VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.991] [WeirdWorld]

[Vitklim]

Boy long time we had a debate this heavy. I think the question is not what is human?but what is a person? And is funny to find this here because is a porn game forum XD. That means that this game is that good or that we are weirdos most likely both ;P.

It is definitely both, I am already half-autistic in most things, and good writing and philosophy are my great passions. I can talk about this all day.

 

[Vitklim]

Why must a human continue being a human and take human perspective? In this game you can stray away from it beyond simply gaining superpowers and that is what i am committed to do in my playthrough.

What makes human a human? And what makes cat a cat? There is no need for those questions. They are all filled with meanings and labels hence they mislead you from gaining the truth.

My point was not that meaning is subjective (which i agree with) but that meaning does not exist at all.

Yeah in some objective ultimate sense meaning may not exist, but taking that approach is detrimental to you as a person. You can zero out all meaning and definitions if you want to, but there is no alternative worth pursuing, which means you merely saw off the branch you sit upon.

As for why must you continue being human, that's kind of easy to answer. Because you were born as one, and have the experiences of one. The entire foundation for the mind of any human is their biological and psychological condition which has limitations, desires, etc. And the evolution doesn't change that, all it does is remove some limitations. So a human mind shaped by human desires and wants is now far freer than it is meant to be, cannot get rid of those remaining human features without losing all identity, and can fulfil most remaining wants easily.
That situation will almost inevitably lead to a collapse of one's own identity, deep nihilism, and ultimately, a sad and lonely existence trying to grasp on whatever remains of their humanity, because everything else can't fulfil the yawning void of meaning that humans are meant to fill.

And this is inescapable for any but the monsters because they were never human to begin with (as far as we know), and likely don't have same desires and limitations that forced humans to develop these solutions.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Yeah, the monsters are actually the biggest problem... superhumans are the response to the monster threat after all, unless we get some reliable soldiers to fight against the monster faction it doesn't matter wheter Ella or HERO wins their little feud the monsters will still come for humanity and destroy/consume everything. The future after that will be bleak anyway because the tech to make superhumans already exists and is now public knowledge, also Ella was already changing people underground for quite a while so believing that it's possible to erradicate the superhumans when a serum or a pill is all that takes to make a new one at this point is an exercise in futility.

I think the best scenario we can hope for is that whoever wins in the end at least provide some shelter/protection for the people that didn't want to go superhuman, something in line with that number 1 possibility alkeera mentioned. Even in a chaotic world what the top dog says is law after all, maybe a MC with low corruption and high morality?

Slight correction. Monsters are needed to make superhumans. If there was no monsters at all, superhumans wouldn't exist. The pills Ella uses is a lure for compatible types to come and infect their new spawn. There's 2 known ways to become a superhuman. By being directly infected by the monster(MC, Deryl, Michael, Demi, Valravn) or coming in contact with monster parts and corpses(Tiffany and Alice partially since the Fairy was comatose). Both ways still require for monsters to exist, which is also part of the problem. As long as monsters exist, so will superhumans. Killing all superhumans or letting them reproduce would actually make it easier for monsters to wipe out or convert all of humanity, with what we know currently.

As we learned this update. Humanity as it is would struggle against C Class monsters and a B Rank monster can't be beaten by them at all with A Rank being able to wipe out an entire sector(s).

In case anyone forgot the equivalence for the ranks:

Rank S = Level 5 Superhuman(s) needed
Rank A = Level 4/5 Superhuman(s) needed
Rank B = Level 3 Superhuman(s) needed
Rank C = Level 2 Superhuman needed
Rank D and Below = Level 1 Superhuman needed

So basically, humans would get wiped out by rank C and B monsters, monsters that are only around lvl 2 to 3, if you took away superhumans. They also probably make up the abundant amount of monsters, number wise, so groups of them would fuck up the world. Add a single A rank and that's it, let alone S Rank.

So yeah, limiting superhumans would basically be a extinction lvl decision. It's already hard to reach lvl 3 as a superhuman, let alone 4 and 5. Without any at all, humanity gets destroyed by B Rank monsters and their hordes below. This also doesn't even factor in that the monsters can reproduce with each other and infect other species, including animals(see Valravn). Humanity would be completely screwed and to be frank, there's no real great ending for them in this all.

 

[necromater]

au contraire mon ami, more player agency is always welcome as long as it doesn't cause the game's scope to grow out of control.



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Ok. Just remember to also be a good dad or the brats Will fuck everything XD. Half of the children do Not try to kill if you are a good dad; minus konrad fuck that asshole.

 

[Rutonat]

Hear me, for I must speak true:DrakoGhoul and Rutonat, you shall be remembered as heroes, who walked a path that few dared to tread. I salute thee both for your courage and valor in taking that journey.

I mean come on. Have you seen that monster lady ? You'd be crazy not to want to try.

 

[alkeera]

Yeah in some objective ultimate sense meaning may not exist, but taking that approach is detrimental to you as a person. You can zero out all meaning and definitions if you want to, but there is no alternative worth pursuing, which means you merely saw off the branch you sit upon.

Personality does not exist as well. It is an illusion made by our brain to help one perceive and make sense of the world. And it's dynamic and easily messed with anyway so who cares.

As for why must you continue being human, that's kind of easy to answer. Because you were born as one, and have the experiences of one. The entire foundation for the mind of any human is their biological and psychological condition which has limitations, desires, etc. And the evolution doesn't change that, all it does is remove some limitations. So a human mind shaped by human desires and wants is now far freer than it is meant to be, cannot get rid of those remaining human features without losing all identity, and can fulfil most remaining wants easily.
That situation will almost inevitably lead to a collapse of one's own identity, deep nihilism, and ultimately, a sad and lonely existence trying to grasp on whatever remains of their humanity, because everything else can't fulfil the yawning void of meaning that humans are meant to fill.

It is not human foundation then. Dig deeper. Honestly i don't see much difference between humans and monkeys. Why do i want to stick to that? And as i said i don't think of a mind as a static permanent entity, so i don't care if it's gone or replaced. Happening anyway constantly only slowly and hard to notice immediately. You was an infant once and it's so alien to you now that you don't even remember it. And because we only experienced being humans and being non existent before our birth doesn't mean that there are no alternatives.

And this is inescapable for any but the monsters because they were never human to begin with (as far as we know), and likely don't have same desires and limitations that forced humans to develop these solutions.

And MC probably can become like them with his power. He doesn't even need his human brain to operate as we saw so he is not hard wired anymore. As for IRL i actually agree with everything that you said previously. Here we only have our animal foundation to work with so might as well do just that and see how far we can go or create poper AIs to experiment with.

 

[serenitynow]

This is probably just my bored brain going into overdrive but i had a thought after the most recent character preview.
Could that big titty goth monster actually be mc's mom?
Dad never told him what happened when his mom was murdered and he received that horrific eye injury.
They are unlikely related but it would explain why dad never told him what happened to his mom because he seems to be super connected to goverment agencies plus shady people/organizations but never gave anything but a vague reason why his mom is dead and he has unusual eye injurious.
Who wants to tell their son their beloved wife and mother of his child became a monster.

Not saying his mom caused the attack but was monsterfied as a result of it.
Edit: supper /= super

 

[DrakoGhoul]

To be honest, I always thought the MC's female form was actually how his mom looked. He doesn't overly resemble his dad so I always assumed his female transformation closely or at least partially took after his mom. Funny thing is, I also thought the 4th took on her form when she looked through his memories. She was his new mommy in more ways than one at that point.

As for the preview monster, I thought it was just the reveal of what those busty monsters look like up close. We see them in Ella's hideout, though those look a bit pinkish, from a distance.

 

[vogelbeest]

As for the preview monster, I thought it was just the reveal of what those busty monsters look like up close. We see them in Ella's hideout, though those look a bit pinkish, from a distance.

The pink monster in the background is hardly recognisable to be honest... That preview monster looks more like a new design of the Minyak, it might be a woman infected by a Minyak aswell... But with the bright pink of the "background monster" and the pale almost white skin of the preview monster there's hardly a reason to assume they're the same...

 

[serenitynow]

Honestly I am just thinking there will be a huge twist during the Ella shadow realm fight next update.
My unlikely idea hasn't been mentioned before and I think either it or something else nobody thought of will occur.

 

[vogelbeest]

Honestly I am just thinking there will be a huge twist during the Ella shadow realm fight next update.
My unlikely idea hasn't been mentioned before and I think either it or something else nobody thought of will occur.

Well, if it's predictable it wouldn't be a twist.... So besides expecting a possible twist somewhere in the story, there's only little what people can theorize about, that's pretty much the mechanism a twist works on....

 

[vogelbeest]

Guys I am not sure about the monster classifications. Can someone help?

It's the strengths of the total group of a type of monsters that gets them classified rank D (low) to A (high), so their power level offensive and defensive values.

S class monsters can be exceptionally strong versions of A rank monsters or unique monsters like number 1,2,3,4 etc...
The theory is any exceptionally strong monster can be classified one class higher than his original species class.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to it, the system mostly scales threat level of monsters compared to superhuman power.
The superhumans are mostly ranked by their evolution but even superhumans of the same level can be very different in power level due to the rank of monster that infected them and even their own adaption to the powers. Even their evolutions can have different results, Klaus evolved on a low budget evolution serum, the HERO agents (and Ella) on a grade AAA serum.... MC on a pure and natural evolution during his fight with Klaus... And we see Michael as a human killing Oscar and a Leigong or Alice kicking a 2nd evolution's superhumans ass...

 

[DrakoGhoul]

The pink monster in the background is hardly recognisable to be honest... That preview monster looks more like a new design of the Minyak, it might be a woman infected by a Minyak aswell... But with the bright pink of the "background monster" and the pale almost white skin of the preview monster there's hardly a reason to assume they're the same...

They're recognizable. The reason I thought they could be the preview one is because they looked pale and like they had black hair in the far back. On a closer look, those pinkish monsters are different, correct. Don't know why I never tried to get a closer look at them previously.

I'm glad I was wrong about them being the same monster actually. That means I have 2 busty monsters to hunt now. That's also not even the great part about this. After actually getting a real close look at the pinkish ones, they don't seem to have forearms and have tentacles for hair. That means there's a higher chance they're from Mommy 4th's line, with those characteristics, compared to what I thought previously. As for the new monster in the preview being Minyaks, I doubt that. I don't think it's related to them at all but we shall see in game, when it appears.

 

[Allan Trumbull]

Any info about update?

 

[Decathect]

 

[Mark Macabre]

My biggest worry is that the planned twist, is already explained partially by comments and the dev feels the need to change an already perfect (to some) story.

So far he made a really good world, unique art style and a story that's genuinely engaging.

 

[New Kid]

Something we can't rule out is the possibility of another group or rather, path. If I remember correctly, the MC can express not wanting to be controlled by HERO to his friends, and they agree with him (mostly Alice, I think), but they need to get stronger if they ever have hopes of getting under HERO's thumb.

I'd love to be able to fight against Ella and her goons and HERO via our own path where we ultimately decide our own fate and everyone else's, which it seems like Weird has laid down at least the idea of in the future.

We also have Jared's dad and whatever the heck he has going on with his group (although a lot of whatever he has is from Ella so it's probably all compromised if he ever considered wielding it against her).

I do wonder what the MC would do if they defeated Ella and HERO, lots of possibilities depending on the corruption/morality.

Probably that's the path the story is gonna follow considering everything that happened so far, MC and his superhuman squad against both HERO and Ella for greater justice, while the higher monster threat takes a backseat while this little war happens only to return in full force after the winner has been decided. Unless the dev decide to go multiple routes Devil Survivor style and make a path for HERO, for Ella and for Independent, which I highly doubt. Perhaps in the very end we might have some choice depending on corruption/morality like you mentioned and who is still alive after the final fight.

Yeah Jared's dad is mostly just one more pawn for Ella to use, I don't think he can act on his own without her knowing and allowing him to. She has been manipulating so many people for so long that I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up hijacking Jared's dad group like she did with the prime minister office when she still had Jake under her.

 

[ItzSyther]

Probably that's the path the story is gonna follow considering everything that happened so far, MC and his superhuman squad against both HERO and Ella for greater justice, while the higher monster threat takes a backseat while this little war happens only to return in full force after the winner has been decided. Unless the dev decide to go multiple routes Devil Survivor style and make a path for HERO, for Ella and for Independent, which I highly doubt. Perhaps in the very end we might have some choice depending on corruption/morality like you mentioned and who is still alive after the final fight.

Yeah Jared's dad is mostly just one more pawn for Ella to use, I don't think he can act on his own without her knowing and allowing him to. She has been manipulating so many people for so long that I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up hijacking Jared's dad group like she did with the prime minister office when she still had Jake under her.

I am curious about a certain group in particular who could still play a role despite the fact they got manhandled by Dexter Miliken, the Supreme Minister and those behind him.

I doubt he's just going to let Dexter do whatever he wishes even after seemingly being blackmailed into submission (might be remembering this wrong) and tossing his support beind HERO. Perhaps he'll make another attempt at getting the MC at his side but he's going to need a lot more than just the MC but then again he's the supreme prime minister with a lot of resources at his beck and call although he might just get tied up in a bureaucratic nightmare trying to get said resources.

 

[PerpetuallyAmiss]

My biggest worry is that the planned twist, is already explained partially by comments and the dev feels the need to change an already perfect (to some) story.

So far he made a really good world, unique art style and a story that's genuinely engaging.

Don't know which twist you're referring to but I give WeirdWorld more credit than trying to "beat" their audience. Foreshadowing and internally consistency that let you speculate on what's to come with out being blind sided is the mark of good writing I'd say.

It's common for some dingbats to "subvert expectations" these days in a misguided effort to get one over on the audience as you well know, I think this is exasperated by the scale of online discourse and long form release cycles. If the sixth sense was released in 6 episodes over a 3 month period by the time the reveal came there wouldn't be a person who was following it online who hadn't already seen seen a community dissertation of all the hints given.

 

[Lautheron]

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