Of course i'd say a game was mostly done after the main story is finish i'd say it;s the same for any game. If you actually bothered to look that road map you'd see that there really isn't much to add besides technical details. Most of the characters have routes .The primary storyline is done. Everything else is literally just add a pregnancy option and rework old scenes and add some mini games.


It's fine if the dev has more stuff planned and they arent statisfied. But I cant think ofwhy any reasonable person wouldn't think the game is mostly done if they played what's already there. Sorry I ust don't consider minor characters to be important when i look at completion value.


I'm comparing this to a regular video game. Like if this was skyrim. The main story is done and all that's left to do is add in a few side quest and dungeons around to world so you aren't bored. The developer might not be satisficed but it's fine for the casual gamer. I also don't think DC is constantly insisting that this isn't done just that they arent satisfied with the current level of work

 

[Blumenkalte]

When this game will be complete? Just wanna play it completely

 

[j4yj4m]

Dude you brought a road map to try to claim it's not half way done after insisting a prom plot, which was only mentioned briefly in the intro and never again, was more important than the main storyline of the game itself. That seems pretty defensive.

Because I've been following this game from close to the beginning and I know that the main story was basically "just another update" for DC and really nothing out of the ordinary. You are the one who are claiming that it's something big, when it really isn't and wasn't intended to be.

Of course i'd say a game was mostly done after the main story is finish i'd say it;s the same for any game.

And that's fine. I just don't agree with you in this case. Simple, right?

If you actually bothered to look that road map you'd see that there really isn't much to add besides technical details. Most of the characters have routes .The primary storyline is done. Everything else is literally just add a pregnancy option and rework old scenes.

If you had bothered to actually understand the roadmap, you'd see how much work is in there. We are talking about full stories for Ronda, Judith and Annie, about complete, full reworks of Mia, Erik, Debbie and the teachers stories. Of addons to Diane's and Roxxy's story, etc.

And that's before we are starting to talk about dating, the prom and technical stuff.

It's fine if the dev has more stuff planned and they arent statisfied. But I cant think ofwhy any reasonable person wouldn't think the game is mostly done if they played what's already there. Sorry I ust don't consider minor characters to be important when i look at completion value

Any reasonable person would expect the things to be added which have been promised. You don't stop when you've technically delivered something that's somehow feasible, claiming you've done it.

You are actually the one who is arguing with some kind of "cutting corners" mentality for what ever reason.

 

[ImTransAndTiny]

When this game will be complete? Just wanna play it completely

Come back when you see next to the title.

 

[storm1051787]

Because I've been following this game from close to the beginning and I know that the main story was basically "just another update" for DC and really nothing out of the ordinary. You are the one who are claiming that it's something big, when it really isn't and wasn't intended to be.

So? Your trying to say that something called the "MAIN STORY" isn't big. As if it literally isn't what 80% of the content revolved around. It may seem like just another update to you but it wasn't to most people following, and I doubt it was ever considered ust another update to DC either

stories for Ronda, Judith and Annie, about complete, full reworks of Mia, Erik, Debbie and the teachers stories. Of addons to Diane's and Roxxy's story, etc.

I mean that's my point. 3 side characters who arent popular and redoing old content that was already finished but that the devolper isn't satisfied with. If most what to do is to remake something that already exists I'm going to say it's mostly complete.

DC doesn't have to rework it. Those stories are finish. They decided that they could do better so they redid it. But they could release it the finished game without reworking those stories and nobody would say those story lines felt incomplete because they werent.


If you remake a movie that doesn't mean the original movie was incomplete

Any reasonable person would expect the things to be added which have been promised. You don't stop when you've technically delivered something that's somehow feasible, claiming you've done it.

You are actually the one who is arguing with some kind of "cutting corners" mentality for what ever reason.

I'm sorry did you actually see me say the game was finish? No I said it was mostly finished. And that all that's left is relatively minor compared to what's already in the game. It's like the toppings on a pizza. The pizza can still be considered finish without toppings but adding toppings makes it better. No I'm not arguing some sort of "cutting corners" mentality. It's literally the exact opposite. DC just decided to take his time to polish it, but compared to most games it's has enough content already to be considered complete and that's something to be proud of. Not to constantly whine claimg it's being milked



And by the way. Most of what was promised is already there. That's my whole point

 

[j4yj4m]

So? Your trying to say that something called the "MAIN STORY" isn't big. As if it literally isn't what 80% of the content revolved around.

Yes, It's really just semantics. Realistically they'd have better called it "MC's dad update" "the bad guys update" or so. And no, it's certainly not 80% of the content, but just a frame to provide some purpose to MC. The game would have been boring without that kind of background story otherwise. The core of the game are the school girls and the family. Isn't that made obvious by the fact alone, that none of the "main story" related female characters are main girls?

I mean that's my point. 3 side characters who arent popular and redoing old content that was already finished but that the devolper isn't satisfied. If most what to do is to remake something that already exists I'm going to say it's mostly complete.

You may say that (again and agian) it's not DC's position though. And that's what counts, right?

DC doesn't have to rework it. Those stories are finish. They decided that they could do better so they redid it. But they could release it the finished game without reworking those stories and nobody would say those story lines felt incomplete because they werent.

I really hope you don't have that kind of attitude in real life. I really wouldn't want to do business with you. And next to that you are really wrong on this (see below).

If you remake a movie that doesn't mean the original movie was incomplete

You do, if you knew right away that what you produce wasn't supposed to be the final version. Mia and Erik for example were always supposed to get another update and it's been clear for more than 3 years by now that everything will be reworked. The same is true for Debbie and even Diane, where it was clear that she'd get another update. That's just the facts.

I'm sorry did you actually see me say the game was finish? No I said it was mostly finished. And that all that's left is relatively minor compared to what's already in the game.

You can repeat that ten times more and it's still not a good, fact based opinion. Sorry.

Edit:

And by the way. Most of what was promised is already there. That's my whole point

The problem seems to be that you just assume what DC may or may not have promised, while you disregard his actual promises.