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Pretty sure he does use it for little details, like the veins on Shen's arms and some shading, not sure if he uses it on much more than that though.
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There is live streams of him doing the art. From the little i saw, he uses 3D models to drawn on top. Maybe he uses AI for something? idk.
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What does that have to do with what Jake did to Mia?
If you pay a guy to drive to the store and buy a bottle of milk, and he runs over someone with his car, you are not a murderer. Because it isn't your fault he ran over someone with his car.
Ella is only guilty of things she actually did, or directly ordered, at most you include things a reasonable person could deduce would follow from her orders.
Which means Ella is responsible for ordering Jake to go after MC and Darryl. But not responsible for what Jake did to Mia.
You are engaging in tribalism. In your mind there are only 2 sides.
Side/Tribe A: Ella is Satan
Side/Tribe B: Ella is Saint
You saw me disagreeing with a point made by someone in Side A (they claimed that Ella is responsible for what Jake did to Mia).
In a fit of tribalism you decided that by daring to disagree of someone from your Tribe, it means I am a member of the only other Tribe in existence, Side B and thus are now straw-manning me by falsely attributing a bunch of claims to me that I did not make but allegedly other members of my Tribe did.
Stop doing that please. There are more than just 2 extreme sides to an issue and not everyone perfectly aligns with whatever "side" you think they belong to. Address what I actually said, not something others have said.
As for what Ella is...
She isn't out there killing people for fun
She is putting people in danger to prepare humanity for survival against what seems to be certain extinction.
Rather than her being "Evil". She is more of a "Renegade".
There are shades of Grey here
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thats pretty fucking cool do all twin apostles have an arbiter that they might've originated from?
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Most absolutely yes, I don't know if you finished the current update but there is an arc in where the MC navigates along 12 paths that are connected to the Apostles and when we "find" one then we can see their presentations and deduct by that what the name of their Arbiter is
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Yeah they all do. In order its:
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I did finish the current update thought it was just talking about the apostles
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Well during the Dead End you get from allowing the Eye to be reborn the Eye itself is incomplete, most likely due to MC's memory powers being unrefined at that point in time. Deus was able to kill the Eye by essentially going back in time and killing the MC before the Eye took over. Bernhardt was able to kill the Eye with his Planck Pressure attack, which essentially hit the Eye with the attractive force of an entire universe.
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Yeah, not really Ella's to blame for Mia, decision to brainfuck her was Jake's one and only, and going with "she led to the situation in the first place, so she's to blame" opens a can of worms that leads to immensely stupid claims, like blaming first man/woman on earth for all the shit that happened.
Neither it's a story for preschoolers, Ella is not a cartoonishly evil villain that does what she does becasue "I'm evil_TM", like everyone else in the story she is a complex character that has angles to it. But about that falsely accusing someone over something they did not claim - we do not know if she, to quote, prepares humanity for survival against annihilation. It might be the case, but we have no confirmation of this - Ella saying that, without anything else in game to really support it, is no proof. She is a known liar, outright stating things that are not true and easily debunked in 10 minutes of play. For all we know her plan might just be amass support of superhumans she made/swayed to her side, bring/hasten the apocalypse and rule as a king of the ashes that are left. Abused children are often, when they grow up, trying to build their self-worth on status and influence just to feel better for the pain they experienced, or use it to have the same leverage to abuse others without consequences, as seen from the perspective of their younger selves. Maybe, I do not know. Maybe she wants to bring the Apostles at person, not through avatars, to be rewarded with some turbo power boost? Maybe, it's all speculation.
But that evil/renegade and not killing for fun part? Not really true. I mean, maybe not for just fun, but she murders a hobo guy for no good reason but being mildly pissed at him. And showing off what she can do to MC, which might actually be just for fun. I don't know how many innocent lives must be taken directly, or make choices that directly lead to deaths while knowing that, for one to be considered evil, but I'd assume it's above zero. Again, she's not a one-dimensional brick labeled "evil" and that's it, the are grays here, but this is just a part of her. Like the twin slurping of Eisheth - she can, she likes the taste, so she kills.
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The Arbiter, and the vessel/avatar for the Arbiter are different things, I think.
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On the two occasions the eye takes control (the one during 3rd evolution and the other during the Cole fight) it mentions how it's still incomplete, so I assume it was far from it's full power.
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Just a wild guess, but this monster could be related to the 10th Apostle, The Fantasy.
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first and foremost take it with a grain of salt. Keep in mind that this game is a shounen cockjump released every 3rd month. The monster parent here seems to be the largest factor alognside you as a person with the monster parent having the more rigid effects on a person. For example if your monster mommy is the 1st apostle your general defenses are weak and offenses but you get the power to mindfuck everyone near you. So you could perhaps be a tier 5 that ultra mindrapes everyone near you and rewrites their cognition however someone with a creation monster parent like Deryl could snipe your head off with some illogical weapon and you just die.
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IIRC she never tells you what her goals are.
The monsters are the ones who tell you that humanity is going to be extinct and there is no use fighting it.
Ella is the one going around giving humans super powers. As well as inciting strife to make them level up.
not hard to put 2+2 together and figure out she is strengthening humanity.
IIRC the hobo in question was trying to rob an orphanage with a knife.
That was a justified execution, not killing for fun. And not "because he mildly annoyed her".
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If you ask Aglaecwif about Ella's plan, she'll tell you this:
"As for why she does the things she does... Cruelty, is one reason. She has a cold, unforgiving heart that despises both your kind and mine. She enjoys seeing us suffer.
Kindness is another reason. She pities those she considers like herself, and desires their salvation, even if it means saving those she despises too, even if it means killing most of those she wants saved."
I'm inclined to believe her given that this information is rated as valuable as 5 strength or 3 skill, and she straight up tells you she doesn't know what exactly Ella intends to do aside from gather the pure hearts of monsters for some dark ritual.
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Yeah, she is greatly contributing to making humanity as a species overall stronger and battle hardened. For what ultimate reason - neither of us can say, any guess is as good as other. I think she just likes watching people suffer as accounting for her past with uncle Thanos, so my guess is not a positive one, pretty much it. I hope we will get more insight into that in 2-3 weeks, but WW is not a storyteller who likes to have things explained top to bottom in one package, so I dunno.
Hobo came, got laughed at by a bunch of kids, took it extremally poorly, and got put at his ass by MC. Then Ella shows up and shoo him away. The guy had no chance at doing anything, even if MC does not choose to help, as one of the kids was reaching to his blindfold, presumably to use his powers on him(kinda vague), and then MC is forced to do this anyway by "mystery forces". The end of an encounter, the guy knows beter now and fucks off into the distance.
After that she takes MC to the guy, guts him with a smile and unravels the "Transform others" power to MC. Why? What is justified here? The guy couldn't and wouldn't do anything to her or the kids, Charlie as a baseline would ensure that if nothing else, and she let him go the first time, didn't she? This was not defense of herself, or the runaway kids. Like, if a guy with multiple sclerosis, that barely even moves, attacks my girlfriend with a rubber knife over any reason, and she could defend herself, if not tear the guy apart - me scaring him away, then taking one of my buddies with me to track the guy, kill him for show and throw his body into a meatgrinder, just to explain to the buddy that the meatgrinder as a tool exists, and he has one in an attic ... Man, this is nothing but cruelty.
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It's easier to get a grasp of the scale by going by the implied cosmic hierarchy and downward.
0. God
1. Outer Twins
2. 6 Arbiters
3. 12 Apostles
4. Qliphoth, Great Ocean and other Gods
5. Chosen, Natural Level 5 Superhumans
6. Level 5 Superhumans, S Class Monsters
7. A Class Monsters, Level 4 Superhumans
8. B Class Monsters, Level 3 Superhumans, limit of human technology and weapons
9. C Class Monsters, Level 2 Superhumans, Peak Humans and others with weapons (monsters or tech)
10. D Class Monsters, Lvl 1 Superhumans, Trained Humans in certain situations
11. E Class Monsters, Regular Humans
Outliers who don't really fit in their appropriate tiers are those like Deus, MC, Henri and Duncan. Mostly because it's implied that some of them have unlocked the original traits or at least have dual traits. Deus in particular was said to completely dwarf Nico in power by Valravn, while only being a Level 4, according to Lisa. Duncan has power on par with Level 5 Superhumans. Being able to one shot A Rank monsters at Level 3.
Origin MC is the tricky one. His powers are incomplete but seeing as he claims to have power beyond the 5th evolution, he should be around the same level as the Qliphoth. Being able to connect to his higher plane to give himself near limitless power. The problem then is that if you sever his connection, which Bernhardt is implied to have done, he's not much of a threat. Around Natural Level 5/Chosen level. Deus likely did something similar as well. Whether it be going back in time to sever his connection or going to the Immaterial world. Which we know Deus can do as he's a Time aligned superhuman. One of the powers that have influence over the Immaterial world.
That said, this list doesn't mean everyone else is equal within their tiers. Some are higher while some are much lower. Nyx, for example, one taps Ella and a bunch of others in the Level 5 section. Then there's Eisheth, as a Chosen, who's way below Malik and Bernhardt, the natural Level 5 Superhumans. This is even while being in her true form. Likely landing around Lexi and Nico tier. Lexi specifically being in the middle, power wise, for the Level 5s at HERO. While Nico is just below the Captains (+ Henri and Deus) in power. Lisa being the only other Lieutenant with more internal power than her. And even she can't beat Nico.
0. God
1. Outer Twins
2. 6 Arbiters
3. 12 Apostles
4. Qliphoth, Great Ocean and other Gods
5. Chosen, Natural Level 5 Superhumans
6. Level 5 Superhumans, S Class Monsters
7. A Class Monsters, Level 4 Superhumans
8. B Class Monsters, Level 3 Superhumans, limit of human technology and weapons
9. C Class Monsters, Level 2 Superhumans, Peak Humans and others with weapons (monsters or tech)
10. D Class Monsters, Lvl 1 Superhumans, Trained Humans in certain situations
11. E Class Monsters, Regular Humans
Outliers who don't really fit in their appropriate tiers are those like Deus, MC, Henri and Duncan. Mostly because it's implied that some of them have unlocked the original traits or at least have dual traits. Deus in particular was said to completely dwarf Nico in power by Valravn, while only being a Level 4, according to Lisa. Duncan has power on par with Level 5 Superhumans. Being able to one shot A Rank monsters at Level 3.
Origin MC is the tricky one. His powers are incomplete but seeing as he claims to have power beyond the 5th evolution, he should be around the same level as the Qliphoth. Being able to connect to his higher plane to give himself near limitless power. The problem then is that if you sever his connection, which Bernhardt is implied to have done, he's not much of a threat. Around Natural Level 5/Chosen level. Deus likely did something similar as well. Whether it be going back in time to sever his connection or going to the Immaterial world. Which we know Deus can do as he's a Time aligned superhuman. One of the powers that have influence over the Immaterial world.
That said, this list doesn't mean everyone else is equal within their tiers. Some are higher while some are much lower. Nyx, for example, one taps Ella and a bunch of others in the Level 5 section. Then there's Eisheth, as a Chosen, who's way below Malik and Bernhardt, the natural Level 5 Superhumans. This is even while being in her true form. Likely landing around Lexi and Nico tier. Lexi specifically being in the middle, power wise, for the Level 5s at HERO. While Nico is just below the Captains (+ Henri and Deus) in power. Lisa being the only other Lieutenant with more internal power than her. And even she can't beat Nico.