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I don't think there is, the fight works in a way where every right choice gives you +1 [valwin], getting 4 is required to win honorable, and you need 3 to win dishonorably. You can get the +1 [valwin] with either 80 power or 19 skill. I might be wrong though, and there might be a dialogue change if you have more power/more skill, I'll check it out a bit later.
Edit: I was wrong, actually, there is a difference even as early as soon as you and Valravn get on the roof, if you have 19 skill you trade with it almost blow for blow, while if you have less than 19 you are overwhelmed by it's technique. Either way you have to take hits in order to hit Valravn.
You also overpower it with your mace arms if you have over 80 power, so I'm double wrong.
It's possible to get both 19 skill and 80 power, here's what I did:
Go for technique in the Michael fight
The farmer, the scientist, Jake, Erik, basically all male characters that could be killed are killed
Danica is alive
Minyak submitted
Cops killed in the Jake fight
Horn taken
Kenny not eaten
Bailey killed when she ate the black liquid
I'm currently at the infinite cycle before the mall, so you'd probably have a bit more power before the Valravn fight. There's no real reason to do this since you'll be fine either having 80 power or 19 skill. And there's nothing special expect being able to almost trade blow for blow and overpower Valravn at the same time.
Final stats before the mall: 20 corruption, 80 power, 19 skill
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Ok by guide I meant like... A good guy guide. The best playthrough kind of guide(in my opinion) would be one where I am a good person but I still follow a harem route.
 

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Ok by guide I meant like... A good guy guide. The best playthrough kind of guide(in my opinion) would be one where I am a good person but I still follow a harem route.
You don't really need guide for harem route. You pretty much have to opt out, with quite obvious choices, from getting in pants of any and all fuckable characters.
 

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You don't really need guide for harem route. You pretty much have to opt out, with quite obvious choices, from getting in pants of any and all fuckable characters.
You have a very varied rooster of fertile females for making little Eldrich spawns of course as long infertility of the Superman is not a fact in that case just a team to do tentacle play. LOL
 
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You have a very varied rooster of fertile females for making little Eldrich spawns of course as long infertility of the Superman is not a fact in that case just a team to do tentacle play. LOL
I mean, seeing as the MC first evolution was able to seriously wound Ella and keep her regeneration at bay in the bad ending Ella route, and at his second evolution later stages he could basically fight one at his evolution like it was nothing and fight monsters on their third and is already able to morph other people, i wouldn't be surprised if our boy is powerful enough later on to be able to make himself and other sups fertile again for the sake of his Harem.
 
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I mean, seeing as the MC first evolution was able to seriously wound Ella and keep her regeneration at bay in the bad ending Ella route, and at his second evolution later stages he could basically fight one at his evolution like it was nothing and fight monsters on their third and is already able to morph other people, i wouldn't be surprised if our boy is powerful enough later on to be able to make himself and other sups fertile again for the sake of his Harem.
Ella wasn't trying in that fight, when she strattles you; she pretty much kicks your ass and lets you know she can. I think it was more so a surprise you grew faster than anticipated. But make no mistake, this latest update truly showed the difference between an Evolution.

Ella seems to have a time table, she wants you to grow fast but not TOO fast as to skip past her little bubble of guidance. Example being if you reveal your secret weapon (jellyfish). Notice she cares not for huge boots in power, but only when it's puppeted by her. Example also being helping you achieve metal, giving you challenges, knowing about Klaus and seeing how you'd handle it. But the second you do something out of term it's pretty much death. I know not for the reasoning, nor for the guestimated know it all theories behind them. But those are the facts so far.
 

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The spawn of might looked at the void eyes of the one who once was his brother in arms and asked what have you become? The father of monsters was the answer he was gifted before his mind meld with all the others he once knew so he would not have to behold the dawn of the protean from the husk that was mankind.
 

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The "taken care of" flag is only ever used in the game if Erik lives, MC then forces Erik to give Lucy a raise.

That said, Erik and his pals are the only people my otherwise nice MC has zero problems with devouring* They're serial rapists and murderers who show absolutely no remorse, whoever takes over Erik's business and/or inherits his money would have to try really hard to do worse than them.

*) also Bailey, but that's at her own request
I know about the taken care of flag. Which is used in the game not if Erik lives, but when you actually speak to Lucy. If you speak to Lucy about Erik's location, she pleads for you to let her keep her job to support her sickly daughter. You can say not to worry and that she will be taken care of, but then can go and do the exact opposite by killing Erik. There is no indication of mention that she is EVER well off after that fact.

It is only during sparing Erik, that you kill his "rapist and murdering" associates, and spare ONLY HIM to see that Liz AND Amber are taken care of for their JOINT swimming career, and Lucy is tied into it by getting a raise, and Erik is to only interact with the twins through her. As far as I'm concerned for a harem evil route, this is the best option. As you open up (potential) future scenes with the 3 of them perhaps when we get out of H.E.R.O.

Like I mentioned, should you kill Erik, not only does Liz lose her sponsorship to go "do something else" (probably leading to Amber not wanting to do swimming either), but it also seems that you completely fuck over Lucy and her dying daughter. Not a very good harem Master are you...?

Edit: I would've loved if Liz and Amber found a new sponsor instead, and Lucy was covered by the Mafia, but it doesn't seem like that is the case.

Perhaps "Evil" is too subjective, I'm not a ridiculously unnecessary douche bag, and I don't think the game allows for that kind of narrative anyway (to some extent). I suppose I'm kind of like a less compassionate Eren Jaeger. I have little to no regard for those outside of my immediate circle who get in my way. But I cherish those close (that don't fuck me over; Deryl and Jake). I like Michael, I like the bar fight with Daryl, I even like the little kid at H.E.R.O, and Clark kinda (he stole from me, I'll return the favor if needed). But of course, I also like tits and ass, so females will be added to the harem one way or another (fuckin tsunderes). I was nice to Jake in the beginning, then he turned into a dog that had to be put down. I liked Deryl, but then he had to be childish in a life or death scenario. It's the little things that tick me off, the farmer caught me, I don't know him, he's dead, none will be the wiser. The world is cruel as Ella puts it, and that applies to real life, given a chance to have powers like this; I probably would only care about those close, and screw everyone else around me, but this is a porn game, and there is sex, and with sex comes a harem that must be satisfied.
 
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Ella wasn't trying in that fight, when she strattles you; she pretty much kicks your ass and lets you know she can. I think it was more so a surprise you grew faster than anticipated. But make no mistake, this latest update truly showed the difference between an Evolution.

Ella seems to have a time table, she wants you to grow fast but not TOO fast as to skip past her little bubble of guidance. Example being if you reveal your secret weapon (jellyfish). Notice she cares not for huge boots in power, but only when it's puppeted by her. Example also being helping you achieve metal, giving you challenges, knowing about Klaus and seeing how you'd handle it. But the second you do something out of term it's pretty much death. I know not for the reasoning, nor for the guestimated know it all theories behind them. But those are the facts so far.
Oh yeah, i know the MC was vastly weaker than her, but the fact remains that the MC was on his very early stages of his first evolution and Ella was probably at her third or fourth evolution by that point and the MC was still able to surprise her and restrain her healing factor even if for a bit.
 

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Now that you mention the Ella dead ends again, this update was weird when it came to the MC's powers being revealed. He just casually told Xanthe everything about his memory and "perfect" shapeshifting power and nothing happened. It makes it seem like Ella's reaction early on seem a bit too brutal. While Xanthe thought his abilities were impressive, he wasn't shocked or gave off heavy desire for it, at least on the surface.

It's safe to say the 3rd and/or 4th already know about the MC's secrets after he evolved to lvl 2. That still brings up why Ella tried to get you ate by the 4th the 1st time and then outright killed you the 2nd time. Ella most definitely knows about both of our abilities by now but she hasn't tried to kill us since we reached lvl 2.

Maybe it was like I guessed and it was only useful to kill him prior to his evolution. Once he reached lvl 2, it seemed like they were willing to accept him as their greater spawn since he actually proved his worth and "developed" nicely.

I'll have to continue paying attention to this as the game progress. If it's still relevant, of course.
 

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Now that you mention the Ella dead ends again, this update was weird when it came to the MC's powers being revealed. He just casually told Xanthe everything about his memory and "perfect" shapeshifting power and nothing happened. It makes it seem like Ella's reaction early on seem a bit too brutal. While Xanthe thought his abilities were impressive, he wasn't shocked or gave off heavy desire for it, at least on the surface.

It's safe to say the 3rd and/or 4th already know about the MC's secrets after he evolved to lvl 2. That still brings up why Ella tried to get you ate by the 4th the 1st time and then outright killed you the 2nd time. Ella most definitely knows about both of our abilities by now but she hasn't tried to kill us since we reached lvl 2.

Maybe it was like I guessed and it was only useful to kill him prior to his evolution. Once he reached lvl 2, it seemed like they were willing to accept him as their greater spawn since he actually proved his worth and "developed" nicely.

I'll have to continue paying attention to this as the game progress. If it's still relevant, of course.
Well it's possible that since Xanthe isn't a superhuman himself he isn't aware of the greater significance of compatibility and subsequent powers. He himself said they are not as good at finding out who would be a good fit but on the other hand Ella can naturally see it. Since ella's goal isnt revealed it could just be that between ella and Xanthe they both took different things from the MC's powers revelation. The 3rd (and maybe 4th) seems to directly communicate with her.
 

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Now that you mention the Ella dead ends again, this update was weird when it came to the MC's powers being revealed. He just casually told Xanthe everything about his memory and "perfect" shapeshifting power and nothing happened. It makes it seem like Ella's reaction early on seem a bit too brutal. While Xanthe thought his abilities were impressive, he wasn't shocked or gave off heavy desire for it, at least on the surface.

It's safe to say the 3rd and/or 4th already know about the MC's secrets after he evolved to lvl 2. That still brings up why Ella tried to get you ate by the 4th the 1st time and then outright killed you the 2nd time. Ella most definitely knows about both of our abilities by now but she hasn't tried to kill us since we reached lvl 2.

Maybe it was like I guessed and it was only useful to kill him prior to his evolution. Once he reached lvl 2, it seemed like they were willing to accept him as their greater spawn since he actually proved his worth and "developed" nicely.

I'll have to continue paying attention to this as the game progress. If it's still relevant, of course.
I like that direction Drako, but I think it's like I said, it's a dominance thing. She's prepping us for the 3rd and 4th's bidding, and if we progress too fast or too slow; we die. The Ella Fight is too fast, because we supriser her, she leads us to our death. The jellyfish attack is too soon as she quite literally states, "You're progressing too fast", and of course there are the dead ends of which you DON'T heed her advice in training and die. But notice everytime you get stronger, it's by HER hand.

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Klaus Evolution (she urges you to evolve soon beforehand, and tells you later on that she let you handle him)
Tips on power and constantly edging your to get stronger

A side note, Ella evolved to lvl 5, and she realized that the 3rd and 4th had not selected her to do their bidding. So she states that it'll probably have to be you (indirectly but it's pretty clear). We know that the Numbered usually like to choose lvl 5s to do their biddings moreso, as they are closer to their monster ancestor at that level. So I thing the reason why Ella led us so early on to the 4th; was to see if our ridiculous growth and potential was what they were looking for...it was not. Which is why she looked scared and sort of shocked when we were killed by it.

I have another theory, I think the reason Ella wasn't chosen (other than the fact that we are the MC) is because she took a shortcut to get to lvl 5, which is also why her leading us to the 4th (like a shortcut) got us killed. It's insulting, the monsters have only ever really been about their nature, instinct, and giving into what they are. So taking a human made shortcut would be like spitting on God given powers with technology, while ignoring all the experience to go with it.
 
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Now that you mention the Ella dead ends again, this update was weird when it came to the MC's powers being revealed. He just casually told Xanthe everything about his memory and "perfect" shapeshifting power and nothing happened. It makes it seem like Ella's reaction early on seem a bit too brutal. While Xanthe thought his abilities were impressive, he wasn't shocked or gave off heavy desire for it, at least on the surface.

It's safe to say the 3rd and/or 4th already know about the MC's secrets after he evolved to lvl 2. That still brings up why Ella tried to get you ate by the 4th the 1st time and then outright killed you the 2nd time. Ella most definitely knows about both of our abilities by now but she hasn't tried to kill us since we reached lvl 2.

Maybe it was like I guessed and it was only useful to kill him prior to his evolution. Once he reached lvl 2, it seemed like they were willing to accept him as their greater spawn since he actually proved his worth and "developed" nicely.

I'll have to continue paying attention to this as the game progress. If it's still relevant, of course.
Doesn't Xanthe kinda behaves like a sociopath? I have the distinct notion that he indeed is since he talks about Sups without any tone of fear in his texts, i feel like thats why he doesn't really gives a crap about anybodys powers besides their use for his research and experiments...

As for Ella i feel like she wants the MC to learn to think and evolve by himself so some extent, so i personally think that's the reason why she decides to feed him to her daddy when he challenges her, because he is too immature for challenging her knowing he couldn't win, and when she kills him because he reveals his new power to her, because he is still too naive, so i do believe she wants to groon him so that he can fend for himself while she's not around and that's why on the last training session she kinda says something that felt like a final goodbye, because at that moment he was ready to train on his own.
 
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I like that direction Drako, but I think it's like I said, it's a dominance thing. She's prepping us for the 3rd and 4th's bidding, and if we progress too fast or too slow; we die. The Ella Fight is too fast, because we supriser her, she leads us to our death. The jellyfish attack is too soon as she quite literally states, "You're progressing too fast", and of course there are the dead ends of which you DON'T heed her advice in training and die. But notice everytime you get stronger, it's by HER hand.

Metal bending
Kenny
Klaus Evolution (she urges you to evolve soon beforehand, and tells you later on that she let you handle him)
Tips on power and constantly edging your to get stronger

A side note, Ella evolved to lvl 5, and she realized that the 3rd and 4th had not selected her to do their bidding. So she states that it'll probably have to be you (indirectly but it's pretty clear). We know that the Numbered usually like to choose lvl 5s to do their biddings moreso, as they are closer to their monster ancestor at that level. So I thing the reason why Ella led us so early on to the 4th; was to see if our ridiculous growth and potential was what they were looking for...it was not. Which is why she looked scared and sort of shocked when we were killed by it.

I have another theory, I think the reason Ella wasn't chosen (other than the fact that we are the MC) is because she took a shortcut to get to lvl 5, which is also why her leading us to the 4th (like a shortcut) got us killed. It's insulting, the monsters have only ever really been about their nature, instinct, and giving into what they are. So taking a human made shortcut would be like spitting on God given powers with technology, while ignoring all the experience to go with it.
About your side note, it was actually the secret monster that killed the protagonist, not the 4th, the secret monster even kills the 4th first before moving to the protagonist.
And regarding your last point, i personally believe that the reason why she thinks the MC is the one is because the 3th or 4th comunicates with frequency with the MC and they probably stopped doing it with her, hence why the same that transformed her goes after the MC, because she is the equivalent of a failed Chosen one of sorts for the numbered... but thats just an assumption of mine.
 
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Well it's possible that since Xanthe isn't a superhuman himself he isn't aware of the greater significance of compatibility and subsequent powers. He himself said they are not as good at finding out who would be a good fit but on the other hand Ella can naturally see it. Since ella's goal isnt revealed it could just be that between ella and Xanthe they both took different things from the MC's powers revelation. The 3rd (and maybe 4th) seems to directly communicate with her.
I like that direction Drako, but I think it's like I said, it's a dominance thing. She's prepping us for the 3rd and 4th's bidding, and if we progress too fast or too slow; we die. The Ella Fight is too fast, because we supriser her, she leads us to our death. The jellyfish attack is too soon as she quite literally states, "You're progressing too fast", and of course there are the dead ends of which you DON'T heed her advice in training and die. But notice everytime you get stronger, it's by HER hand.

Metal bending
Kenny
Klaus Evolution (she urges you to evolve soon beforehand, and tells you later on that she let you handle him)
Tips on power and constantly edging your to get stronger

A side note, Ella evolved to lvl 5, and she realized that the 3rd and 4th had not selected her to do their bidding. So she states that it'll probably have to be you (indirectly but it's pretty clear). We know that the Numbered usually like to choose lvl 5s to do their biddings moreso, as they are closer to their monster ancestor at that level. So I thing the reason why Ella led us so early on to the 4th; was to see if our ridiculous growth and potential was what they were looking for...it was not. Which is why she looked scared and sort of shocked when we were killed by it.

I have another theory, I think the reason Ella wasn't chosen (other than the fact that we are the MC) is because she took a shortcut to get to lvl 5, which is also why her leading us to the 4th (like a shortcut) got us killed. It's insulting, the monsters have only ever really been about their nature, instinct, and giving into what they are. So taking a human made shortcut would be like spitting on God given powers with technology, while ignoring all the experience to go with it.
Doesn't Xanthe kinda behaves like a sociopath? I have the distinct notion that he indeed is since he talks about Sups without any tone of fear in his texts, i feel like thats why he doesn't really gives a crap about anybodys powers besides their use for his research and experiments...

As for Ella i feel like she wants the MC to learn to think and evolve by himself so some extent, so i personally think that's the reason why she decides to feed him to her daddy when he challenges her, because he is too immature for challenging her knowing he couldn't win, and when she kills him because he reveals his new power to her, because he is still too naive, so i do believe she wants to groon him so that he can fend for himself while she's not around and that's why on the last training session she kinda says something that felt like a final goodbye, because at that moment he was ready to train on his own.
Maybe. It could be any of these.
 

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Maybe. It could be any of these.
It's very possible, I'm sorry I don't have all of my facts in order, but one thing I'm positive of is that Ella has a path laid out, if it's true that the Numbered stopped communicating with her, it begs the question; what path is she on now?

It still seems pretty linear to me, not much has changed in the way she operates despite not being chosen. Which begs the question, if my theory holds true about the shortcut to lvl 5; then does that mean almost all the lvl 5 H.E.R.O operatives are in the same boat?

Perhaps a large majority of them have never even been spoken to, let alone Chosen upon lvl 5 BECAUSE they skipped a "natural" evolution.

Which begs another question, what are the monster's goals? We know that they are preparing to invade Earth to some extent, but monsters have also shown to be predatorial; individual. For 2 of the highest Numbered to be teaming up I find VERY strange. Monsters are not known for their Heroism, and while we know they sometimes deliver their genes involuntarily; there's a good chance that the H.E.R.O 5s aren't doing their God's work, nor were we "mistakenly" picked by 2 of the Numbered at the same time.

I'll do a deep dive tonight, but I feel like the answer is right on the tip of my tongue... potentially...
 

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It's very possible, I'm sorry I don't have all of my facts in order, but one thing I'm positive of is that Ella has a path laid out, if it's true that the Numbered stopped communicating with her, it begs the question; what path is she on now?

It still seems pretty linear to me, not much has changed in the way she operates despite not being chosen. Which begs the question, if my theory holds true about the shortcut to lvl 5; then does that mean almost all the lvl 5 H.E.R.O operatives are in the same boat?

Perhaps a large majority of them have never even been spoken to, let alone Chosen upon lvl 5 BECAUSE they skipped a "natural" evolution.

Which begs another question, what are the monster's goals? We know that they are preparing to invade Earth to some extent, but monsters have also shown to be predatorial; individual. For 2 of the highest Numbered to be teaming up I find VERY strange. Monsters are not known for their Heroism, and while we know they sometimes deliver their genes involuntarily; there's a good chance that the H.E.R.O 5s aren't doing their God's work, nor were we "mistakenly" picked by 2 of the Numbered at the same time.

I'll do a deep dive tonight, but I feel like the answer is right on the tip of my tongue... potentially...
I feel like the MC is the supposed chosen because both the 3th and 4th seen to comunicate and apparently are with him to some level seeing as they both appear to kill the first when the MC eats Jake, so they kinda see the MC as a son to some extent seeing as they are a father and mother figure of sorts, hence why his powers are similar to Ellas that was chosen by the 3th even when he picks the 4th, he somehow inherited both powers and thats why they both seen to follow and comunicate with him...
That is part of my theory is at the moment.
 

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I feel like the MC is the supposed chosen because both the 3th and 4th seen to comunicate and apparently are with him to some level seeing as they both appear to kill the first when the MC eats Jake, so they kinda see the MC as a son to some extent seeing as they are a father and mother figure of sorts, hence why his powers are similar to Ellas that was chosen by the 3th even when he picks the 4th, he somehow inherited both powers and thats why they both seen to follow and comunicate with him...
That is part of my theory is at the moment.
Mm I'm not buying it. You're telling me that these HIGHLY independent and hostile monsters, who are known to fight for territory or less; just so happened to be next to each other in the same park AND be amongst the top Numbered, all while joining up to pick the same host at the same time? No. I don't buy it as just a friendly miss gene injection.

They have a plan, like you mentioned they teamed up against the 1st, they are definitely associated with each other, and that in itself makes them arguably the most suspicious and most dangerous characters in the entire game.

As much as I love mister way of the wind H.E.R.O avatar, and Deus the foresight drug dealer, I can't help but be on my guard against the intentions of our Numbered.

The 2nd just seems to be doing their own thing, the 1st potentially the same. But 3 and 4 are not only working together which is downright unheard of for intelligent monsters, but are constantly pushing us forward towards corruptional choices and to further our powers. Much like Ella, which leads me to believe they left her like someone mentioned, but she still seems dead set on following out whatever task she was given.

That all being said; we still don't know what the fuck the monsters truly want other than preparing us for their arrival, and that most of the Numbered aree dead (I'd assume thanks to injured Zack and the other elite H.E.R.O agents), potentially also that unknown monster (I went back to check, if it's not the 1st, what is it?)
 

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I know about the taken care of flag. Which is used in the game not if Erik lives, but when you actually speak to Lucy.
No. When you speak to Lucy, the flag is potentially set. It's used where i said it's used:
Python:
    if helplucy == True:
        jump erikhelplucy
#...
    label erikhelplucy:
    You "Oh and speaking of, you're going to give your secretary a generous raise and pay for all her daughter's medical expenses."
    Erik "H-How do you know about-"
    You "I know a lot of things Erik. And I'll know if you try to fuck me. So keep that in mind."
    Erik "G-Got it!"
This is the only place this flag gets referenced.

Like I mentioned, should you kill Erik, not only does Liz lose her sponsorship to go "do something else" (probably leading to Amber not wanting to do swimming either), but it also seems that you completely fuck over Lucy and her dying daughter. Not a very good harem Master are you...?
On the romance storyline Liz goes to Erik to quit her sponsorship out of her own volition. She elaborates on it in the epilogue:
Python:
    Liz "Oh? That? I quit, or resigned, or whatever you want to call it. It's not worth the hassle."
    LAmum "WHAT?! You quit your sponsorship!!!? WHY!? After all the effort I put in to set up that interview, and after you passed it!? Why would you give that up!!?"
    Liz "It's boring. I thought I would just be training and racing, but all the sponsor bullshit was taking up my time. So, I cut 'em loose. "
So, you know, it's not like you're doing her any favor having her still interact with the fat fucker she wants nothing to do with, and wasting her time on things she has no interest in. All she wanted was swimming with Amber, and she gets to do that just fine after she quits, without the tiresome sponsorship bullshit.

If you think having her keep the scholarship is a good idea, just consider her mom thinks it's a good idea. The woman who is wrong about pretty much everything.

As for Lucy, you seem to operate with cartoon presumption Erik is some sort of Load Bearing CEO and when he dies, his company is dissolved, and all employees lose their jobs. When in reality things don't really work like that and Lucy is very likely still a secretary to the next boss. Maybe she even doesn't have to suck his dick for a change.

Also, what makes you think i have any interest in playing some harem master nonsense? Not to mention i fail to see why this should make me feel very guilty about not taking special care of a woman who was ready to throw MC's close friend (and who knows how many girls before her) under the rapist-slash-murderer bus.
 

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Now that you mention the Ella dead ends again, this update was weird when it came to the MC's powers being revealed. He just casually told Xanthe everything about his memory and "perfect" shapeshifting power and nothing happened. It makes it seem like Ella's reaction early on seem a bit too brutal. While Xanthe thought his abilities were impressive, he wasn't shocked or gave off heavy desire for it, at least on the surface.
I'd imagine the perfect shapeshifting is what Ella was specifically after, and that's why she's grooming the MC, in hope he develops it (because she doesn't know he already has it). Apparently to then take it from his corpse for herself or smth.

Xanthe meantime has only scientific interest in monster powers. He also has other ways to obtain and use them, that don't require murdering their carriers.
 
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