Nullx54

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Sustainability. "This is making us lots of money" =/= "this is always going to make us lots of money."

If you wait until your cash cow dries up, it's too late. It is 1,000 times easier to start something new with a huge existing fanbase than to earn back your fans - for your current project or a new project - once you've run your reputation into the ground. And that's exactly what's going to happen. It won't be a huge, sudden crash, but I guarantee he's already started slowly bleeding patrons. That trend is going to increase.

Smart money is to begin a new project when you're getting close to finishing your current game. Star talking about being in the home stretch for your current project. Lay out a "road map to the finish line." And while you're hyping everyone up for the new release, simultaneous start talking about what's next. Use the buzz you've got going for your current project to get an accelerated launch on your new project.
One dev by the name of Huli has made around 4 games now in the span of SS's cycle.

New projects can eventually dry up the cash flow, too. Especially if said new project just end up being more and more of the same. It's why NLT's series is being received more and more on a meh level.
True, that is one of the downsides of that. New Projects need something fresh or else the game may as well be a DLC.
 

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Despite my several complaints about the game's development, I've never felt making the game "Never-ending" was a problem.

If he just kept adding storylines and scenes at a decent rate, there wouldn't be a problem.

The issue all lies in the development rate (especially his art production rate, with the current coder and posing team). A rate that crashed out with the tech update, when may as well have vanished for 2 years, when suddenly showed up with something no where near the complete overhaul he proclaimed, still boasting old art assets he had talked about replacing at least a year before said tech update.

Speaking of said art production rate, today's announcement on discord:

No more live streams for the rest of this week as I will be away.

Get ready for the completion of Debbie's rework to be delayed again!
 
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Despite my several complaints about the game's development, I've never felt making the game "Never-ending" was a problem.

If he just kept adding storylines and scenes at a decent rate, there wouldn't be a problem.

The issue all lies in the development rate (especially his art production rate, with the current coder and posing team). A rate that crashed out with the tech update, when may as well have vanished for 2 years, when suddenly showed up with something no where near the complete overhaul he proclaimed, still boasting old art assets he had talked about replacing at least a year before said tech update.

Speaking of said art production rate, today's announcement on discord:




Get ready for the completion of Debbie's rework to be delayed again!
this dude pisses me the fuck off (DC), like I get that you got a lot of shit to do but you're rich as fuck from this game why not hire more people to work on the game or work more on it yourself with your already existing team? he's got the best NSFW game of all time and yet he isn't delivering SHIT to the community. (I mean he is but he's slow as hell while having a team that helps him out)

fix this fucking problem bro you're rich as hell and you own the best NSFW game oat like do something about it.
 

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this dude pisses me the fuck off (DC), like I get that you got a lot of shit to do but you're rich as fuck from this game why not hire more people to work on the game or work more on it yourself with your already existing team? he's got the best NSFW game of all time and yet he isn't delivering SHIT to the community. (I mean he is but he's slow as hell while having a team that helps him out)

fix this fucking problem bro you're rich as hell and you own the best NSFW game oat like do something about it.
Because he simply doesn't want to. This has been a topic of discussion even before he started the tech update. People still support him no matter what so he doesn't care if people here complain about it.
 
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New projects can eventually dry up the cash flow, too. Especially if said new project just end up being more and more of the same. It's why NLT's series is being received more and more on a meh level.
Of course it can dry up. But you're a thousand times more likely to succeed if you maintain a reputation for consistency and seeing things through than if you milk one thing until people lose all interest.
 
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Its interesting to see how most arguments here have their foundation fall through if you look close enough. Most people put "Development Progress" as the front runner of it or the lack thereof in their view. Comes down to the amount of content in a patch and the time between patches for most people. That's all the value they have the ability to see. Some of the time also framing it as scamming or milking it. Drawing out updates, less content per update, but intentionally doing so knowing things could be done faster.

Been around since the first release and this is been a common rhetoric.(This is a new account lost access to the old one) The only negative thing I can think of is there is somewhat the illusion of choice when it comes to the polls. Especially in some of the early ones and maybe lesser so as the project progressed or more so depending on how you look at a few aspects. This for me was in the form of limited character options or options in the polls and giving choices where there was an obvious choice that would win out and did in those polls.

A few things to keep in mind here. This project has been running for a while and its not just a game people sub for. The ability to perceive your involvement in the development of the game(Voting, QA feedback, community, ect) is and attractive selling point for a sub. You can see he streams often 1 to 2 hour streams. So you can see the content created in real time. You don't even have to sub for this its offered for free. Its hard to agree with the stalling or scamming aspect due to this. Not all content is created on stream either so you know time outside is spent. This is just the artwork as well he does not do the programming. The pace has remained pretty consistent and you can tell the quality has improved over the first iteration. Could it go faster, maybe? Whatever the formula is for the pacing of the project its been working and subs keep growing. There is always going to be a degree of saturation where the increase slows as well. The game is free at the end of the day and if they're still subbed its probably not because they want updates faster.

I think everyone agrees we all want more content faster but some don't know how to regulate their emotions. I wish it was an update a month and I think that might squash some of this argument. However it will always be the prevailing theme of the thread. Its common for most game threads that are free or have a similar offer model.

Now I think there is something we can all agree on. If we don't get a Debbie and MC breastfeeding handjob scene before her content is over we riot?!?!?
 

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Incest Patch for the latest update (WIP 6011) and the Pre-Tech Version (0.20.16)

This is a patch that reverts back the relationship of the characters to how it was before the change in Patreon policy.
For feedback and suggestions, please see this thread I've created.
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Why use this patch?
Much more comprehensive list of changes to dialogue. I checked almost every line of dialogue and made sure it flowed correctly. This is not just a simple name change for the characters, but whole blocks of lines are back to their 14.5 version of the game (the last version that has incest). New dialogue written for this tech update also were taken into consideration since DarkCookie is adding new story beats. I'll try to make the dialogue conform to their familial relationship as much as possible. I also modified the art asset to fit the new widescreen resolution of the game, and will continue doing so as needed.


What about other incest patches out there?
outdated and shouldn't be used. Lots of text bugs and not made for the latest pre-tech version.

is not compatible with my patch. It hasn't been updated in a while and all the changes that patch offers is also included in my patch.

Relation Tweaker Mod is not compatible with my patch. However, I recommend using this one instead if you want to customize the relationship between characters. This patch allows step relations or mixed step/incest relations. It works with the new tech update only.

Relation Tweaker Lewd+ is standalone and should work with any incest patch/mod. It works with the new tech update only.

Naughty Tribute Mod is not an incest patch, but a mod for the pre-tech version (0.20.16). There are some compatibility issues I haven't looked into yet. Someone in this thread uploaded a fix here, and while I haven’t personally tested it, you’re welcome to give it a try.


Installation:
Pick only one version of the mod. Use the appropriate patch for the version of the game you're using. for more info.
- For the Pre-Tech version (0.20.16,) download Pre-Tech 0.20.16.zip
- For the Tech version (WIP 6011), download WIP 6011 v2.zip

Unzip and place the ipatch file inside Summertime Saga's game folder.
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Credits:
This patch is inspired and modified from the previous uploads that came before it. Special thanks to Scarlet Ashbringer, Sothyr and Xaverion for their previous work on a patch. And to raschi for helping me with some questions on how to develop this patch!
I've updated the patch again.

2025/06/12
Fixed phone hints
Made minor revisions to dialogue
Further modified Anon and Debbie's dialogue at Raven Hill
Added missing dialogue (thanks to Xaverion for the report)
 

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it's incredible that we are going to get gta 6 before this game lol
Yes, I know you are attempting a joke:
GTA 6: https://f95zone.to/search/494983779/?q=gta&t=post&c[thread]=276&o=date
HL 3: https://f95zone.to/search/494983881/?q="half+life"&t=post&c[thread]=276&o=date
Star Citizen: https://f95zone.to/search/494984095/?q="star+citizen"&t=post&c[thread]=276&o=date

Observation:
You have been able to play Summertime Saga for 9 years while it's been in development (and development hell).
You have not been able to play GTA 6 at all while it's been in development (and development hell).

Completed:
GTA 6 completed before Summertime Saga? Most likely. Right now the tentative release date for a "completed" version of GTA 6 is delayed to May 2026 due to unforeseen development issues. Summertime Saga has no plan to release a "completed" version any time in the near (or mid) future - simply adding content and tweaking the game until they get tired of doing so.
 

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My first hgame i downloaded after watching its gameplay on youtube. I dont even remember how long it has been since then but i was still in school back them.Play it on my phone and really enjoyed it. And even now after almost a decade of being developed its still not finished. Perhaps this game's decade-long development hell is a metaphor for something.
 

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I remember when this game used to get actual updates, it was crazy to come home from school, pick up on a stream from DC, then a few weeks later see the stuff he was drawing on stream on the actual game

2017 feels so long ago now
 
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