VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[OnlineRando]

I am just wondering. It is hinted that he limited his power "Control" to simply controlling people's thoughts/actions. What if control had the ability to effect other things.
I am just letting my mind brainstorm. But what if it could influence the many things that we cant calculate as it happens. A marble rolling down a hill. We can't know the path it will take. Not without measuring every nook and cranny of the mountain to find what will impede one path or another. That would not be re-writing the law that govern the universe, or would it?
Maybe just nudging them a little. But surely not more that is allowed by the observer effect.

This is just a half-formed idea, but with there being multiple references of him limiting his abilities; it has me wondering.
I will have to replay the game and give it more though

Yeah I don't think authority alone can do that. Authority, during the apostle training MC had, said something like "I speak and others obey". That implies that the 1st affects only people, minds, wills, or however you may put it. It only affects things that can decide their own actions.

A rock, meanwhile, cannot decide for itself anything, for it is mindless. No matter how much authority a king has, willing a rock to move won't do anything.

As for altering the rock's path, you are correct that you don't have to necessarily alter the laws of the universe to do that; after all, you can just alter its trajectory, weight, size, shape, and many other factors to achieve the same effect. However, "how the universe works" is rather obscure. Order would probably be able to just make physics go haywire (either in general or only for that rock) and make the rock end up where the user wants it to.

 

[shujuku]

Yeah I don't think authority alone can do that. Authority, during the apostle training MC had, said something like "I speak and others obey". That implies that the 1st affects only people, minds, wills, or however you may put it. It only affects things that can decide their own actions.

A rock, meanwhile, cannot decide for itself anything, for it is mindless. No matter how much authority a king has, willing a rock to move won't do anything.

As for altering the rock's path, you are correct that you don't have to necessarily alter the laws of the universe to do that; after all, you can just alter its trajectory, weight, size, shape, and many other factors to achieve the same effect. However, "how the universe works" is rather obscure. Order would probably be able to just make physics go haywire (either in general or only for that rock) and make the rock end up where the user wants it to.

Hmm its really weird because authority by far is the most broken power out of all apostles because if the user is a very good match then just being near them is ultra mindrape that you cant defend yourself against. Lvl 2 Jake was able to mindrape lvl 5's until he got exposed and he was some shit user, imagine a qualified authority user...

 

[harem.king]

I am just wondering. It is hinted that he limited his power "Control" to simply controlling people's thoughts/actions. What if control had the ability to effect other things.

It explicitly does have the power to affect other things. Warping reality is also a form of control.
Authority is terrifying and not limited to mind control only

 

[OnlineRando]

It explicitly does have the power to affect other things. Warping reality is also a form of control.
Authority is terrifying and not limited to mind control only

Source?

Authority isn't the control of all things. Else, Order wouldn't be different thing.

A chosen of Authority is akin to a king amongst superhumans. Not because of an overwhelming power to shape reality to their whims, that'd be a god, but because they can control everything someone can do.

 

[bfc233]

I don't know, in a weird way authority seems to be the most basic of all powers.
Like, you could argue, all others have a form of power derived from authority over something.

In that way, I think, Authority's most compatible hosts are those that have no authority over themselves.

Where there is a lack of Authority, a foreign one may take hold.

 

[OnlineRando]

I don't know, in a weird way authority seems to be the most basic of all powers.
Like, you could argue, all others have a form of power derived from authority over something.

In that way, I think, Authority's most compatible hosts are those that have no authority over themselves.

Where there is a lack of Authority, a foreign one may take hold.

I'd say you were correct if Authority was the control over everything. However, the existence of Order and the other "higher" powers, as well as the twin gods render that pretty unlikely. Authority, just like all the other apostles, supposedly comes from one of the twin gods splitting themselves, and isn't the parent of the other apostles.

Authority is quite literally authority in the same sense that a ruler has authority over their subjects. That is the simplest definition of authority there is.

 

[Grimnir098]

Source?

Authority isn't the control of all things. Else, Order wouldn't be different thing.

A chosen of Authority is akin to a king amongst superhumans. Not because of an overwhelming power to shape reality to their whims, that'd be a god, but because they can control everything someone can do.

Ella explicitly says that Authority isn't as limited as Jake makes it. That his self-consciousness caused him to focus on people so much.
Most likely, Authority is mind control and telekinesis.

 

[Klab040855]

Is there a date for the next release?

 

[bfc233]

I'd say you were correct if Authority was the control over everything. However, the existence of Order and the other "higher" powers, as well as the twin gods render that pretty unlikely. Authority, just like all the other apostles, supposedly comes from one of the twin gods splitting themselves, and isn't the parent of the other apostles.

Authority is quite literally authority in the same sense that a ruler has authority over their subjects. That is the simplest definition of authority there is.

You misunderstand what I'm trying to say so much, you argue I'm wrong with points that actually support me.

The axiom of this discussion is that authority is authority et al..

The first argument is that Authority is what's left if you cut all implicit authority out of authority et al..

The second part is that Authority only works where there is space for explicit authority and that is where implicit authority is weak enough.

It's also why I fundamentally believe that Jake, if he mastered his his powers and reached his fifth evolution, could use his authority to control the world, even though the scales are stacked against him.

 

[OnlineRando]

Ella explicitly says that Authority isn't as limited as Jake makes it. That his self-consciousness caused him to focus on people so much.
Most likely, Authority is mind control and telekinesis.

That can be interpreted in many ways though. It doesn't necessarily mean he missed an entire aspect of his powers. It could easily (and more reasonably) be interpreted as Ella implying that Jake was either uncreative and/or unskilled at using his power.

...I don't remember that scene, though, so I may be wrong.

 

[OnlineRando]

You misunderstand what I'm trying to say so much, you argue I'm wrong with points that actually support me.

The axiom of this discussion is that authority is authority et al..

The first argument is that Authority is what's left if you cut all implicit authority out of authority et al..

The second part is that Authority only works where there is space for explicit authority and that is where implicit authority is weak enough.

It's also why I fundamentally believe that Jake, if he mastered his his powers and reached his fifth evolution, could use his authority to control the world, even though the scales are stacked against him.

And the "axiom" of what I said is that according to what we know right now, it would make little sense for that to be correct.

Authority as you describe it would be omnipotence that affects everything relative to or weaker than him. Omnipotence would naturally be the power of god. The original omnipotent god was split into two different gods, who then each split into six other gods.

Authority is one of these gods, and so such a great amount of influence over the domains of what amount to its equals in the other arbiters would make little sense.

Now, if by "control the world" you mean in the sense of controlling the people within it, then I'd completely agree. However, that should be the extent of Authority as we know it. Controlling people and their actions.

 

[DannyLucifer]

How the fuck did Ella cause Mia?

Jake fucked up by getting caught by Mia
Then he fucked up by panicking.
Then he fucked up by using his power on mia
Then he fucked up by botching his use of powers mia due to his panic.
Then he evolved while using his powers on mia
Then he fucked up by losing control over his evolution like a chump.

There is no possible universe in which you can forsee such a chain of fuckups without explicitly having future sight super power.

Also, "I will heal her if you do X" is not hostage.
You are not just magically entitled to someone coming over and healing you.
This is why we pay doctors.

So you are telling me Ella did NOT turn into MC to trick and drive apart Jake and MC?
She didn't tell Jake to Kill MC?
She didn't tell Jake to turn Deryll into her slave?
She doesn't run an orphanage where she uses Kids for HER goal, also probably didn't brainwash them?
She also didnt let loose an uncontrollable monster that cause the death of 50 people?
She also propably didnt trick hundreds of people to take the a pill that most of the time would kill them or turn them into a monster?

After all this if you still think Ella isn't a c*nt, i dont know what to tell you bro

 

[Nexum768]

Any guesses on what the eye is?

 

[Nexum768]

Is there a date for the next release?

early december if i recall correctly

 

[HarryDubois420]

Say, does the dev use AI for some of his art? Because some of the shading in the new arts give off that AI generated vibe. Maybe it's just me.

 

[TheShelly]

Any guesses on what the eye is?

The Eye is heavily hinted to be the Arbiter of Evolution, a kind of higher tier god that is above the Apostles and possibly the origin of the 3rd and the 4th.

 

[The Specter]

Say, does the dev use AI for some of his art? Because some of the shading in the new arts give off that AI generated vibe. Maybe it's just me.

Pretty sure he does use it for little details, like the veins on Shen's arms and some shading, not sure if he uses it on much more than that though.

 

[JmTrad]

Say, does the dev use AI for some of his art? Because some of the shading in the new arts give off that AI generated vibe. Maybe it's just me.

There is live streams of him doing the art. From the little i saw, he uses 3D models to drawn on top. Maybe he uses AI for something? idk.

 

[harem.king]

So you are telling me Ella did NOT turn into MC to trick and drive apart Jake and MC?
She didn't tell Jake to Kill MC?
She didn't tell Jake to turn Deryll into her slave?
She doesn't run an orphanage where she uses Kids for HER goal, also probably didn't brainwash them?
She also didnt let loose an uncontrollable monster that cause the death of 50 people?
She also propably didnt trick hundreds of people to take the a pill that most of the time would kill them or turn them into a monster?

What does that have to do with what Jake did to Mia?

If you pay a guy to drive to the store and buy a bottle of milk, and he runs over someone with his car, you are not a murderer. Because it isn't your fault he ran over someone with his car.

Ella is only guilty of things she actually did, or directly ordered, at most you include things a reasonable person could deduce would follow from her orders.
Which means Ella is responsible for ordering Jake to go after MC and Darryl. But not responsible for what Jake did to Mia.

After all this if you still think Ella isn't a c*nt, i dont know what to tell you bro

You are engaging in tribalism. In your mind there are only 2 sides.
Side/Tribe A: Ella is Satan
Side/Tribe B: Ella is Saint

You saw me disagreeing with a point made by someone in Side A (they claimed that Ella is responsible for what Jake did to Mia).

In a fit of tribalism you decided that by daring to disagree of someone from your Tribe, it means I am a member of the only other Tribe in existence, Side B and thus are now straw-manning me by falsely attributing a bunch of claims to me that I did not make but allegedly other members of my Tribe did.
Stop doing that please. There are more than just 2 extreme sides to an issue and not everyone perfectly aligns with whatever "side" you think they belong to. Address what I actually said, not something others have said.

As for what Ella is...
She isn't out there killing people for fun
She is putting people in danger to prepare humanity for survival against what seems to be certain extinction.
Rather than her being "Evil". She is more of a "Renegade".
There are shades of Grey here

 

[Nexum768]

The Eye is heavily hinted to be the Arbiter of Evolution, a kind of higher tier god that is above the Apostles and possibly the origin of the 3rd and the 4th.

thats pretty fucking cool do all twin apostles have an arbiter that they might've originated from?