one of the only times i have seen Loremaster Gtdead biased. I do believe had no reason to lie, cocky as he is, i do think he took down valravn with the other kids. Plus he would've been called out by the other kids if he really did nothing.
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I got the vibe most of em wouldn't care but would relish at the thought of making him look bad while bragging about doin shit when he didn't.
I'm confident that Cole most def fought Val, I mean look at how Cole has acted (other than being cocky) he isn't the type to let others fight for him. He rushes in head first as cocky and as confident as ever even if its detrimental for those around him.
The one instance he doesn't do this is when he is with Jared and Charlie (he knew it was time to go so go he did. Although I imagine its primarily because of Ella's orders)
The idea that he'd make the others do it while he rests on his laurels is out of character for em.
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Eh, I'm pretty sure Cole didn't beat Valravn and Zara implied that even Ella had to help. I forgot which option you had to choose but it was right before Nico arrives. I believe it's the choice that has MC chatting up with Zara. So even with Valravn, Cole was all talk. Charlie also said later that he basically screwed them by waking Val up, I believe. Which also implied Val might not have been at full power even then. Especially since Cole "lost" his heart around the same time. I think Val even comments on it to the MC at some point too.
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More or less this is what Zara says:
Now what I can gather from what Cole says is basically he wasn't bragging about "defeating" or "taking down" Val but rather just straight fighting him.
Depending how that was there could of been a period of time Cole was fighting it by himself before Ella or anyone else showed up (knowing how he is, he probably rushed in).
Despite not being at full power its quite clear it required everyone (even Ella) to get involved to fight Val (who knows how much power he used during that) but we know Val was regaining enough strength to push MC to the very limit during that fight.
No one corrects Cole for saying this line. Which implies he did a lot of damage to Val himself.
Btw to get the first picture response just thank Cole.
Edit: Even if you taunt Cole he basically says what Zara would say if you thank cole.
He even mentions that Big Sis (Ella) had to get involved but its clear her role wasn't that large and just made sure her kids didnt die (Cole landed some sort of big blow to Val which left em weaker, weak enough for MC at least).
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I don't think them not correcting Cole points to him not lying personally but meh. Also, since you have the game loaded, can you check the statement with Charlie? I think it happens where monster Deryl gives Ella the heart.
I should stop being lazy and just download the game again but we all know where that's going to lead me.
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Gimmie a bit to find the spot and i'll check da statement.
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Thanks. I really don't need to play and find a new reason to make a 6th Playthrough. 5 playthroughs are already a pain to manage. I don't think I'll be able to remain sane with a 6th one.
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Alright papa Syther here with da statement(s):
So here's what Charlie said:
Now Cole here is taking a lot of flak from Charlie but Zara says something that puts shit into perspective:
So Zara and Charlie's powers do jack and shit against Val which implies Cole was doing the fighting (with help from Briar I assume and maybe some other kids).
Which I can guess is why Ella had to get involved.
I can see why now Cole isn't being corrected by anyone on stage. He was doing a lot (with help from assumably Briar and Ella)
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Yes, that's what I was referring too. Thanks for going through the trouble of finding it and posting it.
That's why I feel like Cole didn't actually do much of anything. They stole his heart before he woke up, which weakens him and Cole's attacks shouldn't do anything to him since Val's passive miasma blocks those types of powers. Unless Cole has some kind of physical attack, Ella carried them all. Which is why I felt like Cole was just talking big to the MC. Sure, he fought Val but according to Charlie, Val kicked his ass before beating the rest until Ella came.
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No prob Brother Drako.
Well there is a chance Briar played a role in it that allowed Cole somehow to bypass the Miasma. He could also as you said have a physical attack.
There's also a possibility (doubtful) that maybe Val's passive doesnt work on Cole's power or people with similar.
Idk the vibe im gettin from all this is that due to Zara and Charlie being unable to do shit Cole had to do the heavylifting.
Yeah he got his ass kicked but other than help from Briar he was goin at it alone until Ella showed. Unless Ella corrects him later on I can see why he brags about being the one to weaken him (I mean we dont know his full capabilities so maybe he has some hidden tricks) doesnt help that no one corrects him.
I do wanna mention that Charlie was mad at Cole which is why she worded that he got his ass kicked (she wanted to make him mad I guess)
really? i didn't know they stole it before he woke up, the way charlie worded it made it seem they fought Valravn without his heart, which means he was porbably an B+ to A- level monster without his heart which is still insane with just two level 3s (presumably briar should be a level 3 too) It still ranks as an impressive feat by Cole considering he did it with only briar to help. [also zara pretty much confirms that full powered Valravn was an S level Monster]
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The really unfortunate part is we lack much of any info on Briar so we dont know how much help he truly provided...for all we know he got taken down quick and easy just like he was with Nico.
From that 1 fight I don't think Briar is much of a physical fighter (he seems to be a support) so it's possible Val bop'd em and took him out of the fight which if was the case Cole was solo'ing Val fully until Ella showed.
From that 1 fight I don't think Briar is much of a physical fighter (he seems to be a support) so it's possible Val bop'd em and took him out of the fight which if was the case Cole was solo'ing Val fully until Ella showed.
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The weakened part could also easily be referring to stealing his heart there. Remember, Charlie said their heist involved stealing his heart until they, likely Cole, decided they should fight it. Cole definitely fought him by himself but that doesn't mean Val wasn't destroying him while Briar was giving him heals. If that's what Briar was there for. Charlie and Zara were basically useless. Shen would be too with those illusions of his.
As for Cole's power working on Val, I thought it said intangible and non physical abilities didn't work? Like, I recall Light being mentioned as not working somewhere. I'll have to check but if true, none of them could actually use their powers against him. All their abilities should be food for Val's miasma. Unless, without his heart, his passive isn't as strong. Then I could see why Cole could do some damage. I still think Ella ultimately carried them though.
Likely B-Rank or slightly lower. They, or Cole rather, stole his heart first. Cole said fuck it, let's beat his ass while he's sleeping and Val wakes up and beats their ass instead. This goes on until Ella appears and presumably beats him.
Another possibly important detail is Val probably couldn't use his armor without his heart. We know he just ran around with just his bird form until Deus gave him his heart. This is mostly speculation for now because I think he was going to use it against MC during their first encounter before he got his heart but the 2nd appeared.
You sure he was B-Rank or lower when he fought cole? i don't think ella would need to step in for a B-Rank or lower.
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XD i don't wanna read what i wrote last night
. But cuntboy gonna get himself killed for acting cocky it doesn't Need to be us alice would be a nice counter just nuke the Living shit out of him
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Raven boy just woke up and had the power tank low. The second round gonna be even more epic because yes there is gonna be a rematch to many flags to say no
What do you think about possibility of several years time skip in near updates (give MC and the rest of the team time to grow and build themself up, show that SIN is not you "vilian of the week" type opponent, but a serious threat and let some worldbuilding to react and adapt to this "new world")?
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I'm on the fence with time skips can help but also fuck everything so yeah also when the dark moon raid patch comes you gonna get your world building XD
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I actually have a good reason to suspect that Cole did nothing in this fight other than just "trying" to wound Valravn and failing hard. I will explain in the end of the post.
In any case, just taking part in this fight makes it extremely likely that he had to survive Valravn's attacks, especially considering that he probably was the only one who would do any damage to Valravn, and he would be the prime target.
Some snippets that showcase Cole's character.
He uses the word "beat", but when MC taunts him it's clear that he believes he didn't beat shit.
He takes credit for something he didn't do and he only admits that because Ella knows what's going on.
The idiot actually was the reason why MC eventually fought Valravn and he still believes that his action was beneficial.
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Valravn's threat level:
Valravn when MC fights him is a B Class threat according to the description. Small arms don't work against him, heavier tech like Tanks are useless against him and they normally send a level 3. MC was level 2 and Xanthe said that his chances were extremely low. This resonates fairly well with what Ella says about the chances of a level 2 vs level 3s, so I consider this matter closed.
Considering that a bunch of level 3s had trouble beating him, he would be a Class A or higher during that fight. Perhaps stealing his heart weakened him.
I think that Valravn in full power is a rank S, like the other monsters with pure connections to Apostles, Aglaecwif, Hex, Goliath etc. However it seems that his power level is a bit too malleable. He is a tough bastard but he needs to consume if he sustains injuries, true to his carrion status before his ascendance.
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Why I think that Cole and the kids never had a chance against Valravn and it was all Ella:
I will try to be as clear as possible with the progression here, because it's important.
1) Valravn was strong enough to fight a bunch of level 3s.
2) After the fight, Valravn was barely functional. It took many hearts and Deus? to restore his basic functionallity.
3) If MC as a level 2 managed to beat Valravn, then MC as a level 3 would completely wipe the floor with him.
4) 4-5 level 3s are surely more powerful than a single newborn level 3.
5) The team of level 3s had so much trouble that Ella had to go save them.
My point: If the kids were capable of wounding Valravn so much that it needed to eat with a straw, they would have done it without Ella, by chipping at it constantly till he couldn't take anymore. Valravn seems to lose a lot of power when he gets wounded, so the chipping strategy would work wonders till it is weak enough for Cole to blow it up and leave it barely alive. But they couldn't. Charlie, Zara and Shen have mental powers, Briar is probably support guessing from him behavior, and Cole has heat based powers (MC uses Valravn's armor replica for fire immunity).
It's obvious that they bit WAY more than they could chew, but Cole instead of admitting his mistake of fighting an extremely strong monster without knowing that it resisted all his attacks, he claims he "fought and weakened it". It's quite possible that during the fight, Cole was all "Protect me and I will kill it", so all he did was raising his hand and looking mean, never managing to do anything useful while the others did all the work of handling Valravn and surviving it's attacks.
I'm calling it here, it was Ella 100% that wounded Valravn. All the kids managed to do was annoy him, dodge him and perhaps trip him but all of them were incapable of wounding him.
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and there's that line from old Val when he's released from Ella where he says something along the lines of I should kill you and eat your heart for weaking me. I feel like if Cole was this big mac daddy warrior that bodied Valraven, old Val would've mentioned him as the one who wounded him