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Rank and class mean effectively the same thing, as stated by the teacher.
Specifically, "rank" is assigned to the mission, and "class" to the monster.
A C-Rank mission will always be targeting a C-Class monster.
Classification is based on "strength compared to other monsters".
This seems to correlate directly to their "Power" statistic.

As rated by WW himself in monster reports, Valravn when fought is C+, Minyaks are D-Class, Leigong is C-class.
Deryl's chimeras are both C-Class, and the main one was C+, though it may have been B proper after its "evolution."
The +/- are noted to be as powerful as another monster in their class, but as dangerous as a class above or below.
For example, Valravn effectively has the power stores of a C class, but the danger level of a B class when MC fights him.

A brief comment on the Asura-
I am disappointed the scythe did not see use, it would have been interesting to see how effective it would've been.
Interesting, I don't have access to the monster reports. I do feel however that there is a bit of an inconsistency between what the teacher describes and WWs ratings. The humans with 2 tanks couldn't even scratch Valravn. This doesnt sound like the description for a C rank.

It also seems that Michael is significantly stronger than I gave him credit for. Michael soloed his Chimera while Laurie and Alice could not beat theirs before Alice's evolution.
 

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Oh yeah, forgot to comment on the where I think next update is going. We've covered this a few pages back but the SIN Initiation is going to cover 5 things, in my opinion.

1. Infiltration
2. Socializing
3. Induction + Reveals
4. Cover blown
5. Fight


The first and second part will be pretty standard. We'll see the top members of SIN and likely get a look at the monsters that reside in Hex's dimension. We'll probably talk to Ella's Lieutenants and others along the way. This is where the MC's identity going to start to crumble. I have a feeling they're going to find out during these parts but wait until after he has the mark and is under oath to reveal that they know his identity.

Which now leads us to the third part and ultimately the fourth part. The initiation itself. Since Charlie has set up her power on MC already, she'll know it's him before he goes under the oath. The real question would be if she would tell or let it pass because of what happened with Laurie. In my opinion, she won't say anything and just go along with it. That said, everyone else will likely see through MC as they likely know it's him by now. This is right after they reveal their plan to all of the new members.

Lastly, the fight. This is where Nico comes in. Zack(or maybe even Deus comes in) sees what's about to happen and tells her to extract the MC but since this is Hex Dimension, she gets locked in another battle with it. MC starts fighting SIN members until Cole steps up and fights. Nico sees what's about to happen and lends a hand to the MC here and there as he fights. They fight it out until they have a chance to retreat with Nico killing Hex. When they return, SIN has already snatched Liz and Amber.

That's what I see happening. Some of it likely won't happen, or in that order, but I have a feeling it'll go like that. After their return, I have no real clue. Besides a bunch of ideas like MC taking his training serious now with the twins potentially captured. Ella probably won't "wake up" until the very end of the update or after a decent portion of it has gone by.
 

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As for Dead Ends, I touched on that as well. Mostly the Nico specific one. MC loses too much for not fighting the Asura for it not to mean anything. It's probably not going to be as severe as I believe it to be. At least, it wouldn't lead into an immediate dead end but likely sets up one in the next update.

Another Dead End would be Cole. While I'm confident current MC can beat him, I feel WW isn't going to make it that easy. Realistically, from what we've seen of Cole and his power, MC completely counters him. Now you might be wondering how it would lead to a dead end then and I would say Cole may secretly have a trump card in his power kit. That or he Evolves mid fight and that leads to one, if we're too cocky.

Killing too many people. I feel like there's going to be bait kills next update. Basically, like the Charlie one but with Ella's Lieutenants and other important people. Jared might not escape his death next update but he might wound the MC with some secret weapon Xanthe's son developed that leads to a dead end. Since he is working with SIN.

The unlikely to happen but possible dead ends are ones involving monsters. MC running into Goliath as it recovers. I doubt child thing and Aglaecwif will be there but that could happen as well. We'll probably see Nyx's Monster types and get instant killed by their negative energy. Hex could also do his dimension dump trick on us again too. We might even run into completely different monsters from the 9th - 12th lines.

That's what I figured is going to be some of the dead ends next update. At least for the SIN Initiation. I can't think of where it goes after that so that's up in the air.
 
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Interesting, I don't have access to the monster reports. I do feel however that there is a bit of an inconsistency between what the teacher describes and WWs ratings. The humans with 2 tanks couldn't even scratch Valravn. This doesnt sound like the description for a C rank.
Note that they could damage his base form, consistent with him being C-Class, and he was invulnerable when armored.
That said, as a C+, he is as dangerous as a B Class. Which is consistent with his performance after manifesting the armor.
 
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As for Dead Ends, I touched on that as well. Mostly the Nico specific one. MC loses too much for not fighting the Asura for it not to mean anything. It's probably not going to be as severe as I believe it to be. At least, it wouldn't lead into an immediate dead end but likely sets up one in the next update.

Another Dead End would be Cole. While I'm confident current MC can beat him, I feel WW isn't going to make it that easy. Realistically, from what we've seen of Cole and his power, MC completely counters him. Now you might be wondering how it would lead to a dead end then and I would say Cole may secretly have a trump card in his power kit. That or he Evolves mid fight and that leads to one, if we're too cocky.

Killing too many people. I feel like there's going to be bait kills next update. Basically, like the Charlie one but with Ella's Lieutenants and other important people. Jared might not escape his death next update but he might wound the MC with some secret weapon Xanthe's son developed that leads to a dead end. Since he is working with SIN.

The unlikely to happen but possible dead ends are ones involving monsters. MC running into Goliath as it recovers. I doubt child thing and Aglaecwif will be there but that could happen as well. We'll probably see Nyx's Monster types and get instant killed by their negative energy. Hex could also do his dimension dump trick on us again too. We might even run into completely different monsters from the 9th - 12th lines.

That's what I figured is going to be some of the dead ends next update. At least for the SIN Initiation. I can't think of where it goes after that so that's up in the air.
WW likes to taunt us. Doesn't let us kill Jared when he kills Laurie, if we try to kill him during infiltration it leads to a deadend. He also seems to be integral to the plot, with the whole "1 year magic pebble search" so I don't see him dying anytime soon, other than a deadend like you described.

As for the special bolts, I had an idea a few weeks back. I think it's common knowledge by now that MC has a weakness to electricity. If Ella was willing to tell Langdon about memory powers, she probably has told him about his weaknesses too. It fits the whole "I expose you to force you into conflict" mentallity.

I think MC will get trapped, fighting for his life and Jared will shoot him with an electricity bolt to "seal the deal". At that point MC will figure out how to use electricity to his advantage and turn the tables up to a certain point (as foreshadowed during MC vs Jake, electricity made him break Jake's control easier and regenerated faster).

Note that they could damage his base form, consistent with him being C-Class, and he was invulnerable when armored.
That said, as a C+, he is as dangerous as a B Class. Which is consistent with his performance after manifesting the armor.
Yeah, this explanation makes a lot of sense. I think Valravn is a bit peculiar, perhaps not the best example to explain the +- ranks. It makes a lot more sense to me in Hydra Deryl's case, based on the teacher's description.

At some point he says that a level 2 can generally deal with a C Class, but if the encounter is C+, he may have trouble, and that's why HERO likes to send agents in pairs. I could see a pair of levels 2 dealing with Hydra Deryl (considering that his defenses were based on the red light working against MC's organic projectiles), but against Valravn? One well placed slash and both of them would die. The difference in combat ability seems extreme.
 
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Something that I thought about was: why doesn't the MC utilize some mechanism similar to the one fleas use
I know that he can fly and use his tails to reach high altitudes but think about it:
Like his mantis punch in a sense, he can reach the same heights in under a second and getting his enemies in the distance in a surprise attack
For the MC that specialize in close combat range this could be a very powerful trump card
 
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Something that I thought about was: why doesn't the MC utilize some mechanism similar to the one fleas use
I know that he can fly and use his tails to reach high altitudes but think about it:
Like his mantis punch in a sense, he can reach the same heights in under a second and getting his enemies in the distance in a surprise attack
For the MC that specialize in close combat range this could be a very powerful trump card
I could see this work wonders in close quarters when using plate, which is generally slow. Especially if he can use the momentum from the launch to augment the mantis strike.

If we are talking about attacking air however.. light armor MC moves 2 times faster than the fastest bullet. Probably Mach 9. He "blinks" once and moves "several" hundred meters. Average blink time is 100 ms and "several" should be at least 3. So we are talking 3000 m/s. The fastest bullet according to google is the .220 swift which travels at 1400 m/s tops.

If MC can combine this speed with an increase to his density and attack with the full weight of his body, the force generated is going to be ridiculous. Probably significantly more than what he can generate with the mantis attack.

Wait a minute what Classifies as a perfect Asura fight? And/or what are the minimum requirements?
If you fight it at 28 skill, you get +1 skill as a reward (in addition to another relationship point with Nico). Skill is generally hard to come by so any free gains are significant.
 

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I was just looking at the thread and saw someone mention that when the MC got electrocuted in the jake fight it helped him break out of jakes control, I'm starting to think electricity might be more than just a weakness but actually a strength booster, whenever the MC get's electrocute his flesh swells up and explodes, similar to how when he consumed the flesh of a lot of cattle he couldn't fully control his form and became an extra large eagle when he flew away from the scene. maybe the electricity is just powering him up and his earlier form's just couldn't handle all the energy going in at once, and now that he's reached his third evolution he may go from having to strictly avoid electricity to it being a double-edged sword that can kill him or amp up his strength and help him win a fight. does anyone else have any evidence for this or am i just schizo posting
 

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I was just looking at the thread and saw someone mention that when the MC got electrocuted in the jake fight it helped him break out of jakes control, I'm starting to think electricity might be more than just a weakness but actually a strength booster, whenever the MC get's electrocute his flesh swells up and explodes, similar to how when he consumed the flesh of a lot of cattle he couldn't fully control his form and became an extra large eagle when he flew away from the scene. maybe the electricity is just powering him up and his earlier form's just couldn't handle all the energy going in at once, and now that he's reached his third evolution he may go from having to strictly avoid electricity to it being a double-edged sword that can kill him or amp up his strength and help him win a fight. does anyone else have any evidence for this or am i just schizo posting
Imma be real when Deryl first told about electricity I thought of this same thing like it's something which we can't handle right now but it's some sort of power stimulus for Mc,so I had the same thought as you.
 

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I was just looking at the thread and saw someone mention that when the MC got electrocuted in the jake fight it helped him break out of jakes control, I'm starting to think electricity might be more than just a weakness but actually a strength booster, whenever the MC get's electrocute his flesh swells up and explodes, similar to how when he consumed the flesh of a lot of cattle he couldn't fully control his form and became an extra large eagle when he flew away from the scene. maybe the electricity is just powering him up and his earlier form's just couldn't handle all the energy going in at once, and now that he's reached his third evolution he may go from having to strictly avoid electricity to it being a double-edged sword that can kill him or amp up his strength and help him win a fight. does anyone else have any evidence for this or am i just schizo posting
This would make sense, if MC could control the accelerated "flesh growth" from electricity he could get a super giant form instantly or a super condensed/heavy form.
 
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Also, you guys are extremely perceptive, I don't remember the electricity helping the MC break free from Jake's control. When I'm back on that part I'll have to really sink in the details.
 
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