VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[KingWeWuz]

The reason I hated him is he took two of the love interests and mind controlled them to strip, then condescendingly dismissed me.

Dude went on a powertrip.

 

[Deleted member 2553135]

Does he sexually assault them?
I thought he just got them to walk around topless.
Not a troll question, if he did I totally forgot.

While he never touches/gropes them (from what I remember), he does force them to strip (topless) like you said, which would fall under sexual assault (forcing someone to do a sexual act without consent; in this case, stripping would count as an sexual act in my opinion).
Some may not consider sexual assault, but majority here probably do.

 

[GaRbS]

You try to wise him up and point out things you didn't do and he refuses to believe you,
When you tell him is it Ella? Can switch her appearance, he admits to knowing she can do this but refuses to believe you.

In my playthrough he did believe me about that.

Attacked 2 others and hospitalized them, to make matters worse he justifies it to himself.

He's given power like our M.C. where he could do good.
Chooses though to screw people over, time and time again.
Whats worse is he always justifies his manipulation even when you call him on it.

He's not choosing to do this tho, he's being forced by Ella because otherwise she will kill him, as she has threatened to do before.

 

[Abbathor]

Does he sexually assault them?
I thought he just got them to walk around topless.
Not a troll question, if he did I totally forgot.

Sexual assault itself is deemed to be any form of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the victims express consent. If someone is forcing you to strip naked for their own gratification, this could easily be deemed as assault. I cant believe I am on a forum for porn games talking about the definition of sexual assault. I cant remember if he ever goes farther than forcing people to strip for him off hand, kinda tempted to make a new runthrough the game to check if he ever goes farther. I do know has has his puppet Jared get him some of the "easy" girls during a party.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Sexual assault itself is deemed to be any form of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the victims express consent. If someone is forcing you to strip naked for their own gratification, this could easily be deemed as assault. I cant believe I am on a forum for porn games talking about the definition of sexual assault. I cant remember if he ever goes farther than forcing people to strip for him off hand, kinda tempted to make a new runthrough the game to check if he ever goes farther. I do know has has his puppet Jared get him some of the "easy" girls during a party.

He does with Jess. He gropes her and says he's going to do her in front of Jared(I don't remember the dialogue well there) a bit after the first time with the twins.

 

[Deleted member 2553135]

In my playthrough he did believe me about that.

He never actually says he believes you about Ella (unless I missed a line somewhere). At best, he says he does not care if it was you or her.

 

[GaRbS]

As for Ella, if she was now a dude, it would simply go from wanting to conquer her to him being my main rival. I'd still blame everything on Female Jake. I have no sympathy for someone who has the chance to make different choices(freely, I might add) but still tries to mess with their own group. Even Ella didn't drag her bestfriends into her Monster stuff(at least at the moment).

What choices would you rather Jake make? Because if he refuses Ella's orders she just kills him. If he tries to get MC's help Ella just kills them both.

 

[Blaisdale]

In my playthrough he did believe me about that.
He's not choosing to do this tho, he's being forced by Ella because otherwise she will kill him, as she has threatened to do before.

He could go to the M.C. and seek help.
Hes not even accepting that as an option.
Ella doesn't seem to be seeking him out that much.
However ironically hes doing everything to be around her.

Ella also seems to give up easy on people which we can see from our own choices.
So there is the option for him to stand up for himself and seek out help.
Our M.C. might not help him get stronger like she can but its an option.

I don't think Ella can control people like he can.
So I don't think its a stretch to see him as more of a simp than being mind controlled.
Manipulated yes but hes had opportunity to think for himself.
He just doesn't.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

What choices would you rather Jake make? Because if he refuses Ella's orders she just kills him. If he tries to get MC's help Ella just kills them both.

That's the thing though, he didn't have to listen to her. She said she would kill him as a way to intimidate him because Jake is scary as hell. That part was only ever to motivate him to use his power and stop being a crybaby. She most likely would have ignored him. And no, she wouldn't have killed the MC. At most, she would've just killed Jake as she really doesn't care about him at all.

Let me make it clear right here. I don't care at all about Jake's situation from his pov. I don't care that you think it's justified from his side(it's not by the way). I'm the MC, not Jake. What he should've did or what he couldn't help but do is all on his own incompetence. He did a lot stuff Ella didn't tell him to and blames it on the MC "doing it too" to justify his actions.

 

[Deleted member 2553135]

He did a lot stuff Ella didn't tell him to

Just to add on some stuff. Unless I am not remembering things, I believe most of the stuff people dislike about Jake was Jake's own choices (Ella never told him to do it). Attacking Mia, trying to make MC's BF try to kill himself, and sexually assaulting the girls Jake chose to do himself.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Just to add on some stuff. Unless I am not remembering things, I believe most of the stuff people dislike about Jake was Jake's own choices (Ella never told him to do it). Attacking Mia, trying to make MC's BF try to kill himself, and sexually assaulting the girls Jake chose to do himself.

Essentially. Ella was only motivating him to train his power and to do her bidding, which he could've declined. She told him easily verifiable stuff and he just decided to believe it without actually trying to find out from all of the MC's friends.

Even his excuse of the MC "doing it too" is flawed. He saw that the MC has all those friends based off of his(MC) own personality but he let his jealousy and inferiority complex rule him and just decided that he must be doing it too with his powers.

 

[ScholarOfTheFirstSin]

He could go to the M.C. and seek help.
Hes not even accepting that as an option.
Ella doesn't seem to be seeking him out that much.
However ironically hes doing everything to be around her.

Ella also seems to give up easy on people which we can see from our own choices.
So there is the option for him to stand up for himself and seek out help.
Our M.C. might not help him get stronger like she can but its an option.

I don't think Ella can control people like he can.
So I don't think its a stretch to see him as more of a simp than being mind controlled.
Manipulated yes but hes had opportunity to think for himself.
He just doesn't.

agree jake is literally fucked after his arc...
its either dying in our mc hand and get absorbed or the entire organization/sector coming down on his ass
dont forget that ella have no use of him anymore
his fate is sealed when he betraying his only friend

 

[GaRbS]

That's the thing though, he didn't have to listen to her. She said she would kill him as a way to intimidate him because Jake is scary as hell. That part was only ever to motivate him to use his power and stop being a crybaby. She most likely would have ignored him. And no, she wouldn't have killed the MC. At most, she would've just killed Jake as she really doesn't care about him at all.

Yes she would? Ella has killed the MC on two occasions in the bad ends IIRC.

Let me make it clear right here. I don't care at all about Jake's situation from his pov. I don't care that you think it's justified from his side(it's not by the way). I'm the MC, not Jake. What he should've did or what he couldn't help but do is all on his own incompetence. He did a lot stuff Ella didn't tell him to and blames it on the MC "doing it too" to justify his actions.

So Jake deserves to die because he's not the MC and doesn't have plot armor to protect him from the wrong choices, got it.

He could go to the M.C. and seek help.
Hes not even accepting that as an option.

He didn't do so at first because Ella was gas lighting him about the MC being a dangerous killer that would kill Jake if he revealed himself to him, as well as tricking him into thinking the MC didn't really like him by using shapeshifting.

And now he can't do it because Ella is literally ordering him to kill the MC and will not help him save Mia if he doesn't comply.

I don't think Ella can control people like he can.
So I don't think its a stretch to see him as more of a simp than being mind controlled.
Manipulated yes but hes had opportunity to think for himself.
He just doesn't.

I don't think anyone is saying Jake is being mind controlled. Jake can think for himself tho, he has said multiple times that he will try taking care of Ella if it's necessary or if she refuses to hold her end of the deal in helping Mia.

There is really no simping here, Jake doesn't particularly like Ella, rather, he fears her.

Just to add on some stuff. Unless I am not remembering things, I believe most of the stuff people dislike about Jake was Jake's own choices (Ella never told him to do it). Attacking Mia, trying to make MC's BF try to kill himself, and sexually assaulting the girls Jake chose to do himself.

Attacking Mia was an accident, his intention was just to make her forget what she saw.
The MC himself has done worse things than force two girls to reveal their tops, such as shapeshifting to trick people into having sex with him, even using the form of one of his friends.

 

[Rutonat]

Yes she would? Ella has killed the MC on two occasions in the bad ends IIRC.
So Jake deserves to die because he's not the MC and doesn't have plot armor to protect him from the wrong choices, got it.
He didn't do so at first because Ella was gas lighting him about the MC being a dangerous killer that would kill Jake if he revealed himself to him, as well as tricking him into thinking the MC didn't really like him by using shapeshifting.

And now he can't do it because Ella is literally ordering him to kill the MC and will not help him save Mia if he doesn't comply.
I don't think anyone is saying Jake is being mind controlled. Jake can think for himself tho, he has said multiple times that he will try taking care of Ella if it's necessary or if she refuses to hold her end of the deal in helping Mia.

There is really no simping here, Jake doesn't particularly like Ella, rather, he fears her.
Attacking Mia was an accident, his intention was just to make her forget what she saw.
The MC himself has done worse things than force two girls to reveal their tops, such as shapeshifting to trick people into having sex with him, even using the form of one of his friends.

You are far too forgiving with Jake. Basically your whole point of view is "but it's not his fault so he should be considered responsible for what he did, he didn't do anything wrong" apparently. You seem way too fast to consider him incapable of being responsible for his own choices and actions.
He's not incapable of critical thinking. He's not under constant watch. He doesn't have a gun to his head at all times. There was dozens of times he could have noticed Ella's story about the MC being an evil murderous rampaging bastard was pure bullshit. He choose to ignore it and believe Ella without t hinking for himself.
That's not being innocent. Far from it.

 

[GaRbS]

You are far too forgiving with Jake. Basically your whole point of view is "but it's not his fault so he should be considered responsible for what he did, he didn't do anything wrong" apparently. You seem way too fast to consider him incapable of being responsible for his own choices and actions.
He's not incapable of critical thinking. He's not under constant watch. He doesn't have a gun to his head at all times. There was dozens of times he could have noticed Ella's story about the MC being an evil murderous rampaging bastard was pure bullshit. He choose to ignore it and believe Ella without t hinking for himself.
That's not being innocent. Far from it.

He's not innocent but he hardly deserves to die for being manipulated, threatened and blackmailed by Ella, which is the root of the main conflict between Jake and the MC.

 

[Dysphorika]

And Jake is not so an innocent victim when is suposed to plan to kill Ella himself.

 

[monk_56]

The amount of simping for Jake in this forum is too damn high. What exactly excuses him from his crimes? Being too mentally pathetic to resist hurting people? Do people see themselves in his original form and think that is an excuse for being a little asshole?

Jake is a spineless, loser criminal who turned on the person who cared about him the most and used his powers on her non-concentually.

He doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy or to get paired up with one of the best LI.

Even if there is 'repentance' arc this lil asshole doesn't deserve Mia. He wasn't man enough to protect her- he harmed her. Even without the hospitilization he still had every intent to mental assault her by destroying her memories.
He has used his powers to freely sexually assault other innocents as well.

Fuck. Jake. He should be jailed at bare minimum. I will be livid if he gets some sort of happy ending with Mia after being such an absolute cunt.

 

[Rutonat]

He's not innocent but he hardly deserves to die for being manipulated, threatened and blackmailed by Ella, which is the root of the main conflict between Jake and the MC.

So you're implying that, despite being smart enough to use critical thinking and pick up on clues, despite having multiple reasons to doubt Ella's story and even her little impersonation, Jake is justified to believe her and shouldn't be considered responsible, while all the blame should be put on Ella.
You're way to naïve for this game, friend.

Jake had multiple occasions to doubt his Goth Goddess' word. I'll only point the most blatant one : right after the little stunt Ella pulled by impersonating the MC, the real MC went to the beach with all his friends. There, he's nice to Jake. Friendly. Like he's always been.
"Yeah but Jake could think he was because there was other people around".
Not a solid argument, plus I seem to remember a point where him and the MC are alone, or nearly alone anyway. Yet the MC shows himself to be friendly and supportive.
Does that make Jake doubt anything ? Fuck no. He doubles down on pleasing Mommy Ella like a good little simp.

The guy choose his path. He choose what happened and what he did. He's not a defenseless victim. Arguably he has one of the most powerfull powers seen yet (if compairing their immediate power at their starting point), and yet he acts like he's barely able to exist around her and has to do everything she tells him to.
He was used and abused by Jared. He then got used and abused by Ella. There's no difference. He put himself in that situation, choose to never doubt any of her words, to the point of thinking one of the less trustworthy character in the whole game would actually heal Mia out the the kindness of her heart. She won't. She uses that promise to further tie him down. Two minutes of thinking would have told him that.

Jake isn't an innocent victim. He's a willing one. He has the full mental capacity to understand everything that is wrong about the situation, but choose to ignore it and to double down on that path.
He betrays the only person who put himself at risk to protect him from someone he (Jake) thought was absolutely untouchable (Jared, being the Dean's daughter's boyfriend). And in the end, that count for absolutely nothing.
No matter the amount of reasoning and kindness you throw his way. I know, I tried to reason him during the prison part. He doesn't believe a word of it, or cares, in any way. He choose to believe everything Ella told him without question.
He's a tool. He's not a defensless victim.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Yes she would? Ella has killed the MC on two occasions in the bad ends IIRC.
So Jake deserves to die because he's not the MC and doesn't have plot armor to protect him from the wrong choices, got it.
He didn't do so at first because Ella was gas lighting him about the MC being a dangerous killer that would kill Jake if he revealed himself to him, as well as tricking him into thinking the MC didn't really like him by using shapeshifting.

And now he can't do it because Ella is literally ordering him to kill the MC and will not help him save Mia if he doesn't comply.
I don't think anyone is saying Jake is being mind controlled. Jake can think for himself tho, he has said multiple times that he will try taking care of Ella if it's necessary or if she refuses to hold her end of the deal in helping Mia.

There is really no simping here, Jake doesn't particularly like Ella, rather, he fears her.
Attacking Mia was an accident, his intention was just to make her forget what she saw.
The MC himself has done worse things than force two girls to reveal their tops, such as shapeshifting to trick people into having sex with him, even using the form of one of his friends.

No, you didn't remember correctly. She kills the MC on one dead end and that's when she realized he's the perfect piece she was looking for the most. The other time was only if your were under leveled at her apartment(if I recall correctly) and at that point it was your own fault for trying to fight her while being weak. Unlike Jake, The MC doesn't sit around crying all day while blaming other people for his own choices.

And yes, Jake deserves to die. If the option is there this update, he will.

 

[GaRbS]

So you're implying that, despite being smart enough to use critical thinking and pick up on clues, despite having multiple reasons to doubt Ella's story and even her little impersonation, Jake is justified to believe her and shouldn't be considered responsible, while all the blame should be put on Ella.
You're way to naïve for this game, friend.

Jake had multiple occasions to doubt his Goth Goddess' word. I'll only point the most blatant one : right after the little stunt Ella pulled by impersonating the MC, the real MC went to the beach with all his friends. There, he's nice to Jake. Friendly. Like he's always been.
"Yeah but Jake could think he was because there was other people around".
Not a solid argument, plus I seem to remember a point where him and the MC are alone, or nearly alone anyway. Yet the MC shows himself to be friendly and supportive.
Does that make Jake doubt anything ? Fuck no. He doubles down on pleasing Mommy Ella like a good little simp.

The impersonating is the least of Jake's troubles and is not even close to the reason why he's doing what he does. Jake also has no allegiance to Ella, he has remarked multiple times that will deal with her if it comes to that, so I don't really see where this "simping for mommy goth goddess" even comes from.

The guy choose his path. He choose what happened and what he did. He's not a defenseless victim. Arguably he has one of the most powerfull powers seen yet (if compairing their immediate power at their starting point), and yet he acts like he's barely able to exist around her and has to do everything she tells him to.

His power was resisted by the MC, who is only a level 2 in evolution. Ella is a level 4 or 5, don't remember now. If Jake tried to defy her orders she would just kill him.

He was used and abused by Jared. He then got used and abused by Ella. There's no difference. He put himself in that situation, choose to never doubt any of her words, to the point of thinking one of the less trustworthy character in the whole game would actually heal Mia out the the kindness of her heart. She won't. She uses that promise to further tie him down. Two minutes of thinking would have told him that.

She's not doing it out of the kindness of her heart at all tho? That not being the case is the only reason why she demands for Jake to kill the MC.

I know, I tried to reason him during the prison part. He doesn't believe a word of it, or cares, in any way. He choose to believe everything Ella told him without question.
He's a tool. He's not a defensless victim.

Your interactions with Jake must have been really lacking because that's not how he reacts when my MC tries to reason with him.