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Hope tomorrow is update, busty momma has been waiting a long time at the door.. it's past new year already.. she must be hAngry
I guess that the MC didn't fight more agressively because the moon brother's power was too dangerous for him like eletricity, as the sister was pretty much a pushover and was just mostly just providing support, though she can tank a lot of hits because of her creation ability so I doubt even if the MC focused on her he could finish her off before the brother or Shen intervened. If he was alone I doubt the MC would have any trouble fleeing the scene, but he had to protect the girls and Deryl so his best bet would be to stall for time and hope the other HERO guys finished their job of capturing the pink monster and came to help (or the HQ sent Nico to help, who knows if Zack or Deus are watching).At this point we are treading in a bit of unknown territory. MC had too much trouble versus the Twins. Yes Devana can't really do much to him, but Evander can and a level 2 shouldn't have such an easy time going against a level 3.
I have talked about how this scene leaves me with a very bad aftertaste. A murderous (as stated) MC should have already killed Devana with a stray tail and slapped Evander with half the forest by the end, but instead he was on the defensive till Shen got bored and decided to end it without any hint at resistance on MC's part.
So while I think that the Moon twins are beneath him, they will end up being the next roadblock, especially if they evolve. After all, there exist indications that they tend to grow much faster than other Superhumans. Of course MC also has an exceptional growth so we can't yet tell how they compare,
On the other hand, it doesn't feel like the Moon twins are supposed to be Antagonists, at least not by default.
These are my most anticipated scenarios:
1) A huge MC + Foxglove Twins vs Shen + Moon Twins fight.
I really like the Foxglove sisters and I want them to take a more active role. One of the problems however is that time doesn't wait for anyone and a brand new level 1 can't really compete without some form of timelapse. The idea that Twins somehow grow faster than usual however, could be the key to let them be relevant.
Such a fight that ends up in MC's favor will be huge. It will show that MC is superior as both a Superhuman and as a trainer, and set the Foxglove twins as useful allies rather than some newbies who still need to find their footing.
2) Foxglove Twins getting merged into a Superbeing, permanent or not.
The Fusion scenario was one of the first wild theories since we got confirmation that this is the "Twins Arc". It's also a cool way to avoid the time problem. It will be a new and exciting variable, with the potential to be formidable without going through the usual steps.
The Foxgove twins are shown are being the exact opposite. One is haphazard and extremely talented, the other is extremely dilligent but an underachiever in comparison. One is cold the other is hot etc.
And I think that this is why the fusion theory is so exciting. Because they have the potential to complete each other.
3) Solo MC vs multiple Ella kids.
This will require some setup, but MC should have started getting frustrated at this point. While his personal growth is well on it's tracks, he has very limited control over what is happening around him.
So at this point I think that a "Jean-Claude Van'Damme getting angry and owning shit" moment will work wonders to set the tone for the things to come. MC is supposed to become the best but his victories are always by the skin of his teeth and he didn't really have a chance to showcase "dominance" up to this point.
For the Devana bit, I'll put it this way.I guess that the MC didn't fight more agressively because the moon brother's power was too dangerous for him like eletricity, as the sister was pretty much a pushover and was just mostly just providing support, though she can tank a lot of hits because of her creation ability so I doubt even if the MC focused on her he could finish her off before the brother or Shen intervened. If he was alone I doubt the MC would have any trouble fleeing the scene, but he had to protect the girls and Deryl so his best bet would be to stall for time and hope the other HERO guys finished their job of capturing the pink monster and came to help (or the HQ sent Nico to help, who knows if Zack or Deus are watching).
1. There is not a single case happening in the story thus far. (although there is one hypothetical case mentioned. that of the level 5 fire guy burning away all of earth)Actually, it kinda does, not everytime, but it's there.
===Also, destroying the planet is entirely on the table.
But is prevented by the higher ups which include time travellers, precogs, and masters of space (which include pocket dimensions, banishment, etc).
One of the top aces is a teleporter girl, who is fighting the mutated ring thing.
During their fight you are bleeding out between different alt dimensions and eventually a pocket world is destroyed.
And she can teleport you into deep space if you become too much trouble.
If a fight looks like it will crack the earth then they will teleport that monster to a black hole instead.
You are forgetting magical pressure, soul pressure, aura pressure.There's also different kinds of phenomena that can be explained by just "pressure". Was it atmospheric pressure (as the weight of atmosphere?), surface pressure (as generally applying force over a certain area), liquid pressure etc ? It's all pressure, but it tells us something about the mechanics. We can assume that it was atmospheric because that's what his powers seem to be about.
There is, the one I referenced and more. Bernhardt uses magic, and this magic causes atmospheric pressure to change by some mechanisms that we don't know and have no reason to care. Just like Malik's magic creates heat, Nico's creates wormholes (probably, not sure about this one), Alice's messes with Gravity and Dark Energy, MC's generates and alters mass, etc.1. There is not a single case happening in the story thus far. (although there is one hypothetical case mentioned. that of the level 5 fire guy burning away all of earth)
2. I literally addressed the hypothetical possibility at that some point some super will do so a few lines below what you quoted me saying
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You are forgetting magical pressure, soul pressure, aura pressure.
Clark "Xanthe said it was some variation of photo.... photobiomodulation, or something like that. Apparently, it's a real thing even without all the supernatural bullshit, though obviously what we do is a little more out there."
You have failed to produce a single example of someone converting their magic into purely non magical energy.There is, the one I referenced and more. Bernhardt uses magic, and this magic causes atmospheric pressure to change by some mechanisms that we don't know and have no reason to care. Just like Malik's magic creates heat, Nico's creates wormholes (probably, not sure about this one), Alice's messes with Gravity and Dark Energy, MC's generates and alters mass, etc.
No, this is not at all equivalent. Level 5 powers are explicitly varied, exotic, and enter the realms of the conceptual.I'm not "forgetting" these "magic pressure" ideas. I'm outright ignoring them. That's like proposing that Malik doesn't create fire, he creates magical energy that walks, talks and looks like fire. No, it's fire, created by magical means, and there is absolutely not a single reason to assume that it's otherwise. He gets to attack Ella with a burst of heat (Core Heat), or a flame (Ceaselessly Burning Flame). And the result is that Ella either atches flame or turns into ash, exactly the effect that we expected when fire interacts with a human body, pretty much proving that Ella's body composition, is clause to a normal human's, despite her being a shapeshifter.
I never said it is "a blob of magic that vaguely looks like fire".How about trying to put these ideas in less abstract concepts? It's not muscle, it's a magical blob that looks like muscle, so MC doesn't punch, he uses magic to make some abstract thing that punches his enemies.
It's not electricity, it's some magic that somehow interacts with a superconductor in a special way and it leaves electric burns.
And while they don't use magic to "generate" the mundane energy, their magic creates effects that can be both conceptualized and measured in mundane ways.
Edit: Even Clark, who can empower a superhuman and make him stronger, says that his power is based on a real concept, called photobiomodulation. Why would the writer go in such lengths if he didn't want to introduce actual scientific concepts in the game.
Are you sure you are responding to what I write? For someone who claims that I misrepresent his point and paint him something, you seem to have some comprehension issue or have confused me with someone else.You have failed to produce a single example of someone converting their magic into purely non magical energy.
A. You are assuming that when he said "a little pressure" he was euhpemistically lying and meant a metric fuckton of pressure. Specifically you assume he meant "I completely removed all magic from it, converting it solely into a non magical physical force with more energy than 100 nukes going off together". Yet even though he was not speaking clearly, he must have meant the most literal definition of the word pressure. which you falsely insist can only mean one thing (more on that below)
And intentionally ignoring how bernhardt can physically transform his body into wind and then teleport across the world at near light speed. Somehow non magical wind clearly can not do. You attrbiute this to a failure of the author to understand the physics that govern wind. The author knows damn well that ordinary wind cannot think like a person and cannot move at near light speed.
The fact that you need better articulation than what I've written on Nico and Alice just shows your bias. You think it's some kind of "aha" moment but it's not. My argument is that magical powers can create mundane effects. I don't need to explain how Nico may expend power to fold dimensions, or how Alice switches between repulsive and attractive forces.B. You cannot even articulate exactly what nico and alice's powers do. Yet insist it somehow must be converting magic into purely non magical energies or matter.
C. You are ignoring the part where I explicitly stated that Berhard, Nico, and Malik are explicitly potential planet busters. Nico literally destroyed a demiplane.
This doesn't answer anything I've talked about. Even if magic is the method by which MC affects mass, the materials he creates are common. Once he reached level 3 he could create monster materials too, but his bones are diamond, not magic diamond.D. The MC mass is absolutely 100% still magical. Which is why it starts evaporating when seperated from his body.
So you say, I'm still waiting for your proof that any effect, unless explicitly stated or can't be mapped to a real life concept, is inherently magical. No matter if you think that it's absurd, the game does not support this notion.No, this is not at all equivalent. Level 5 powers are explicitly varied, exotic, and enter the realms of the conceptual.
Your insistence that someone who started with the power of fire at level 1, can literally do nothing BUT completely ordinary non magical fire at level 5 is absurd
I mean, we can have a discussion about philology, no problem, but you do understand that 2 out of your 3 examples are actually wrong do you? How one goes about applying fire and wind? You apply heat, force, pressure, the things that by definition have an effect. Fire and Wind do not have an effect, they are just things. No one ever said that "we apply fire to cook the steak". We say "we apply heat to cook the stake". Are you going to argue that heat in this context can ever be "soul heat"?Also, the term pressure has many varied meanings. Fire not so much.
If someone said "I applied a little fire to the enemy" it has very specific meaning.
If someone said "I applied a little pressure to the enemy" the meaning is not as clear due to the many ways to interpret that word.
He could have said "I applied a little wind to the enemy". wind has a very specific and clear meaning, unlike pressure.
I'm arguing that magic is capable of creating both magical effects and non magical effects, and the particular non magical effects are exactly the same as any mundane effect we can find in the real world. For example Malik's "Ceaselessly Burning Flame" is a hybrid, because no flame lasts forever without fuel, but Malik's magic can sustain it indefinitely. The flame however is exactly the same as the one you may find on a candle or through some other mundane mechanism.I never said it is "a blob of magic that vaguely looks like fire".
It is [magical fire]. Comprised of both magic AND fire. The two are intertwined.
You are the one who is arguing for purely 100% non magical effects.
Don't put words in my mouth painting me as your polar opposite. I am not.
I am arguing for a hybrid effect.
It is magical fire. Not pure magic, not pure physics.
It is magical muscles on MC. Not pure biology, not pure magic.
If MC was creating purely biological constructs. Then why does his arm evaporate when detached from his body? It was explicitly mentioned to be related to the magical energy in his flesh.
So... you literally saw me replying toMy argument is that magical powers can create mundane effects.
Wrong.Once he reached level 3 he could create monster materials too, but his bones are diamond, not magic diamond.
You misread yet again.And I'm not ignoring anything about planet busters. I was the first who tried to explain that planet busting is normal for level 5 Superhumans in this discussion, and there is no need for "magic" to destroy a planet, so that's not an argument which helps your case.
And I am telling you that the fire can be as mundane as it gets, and the magic can be used to power various effects, like burning without a power source, intensity etc.So... you literally saw me replying to
>> Author does not understand physics. X Should do Y
with
> me: It is magical X. not mundane X
and decided to tell me I am wrong and that... magical powers can create mundane effects?
you should read more carefully.
I never argued that magic cannot do anything mundane.
I argued that when someone uses magic to create fire, they are creating magical fire that can do things normal fire cannot.
MC doesn't think as a liquid, In fact if you choose to think as a liquid you get a deadend scene. MC commands his power to do something and it just happens. If he tries to think he dies.Which is how you can have MC think as a liquid, tiffany think as a living light beam, berhardt think as a gust of wind, and (probably) malik think as a fire.
No, they create mundane effects and need a good reason to make them magical. The more advanced the superhuman, the more likely that the effects he creates are magical, but the core mechanisms are the simple ones, not the convoluted.As for intentionally TRYING to create a purely mundane fire that is constrained by the laws of physics?
they probably can do it. With varying degree of difficulty depending on the individual.
But need a good reason to even make the attempt.
MC learns to make Iron by rearranging molecules, it's explained in one of the training events with Ella and discussions with Xanthe.Wrong.
MC's body is explicitly infused with magical energy throughout. As is every other superhuman.
This is why MC's bones evaporate when seperated from his main mass.
This is why electricity causes him to explode.
Real diamond does not evaporate in room temperature.
Real diamond does not EXPLODE when touched by electricity.
In fact it is explicitly a thing with MC making metal parts that, once chopped off, he has only a fraction of a second to grab and reconnect to if he wants to save it. He succeeds some times and fails others. causing him to lose mass.
Also this line of claim explicitly contradicts your earlier claim that your entire argument is that magic can create mundane effects.
When MC creates a mundane effect is when he modifies someone else's body. Even then there is explicitly energy in their body.
Remember when you transform that boy in the prison into a girl. It is explicitly mentioned how her new virginity melts away due to remnants of your power.
You are quite a special case when it's so easy to call "wrong" while speculating and taking stuff in extreme isolation. Ella's Doll already explains much of the mechanics. Instead of speculating without basis and lazily making stuff up, I'd urge you to read the script and try to make connections between what you see and what the game tells you. Your references to the various tidbits of information are either imprecise or outright wrong.And when you experiment on prisoners, the energy goes out of control very easily once separated from your body. Requiring you to use very small amounts of energy with extreme control.
How exactly this stuff has ANYTHING to do with me? What do I care if someone made whatever arguments? Did I make any relevant argument? Even if I somehow misread, why should I even engage on an argument that has nothing to do with me?You misread yet again.
I replied to different arguments someone made.
Argument A: He incorrectly assumed that all attacks by a superhuman must convert magic into 100% non magical effects.
Argument B: He incorrectly assumed that the reason the earth was not blown up yet is because nobody exists with the power to bust planets. Which he argues is in conflict with "that mountain monster was more durable than X"
My counter argument for B was "planet busters DO exist. the reason the earth does not get blown up is due to its protects having space and time powers that ensure its safety."
You are falsely attributing my counter to argument B as if it was a counter to argument A. and thus thinking it is my argument for as to why "all attacks are magic"
MC's "iron" explicitly evaporates when disconnected from his body and explodes when touched by electricity.MC learns to make Iron by rearranging molecules, it's explained in one of the training events with Ella and discussions with Xanthe.
Well, your posts are getting predictable at this point.Furthermore, you are trying to correct me on things I never said.
I explicitly hypothesized early on that it might be possible to create purely mundane creations.
But there is rarely a reason to do so.
And by default they make "magic X". therefore the assertion that "X must conform to known physics" is wrong as it ignores the magic part.
Yet you have been trying to twist the above into me saying "it is impossible for them to create mundane stuff".
Look, if you are going to make a discussion based on physics, do your homework. Different fuels create flame with different temperatures and Malik provides the fuel which I already said it's magical, There is not a speck of inconsistency in my post, but you do you.Fire that burns without a source is NOT mundane fire. That is magic, it literally breaks physics.
Fire that burns with intensity greater than it should based on physics is NOT mundane fire.
Your argument is literally self contradicting.
Certainly, like you read the bit about "evaporation", like you read the bit about your "aura/soul/magic pressure" ideas. And the funniest part is that you accuse me of ignoring the facts when I literally use the script to counter your arguments, and instead of attempting to prove me wrong, you claim that you "read far more".You are accusing me of what you are doing.
I clearly read far more than you did consider how you are ignoring every fact in the game that is inconvenient to your imagination.
Are you talking about the "kamehame" post that I quoted? Where in that post does it mention planet busters?You quoted it (alongside with another argument) when you first told me I am wrong.
Later, you misinterpreted it as being a response to the magic argument
You said:because nowhere in the story does it say that they are tossing kamehamehas with more than 100 nukes worth of explosion
Game said:"Even to an ordinary mountain, a nuclear bomb would do precious little, you'd have to launch hundreds."
Bernhard "Very well. A little pressure should do it." | Bernhardt "Just applied a little pressure, that is all."
You said:You have failed to produce a single example of someone converting their magic into purely non magical energy.
C. You are ignoring the part where I explicitly stated that Berhard, Nico, and Malik are explicitly potential planet busters. Nico literally destroyed a demiplane.
I don't see how I misrepresented it (basically I don't even see how I quoted it in the first place, but whatever). In fact not only that didn't happen, but I stayed polite despite your tone.Me said:I was the first who tried to explain that planet busting is normal for level 5 Superhumans in this discussion, and there is no need for "magic" to destroy a planet, so that's not an argument which helps your case.
Watch closely kids. On the posts before mine, you can see the effects of a near update on the members of the thread. On one side you have GT, who is already used to the anticipation; that's why his mind can't be affected and he is fully lucid on the other side... I will refrain from commenting since I don't want to repeat the accident from two days ago. Now what does all of this mean? You may be asking well, the truth is, I don't know. The only thing I know is...
WE NEED THIS UPDATE RIGHT FUCKING NOW! WW LOOK WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO US
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New Claudia really helped. I'll concede all of my points in an instant if it somehow increases her scenes!Watch closely kids. On the posts before mine, you can see the effects of a near update on the members of the thread. On one side you have GT, who is already used to the anticipation; that's why his mind can't be affected and he is fully lucid on the other side... I will refrain from commenting since I don't want to repeat the accident from two days ago. Now what does all of this mean? You may be asking well, the truth is, I don't know. The only thing I know is...
WE NEED THIS UPDATE RIGHT FUCKING NOW! WW LOOK WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO US
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We are almost there brother, and i'm sure she will be getting much more scenes now that she is a supes tooNew Claudia really helped. I'll concede all of my points in an instant if it somehow increases her scenes!