Yep. There's also the fact that the sky gets darker as the 7th arrived, in both scenes. When the MC and Ella arrived where the 4th appeared and after Val gets shot out the sky with the arrow. Yes, Ella can make the sky darker as well but that was via her changing the clouds with her power. It seems that the 7th just appearing causes that to the surroundings.Oh, we're talking about this dead end again.
With the clawed monster. The one that crushes and devours an Apostle.
The Lord of Dark. God Slayer. Apostle Devourer.
May his darkness blacken our skies and deliver us from the terror of the gods.
Glory to the eternal night.
Alright, now that's out of the way.
The clawed monster. We see it twice.
Once, here, in the dead end. We see it in full.
The other time, more subtly, we see it in Valravn's flashback.
It rescues him, and infects him.
It is his Lord. The Lord of Dark.
And the Lord of Dark is the Seventh Apostle.
Now, evidence!
Here, in Valravn's flashback, the claw the rescues him, resurrects him, infects him.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Now! The same claw.
Crushing the 4th's avatar.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Of course, many don't accept this evidence on its own.
So now I'll prove that both of these are the Lord of Dark.
Valravn's is easy.
One line from his monster report.
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The Lord of Dark is definitely the one that resurrected and infected him.
Now, to prove that the monster in the Dead End is the Lord of Dark.
From Aglaecwif.
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And from the dead end-
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The Lord of Dark, devouring the remains of the Fourth Apostle's avatar.
"Okay, maybe it is the Lord of Dark, but that doesn't prove it's an Apostle!"
Fair. So let's look at Valravn's monster report again.
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First generation spawn of the 7th. Whose powers are shadows and darkness.
Rather hard to be first-generation Apostle-spawn when your progenitor isn't an Apostle.
There are other angles you could take to explain this, maybe.
Perhaps the Lord of Dark has wholly devoured the 7th Apostle's true body, and has taken its place.
But until we have anything to corroborate such theories, the evidence implies that the 7th and the Lord of Dark are the same.
And while I'm at it-
Apostle powers are very conceptual rather than scientific.
So far, each Apostle pair has been thematically linked.
Authority and Power.
Body and Memory.
Dark and Light works.
Dark and Time? I don't see it.
To be frank, it doesn't matter anymore now that we crossed the threshold. I believe it was the 3rd Level where our power passively improves constantly or maybe it was the cap being removed? I could be confusing the 4th or 5th Level, where you basically don't have to do anything at all, it'll just keep increasing over time.I don't think it ever worked in the first place which is why I pointed out how dumb it was for an ENTIRE training time/afternoon was wasted by trying to do what your abilities could ALWAYS do. You could even take it a set further and not even have to worry about stamina, as your true energy now seems to come from overexertion of said power, hence at later levels you don't even need to drink or sleep. I mean fuck even people with NON transformational powers like Jake get taller, more fit, etc just from obtaining the powers let alone evolving.
While he may not have known those details at the time, it doesn't matter. He knows he's a shapeshifter, end of discussion, that should've been his first clue that shit like "working out" is pointless.
Sorry if I came off a bit rude. Was just trying to inject some humor into it. Also some people fought me on the claw thing before because they had their own pet theories, so I preempted that this time.I've seen the Claw, thought Valravn was the 7th's Spawn and yeah the connection to the Lord of Dark seemed fairly obvious.
Figured the reason the 9th and 10th's descendants followed the God-Killer and Apostle-Devourer was because he killed and / or ate the 9th and 10th. I wondered if either of them were Light. Not much to support that. Best I had was that Leigong can transmute into his element a little like Tiffany can and that he has some descent from the 10th. That was shaky at best.
I figured the "Lord of Dark" wasn't what he was called as an Apostle. It doesn't fit "The ???" pattern. I assumed Void was his domain as in nothingness or non-existence and that was how the 4th's regeneration was negated. Void or the Absence of something combined with Time would've made "Timelessness" or Eternity. It's not far from that to "Eternal Night."
My thinking was that the Monster in Dead End 3 was related to the 7th's bride. An attempt to revive or replace. In my defence on the Claw-front, it's not like monsters infect other beings with their genes to reproduce or even clone themselves entirely and the previous sighting was almost a thousand years ago.
I didn't have any proof though and I don't have the Monster Report.
The thing about how long an Apostle can manifest, why it was watching the MC and why it appears in a dream still feel like valid questions.
Yup same dumb. Think blue emo wig think stop being so worryfree. You are a magnet for cunts and pricks of any kind. The last option with the origin about what he fights for was funny but is evidence of his lazy ass. Like the eye breaks the 4 wall out of spiteI have this question all the fucking time but probably not the same dumb you're thinking of. I hate the MC's dumb motivational values. Meaning why he needs Ella to literally force himself into situations in order to grow instead of just trying to do it from the get go. I do understand why this is the case from a narrative perspective though, as it makes his character this lovable balance of looseness, no real moral compass, and allows you as a player to shape him however you want. I just wish training wasn't this second nature thing so much that the MC is shocked how he keeps almost falling behind people like Alice, Michael, or even Deryl. Instead once he acknowledges that gap in dedication, he goes to a beach retreat, or class for a few hours, or tries push ups, runs (as if it wasn't BLATANTLY obvious physical training does mean shit given his power).
It's alright. It was a little passive aggressive but I wanted to see more of Valravn's Monster Report and that more than makes up for it. I've searched the thread and it's mostly people asking in vain.Sorry if I came off a bit rude. Was just trying to inject some humor into it. Also some people fought me on the claw thing before because they had their own pet theories, so I preempted that this time.
Notably, "The Lord of Dark" isn't actually its name. Valravn doesn't even know its actual name.
I like "The Void", but I don't think that's it.
Allow me to leak a little more from the report, then.
Just to provide a little bit of potentially useful information. Especially since Valravn's power, being pure spawn of the Lord of Dark, should mostly fall within the portfolio of his Lord's own powers.
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"We already knew that." Well yes, we did. But it's nice to have it spelled out sometimes. Preempts arguments over details.
Curiously though, somehow this portfolio extends a little beyond just darkness.
Valravn's main attack is referenced here as Dark Matter.
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That's... not something we would assume the power of Darkness contained until we were told, I think.
It also doesn't fit Absence. Void is a stretch, but not entirely out. Really only feels connected by "Dark."
Which is also a stretch given dark matter only has that name because we can't detect it properly.
And don't ask me how he's killing you with dark matter, that's a question for WW.
His transformation power, to make his armor and weaponry, is referenced as thus-
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Again, leans real hard into the darkness angle, this time shadows.
And I don't think it fits the power of Void or Absence.
But it does fit Dark. Vaguely. Like most of these things.
It does however leave the important question of how it negated the 4th's regeneration.
Valravn's power negation is described thus-
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But he can't block our regeneration. Besides, it's a more "tangible", "material" ability.
And you would think, that even if it is her secondary power, The 4th would have better regeneration than a level 2 MC.
Perhaps the intangible power it is blocking is the Avatar's connection to the Apostle.
That would explain why it did not regenerate quite well. And also why it killed with a claw.
Necessity of proximity to negate the connection.
And also the questions that you pointed out-
How long can it manifest? A good question. Is it even in the monster realm? It has made many enemies there. Maybe it is here in full. After all, "seven through twelve have already..." But I've no evidence for that. No idea, really.
Why was it watching MC? Maybe it was watching Ella. After all, she interacts with Apostles with some frequency. And it has an interest in taking what they leave behind.
Why does it appear in a dream? The dreams we experience are mostly given to use by the Eye, the nameless origin.
Sometimes, maybe by our Apostle.
A warning, perhaps?
Oh come on mister magnetosphere. You are worse than me. My argument was "air goes boom".Semantic control over shadows is very interesting and yeah very conceptual. FYI, I was not the one arguing against the conceptual stuff. It's Gtdead who wants a scientific basis. I'm fine either way as long as it's consistent.
Don't know. Maybe Aliens ? XD. Energy based lifeforms? Supercells? Extraplanar beings? Eldritch cunts? Old gods? All of them at the same time in a perpetual war for conquest of new universes ?Oh come on mister magnetosphere. You are worse than me. My argument was "air goes boom".
But what can I say, I'm curious and there are breadcrumbs everywhere.
Anyway, a primer on our future discussions:
Scientific stuff:
Dark Matter
Light Absorbsion
Vacuum / Lack of medium / Cold
Blackbody Radiation (wtf?)
Conceptual stuff:
Infinite dark expanse.
Sleep / Dreams
Negative emotions
Absence of vision and knowledge.
Nothing
And what the fuck is going on with these shadow tendrils? I need answers.
Oh yeah, my "glowy spheres do planet stuff" theory was super hard science! I'm happy trying to figure out if there is a scientific basis to an ability, but it wasn't me asking if superhumans could really break the laws of the universe, was it? Why did I have to watch "Oh come on mister magnetosphere. You are worse than me. My argument was "air goes boom".
But what can I say, I'm curious and there are breadcrumbs everywhere.
Anyway, a primer on our future discussions:
Scientific stuff:
Dark Matter
Light Absorbsion
Vacuum / Lack of medium / Cold
Blackbody Radiation (wtf?)
Conceptual stuff:
Infinite dark expanse.
Sleep / Dreams
Negative emotions
Absence of vision and knowledge.
Nothing
And what the fuck is going on with these shadow tendrils? I need answers.
We are both innocent then ^_^Oh yeah, my "glowy spheres do planet stuff" theory was super hard science! I'm happy trying to figure out if there is a scientific basis to an ability, but it wasn't me asking if superhumans could really break the laws of the universe, was it? Why did I have to watch "You must be registered to see the links" again? Because you were caught between accepting Alice had magnetic abilities or gravity directly repelling something. Fun while it lasted...
Causality will come up at some point.
Tendrils aren't the only weird part. The MC's Level 3 Heavy Armour used memories obtained from Valravn after his miasma was exhausted. If Valravn's weapons and armour are made from shadows...?
If he had said "from Valravn", I wouldn't even consider it, but many things could happen while "fighting Valravn". However I'm not going to put much stock to this theory, at least for now. I have a couple others but I want to cross reference with the Scythe and see what I will come up with.You "Then I have my heavy armor, which seems to be constructed based on the memories I obtained fighting Valravn, after I wore down his miasma."
If Ella's shapeshifting power can be used to warp reality around her, without any sort of gravitational ability, then I don't see why the MC can't shapeshift shadows around him.Oh yeah, my "glowy spheres do planet stuff" theory was super hard science! I'm happy trying to figure out if there is a scientific basis to an ability, but it wasn't me asking if superhumans could really break the laws of the universe, was it? Why did I have to watch "You must be registered to see the links" again? Because you were caught between accepting Alice had magnetic abilities or gravity directly repelling something. Fun while it lasted...
Causality will come up at some point.
Tendrils aren't the only weird part. The MC's Level 3 Heavy Armour used memories obtained from Valravn after his miasma was exhausted. If Valravn's weapons and armour are made from shadows...?
Ella's aura is an interesting phenomenon. The way it's narrated, it sounds to me like terraforming along with an extended application of her "frozen form" ability. It's easily explained through her powers without any gravitational or magnetic effect. She acts on her surroudings but she doesn't seem to be the focus of the effect. For example, the stone cracks and warps. It's not pulled or moved.If Ella's shapeshifting power can be used to warp reality around her, without any sort of gravitational ability, then I don't see why the MC can't shapeshift shadows around him.
The more interesting part is that the MC can do it at level 3.
MC also has an aura but it doesn't seem to have any interesting effect. Shapeshifting shadows wouldn't make much sense to me because it's not matter. Are you referring to his armor or some other effect? Perhaps I missed something."Earth and stone crack and warp as Ella's aura spreads. She makes no specific action; it's almost as though just being in her immediate proximity is enough to transform the environment."
"Jake scrambles back, crawling across the ground, his legs unresponsive, his body melting and warping with the ground beneath him."
"The metal interior, the deathly sharp spikes, warp and bend the closer they come to Ella's form, molding around her as the doors close shut, but never touching her."
I'm replying that if shapeshifting can change reality around Ella, can warp the ground and Jake's body, then the MC using shapeshifting to warp and solidify shadow into a facsimile of solid matter doesn't seem so strange.Ella's aura is an interesting phenomenon. The way it's narrated, it sounds to me like terraforming along with an extended application of her "frozen form" ability. It's easily explained through her powers without any gravitational or magnetic effect. She acts on her surroudings but she doesn't seem to be the focus of the effect. For example, the stone cracks and warps. It's not pulled or moved.
MC also has an aura but it doesn't seem to have any interesting effect. Shapeshifting shadows wouldn't make much sense to me because it's not matter. Are you referring to his armor or some other effect? Perhaps I missed something.
As far as I'm aware nope. NTR Liz only.is there any ntr for Alice? cause from seen mad others speaking too her and shit
Obviously Alice's dad. Bro is fuckin noiceeeee.just noticed the game had the DILF tag. And I agree, there are many dads I'd like to fuck, but I wonder who Weird had in mind for that. Like, I know who he was thinking of for Trap, and Futa...But who's the DILF? Malik? Bernhard?
For the shadow thing I don't think that it's possible for MC to even interact with shadows, since I think that Ella's aura can be explained very well through her abilities.I'm replying that if shapeshifting can change reality around Ella, can warp the ground and Jake's body, then the MC using shapeshifting to warp and solidify shadow into a facsimile of solid matter doesn't seem so strange.
Ella and the MC's power doesn't really seem to follow physical laws very well. Even being able to grow creates matter out of nothing, and shrinking destroys matter, but without actually annihilating it or converting it to energy.
It can't just be the MC converting power to energy and energy to matter, because he would reclaim some of that energy when shrinking, but it also costs him power to shrink smaller than his normal size.