jexyheir

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So maybe Deus got so little power that lv5 MC mistook him as human.
Maybe, that's just it. But it seems like monsters always know who is spawn and who's not. So I was getting ideas that he's from same breed as Shopkeep or something.

For Ella's seeing ability...
Yeah, I was asking more about "knowing" shit, like which monster give to whom. Was a stupid question cause she did tell that she basically senses everyones' physique down to genetics and compatibilities. Which seems alright to be from Third. And about mental status she can just be observing and guessing, considering number of fuckups like Kenny.
Doesn't explain how she knows so much about monster lore and where to find them, I guess we'll learn for sure later.

About seeing everything I always thought she just plants bugs in everything she wants as she goes. Also means she has private 5g between her cells, kinda cool. MC should do stuff like that, but he's too stupid to even copy bodies of everything he's touching.

Also noticed that WW changed the scene with identification of Ellas' dead body. Added couple lines that explains why MC shouldn't touch it. Such a small detail that adds a lot for the story as a whole. Thanks for that.
 
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Maybe, that's just it. But it seems like monsters always know who is spawn and who's not. So I was getting ideas that he's from same breed as Shopkeep or something.



Yeah, I was asking more about "knowing" shit, like which monster give to whom. Was a stupid question cause she did tell that she basically senses everyones' physique down to genetics and compatibilities. Which seems alright to be from Third. And about mental status she can just be observing and guessing, considering number of fuckups like Kenny.
Doesn't explain how she knows so much about monster lore and where to find them, I guess we'll learn for sure later.

About seeing everything I always thought she just plants bugs in everything she wants as she goes. Also means she has private 5g between her cells, kinda cool. MC should do stuff like that, but he's too stupid to even copy bodies of everything he's touching.

Also noticed that WW changed the scene with identification of Ellas' dead body. Added couple lines that explains why MC shouldn't touch it. Such a small detail that adds a lot for the story as a whole. Thanks for that.
She's got perfect molecular control of her body, so presumably she can see and evaluate other people down to their molecules as well, makes sense that she can figure out peoples compatibility.
 
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GODDAMNUSERNAMES

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Hey I was wondering if anyone had a save file or a version of the game with all the gallery unlocked? I played through the game multiple times and I kept getting stuck on this one part against the blueish bird thing at the harbor, and when I realized how far back I would have to go I just kinda gave up.
So yeah does anyone have a save with the full gallery please?
 

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Hey I was wondering if anyone had a save file or a version of the game with all the gallery unlocked? I played through the game multiple times and I kept getting stuck on this one part against the blueish bird thing at the harbor, and when I realized how far back I would have to go I just kinda gave up.
So yeah does anyone have a save with the full gallery please?
There isnt really a way to get all scenes open in 1 playthrough, some scenes have too much variation or come up only during specific routes. The Gallery Unlocker is linked on the main page, though.
 

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While anything's possible, the twins seem to make up the universe in a dualistic manner. In the sense that they have cosmic properties that govern everything.

Demi's power alters perception and emotions which could be a memory and authority trait. Monsters breeding a lot created many traits so it's not exactly guaranteed that it hints at an Apostle Trait. 9th and 10th was originally thought to be Death and Destruction by me before the reveal this update but it seems that Life falls under Creation which eliminated the need for the Life and Death duality. Especially since Destruction is now the 11th.

The only thing I can think of at the moment is Cause (9th) and Effect (10th) with the combined power being Causality. I'll have work out some ideas after rereading Eisheth memory scene again. It does hint at what her trait could be but we'll likely have to wait and see.
when we talk to Aglaecwif and Valravn, they tells us that order, which brings together authority and power, is probably the greatest power.
So each pairs has a more general theme and creation + destruction couldn't just be chaos?
the 3rd and 4th have the body and memory could have a link with the soul, which would fall on the theme of life.
and we could put dark and light under the theme of void/death and could even be connected to the lord of dark that Valravn worship.
 

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when we talk to Aglaecwif and Valravn, they tells us that order, which brings together authority and power, is probably the greatest power.
So each pairs has a more general theme and creation + destruction couldn't just be chaos?
the 3rd and 4th have the body and memory could have a link with the soul, which would fall on the theme of life.
and we could put dark and light under the theme of void/death and could even be connected to the lord of dark that Valravn worship.
My best guess is something like:
Authority and Power make Order.
Body and Memory make Structure.
Time and Space make Reality.
Dark and Light make Void.
9th/10th make ???.
Destruction and Creation make Chaos.

Is this what the arbiters refer to? I dunno much about those guys, except that they're apparently above the Apostles.
 

jjtom000

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Doesn't explain how she knows so much about monster lore and where to find them, I guess we'll learn for sure later.
It was hinted that Ella is working with the apostles(3rd and 4th).
In one of the dead end, when MC reveled he got both traits, she will capture MC and offer him to them.
Also that doc of SIN said they have a representative from monster that bring them knowledge, is likely Ella.
Being a fellow chosen and very few who can understand monster languages also help her to have a rapport with other chosen and command lesser monster.

About seeing everything I always thought she just plants bugs in everything she wants as she goes. Also means she has private 5g between her cells, kinda cool. MC should do stuff like that, but he's too stupid to even copy bodies of everything he's touching.
Well Ella is a pure spawn of 3rd, it's established that she is far superior than MC in terms of body control. It will probably take MC much more power or at a higher lv to successfully copy what Ella did effortlessly at the first place.
 

jjtom000

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She's got perfect molecular control of her body, so presumably she can see and evaluate other people down to their molecules as well, makes sense that she can figure out peoples compatibility.
I imagine her being a pure spawn of Body also help her to gain understanding of anatomy that beyond compare and thus can see/understand things about body that other cannot.
 

jexyheir

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Ella is working with the apostles
Yeah, and it's strange cause she's been doing it since before third evolution. Meaning she's probably has something going for her beside powers.

In one of the dead end
In that dead end the thing that kills our apostle is 7th, right? The hand is same as in Valravns flashback. Seems interesting that he can just gobble apostle in one swoop like it's nothing. Also seen after evolution in a dream, which is strange since there was no previous interaction.
 

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There are hints that Ella's ability to see compatibility and other special information about someone, does not come from the trait itself, but from augmenting her eyes through shapeshifting. Similar to how MC can change his eyes to see in the dark, she has changed the anatomy and augmented it with monster features that allow her to perceive far more than a human eye can see.

The main hint is during the Ella vs Gillibrand & Jill & Nico scene.
1) When Gillibrand and Jill announce themselves, Ella has her back turned to them. When she turns around and looks at them, she is surprised how weak they are despite their grand titles.

2) We know Ella has augmented herself, but I think this line is quite telling:
Ella "Heh, I know. You wouldn't believe how much of my eyes and brain I've had to play around with."
 
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I imagine her being a pure spawn of Body also help her to gain understanding of anatomy that beyond compare and thus can see/understand things about body that other cannot.
Maybe however she also put a heavy emphasis on research as shown when the gang was searching for clues in her old school.
 

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I guess 9 and 10 could be Mind and Soul. Eisheth is specifically referred to as having a psychic power, and the best analogue for the mind, if we compare it's diarchy to body/memory, would be the soul.
 

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Got a few questions...
1)Does mc's weaknesses like lightning, fire etc. Disappear with his evolutions?
2) How can anyone even counter timetravel which that captain has... I think the name was zach zakerman right?
3)It seems almost every power has a counter to it.
But the only powers i am failing to find a counter is time travel and ig authority? So what would y'all say is the most versatile power DURING A BATTLE (By battle i mean any kind of battle)
 

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2) How can anyone even counter timetravel which that captain has... I think the name was zach zakerman right?
With absolute power? How can he do anything if the future set in stone? Like he wouldn't be able to do anything no matter what he plans if his enemy could counter or destroy his every plan.
 

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It's theoretically possible that any sufficiently strong superhuman with a monster parent from the 7th's line could screw with powers that allow prescience, including Zaman's. The Darkness trait messes with all superhuman powers, but the intangible ones that are purely supernatural get hit the worst. Clearly they couldn't see the ass whooping that the (heavily implied to be) 7th put on all of Team Kronos coming, nor try to loop out of it to avoid the fight. It's also been shown that those that inherit the power, even in its impure form, are capable to punching well above their weight class. But it's also been shown that, like many other possible story-breaker powers in the game, having sufficient amounts of power mitigates its effects.

It does make me wonder on how exactly Zaman and Halona's powers work though, since they couldn't see it coming. For Zaman at least, I highly suspect his power operates on a mark and return system, so he probably got screwed over because he lost the ability to loop back to before the whole team got manhandled by the avatar of a god. He definitely has something more broken than the main application of his power up his sleeves though, as he did something to save his team from getting massacred as a mere level 4 (albeit an extremely old one) despite getting into an encounter with something that's so absurdly powerful that in-universe it's infamous for killing and eating the avatars of other apostles.
 
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