Nexum768

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Oh man, I put off coming back here because I was feeling kind of burnt out on the arguing, but that's it?
"WW said so."
Really?
I mean, putting aside the fact that Word of God doesn't supersede the text, wasn't one of our points of contention that we defined evil differently?
Just because WW considers Ella to be an 'evil bitch' doesn't mean anyone else should.
Not to mention WW is, by his own admission, flippant, changes his mind, and lies all the time. You need to consider the context of his statements. That's why even though WW said that Jared is getting a redemption arc, no one actually believes him.

P.S. Funny that you make a jab about me twisting your words when that's literally what you did to my 1st point, which I even called you out for.
I'm still gonna kill jared if i get the chance to
 

dragonlord6789

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I recall Ella saying that his power is not supposed to be only able to affect living things and it turns out that way only because of Jake's mentality. So his power should be able to affect objects even at lv1 if the host is not such a pussy.
But what would affecting objects at level 1 or 2 look like? Jake's mind control doesn't seem to make the people he is controlling exceed their limits a large margin, so at the end of the day would it be like telling a car to self-drive? In which case would authority be relatively useless on simple objects?
 

DrakoGhoul

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Correct me if I am wrong. But I thought Jake power was control, not mind control. He just perceived it that was
Pretty much, Jake ruined the Authority trait and turned it lesser because of his mind set. He's not as strong as he could've been because of his low self esteem and insecurity issues. It's not exactly clear if this change is reversible or not, but pretty much Jake won't actually be as strong in the higher evolutions, if he can't fix it. He likely won't be able to do the things a 1st Spawn should be able to do.

Like Aglaecwif said. A weak mind can ruin the greatest of potential or something like that.
 

SquallofNight

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Guys I'm curious which apostles chosen would you say is the rarest
Chosen you mean the ones like Indra, Glae and Valravn? or you mean Apostles Spawn? 'cause we know Glae is the OG chosen of the 10th (GILF/MILF), with Indra being almost as old. While some of them (1th, 5th, 8th, 11th) we know nothing about.
If you're talking about spawns, them Memory and Power would be my guess. Power has insane conditions to even appear in the material world, while mommy is picky as fuck.
 

Nexum768

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Chosen you mean the ones like Indra, Glae and Valravn? or you mean Apostles Spawn? 'cause we know Glae is the OG chosen of the 10th (GILF/MILF), with Indra being almost as old. While some of them (1th, 5th, 8th, 11th) we know nothing about.
If you're talking about spawns, them Memory and Power would be my guess. Power has insane conditions to even appear in the material world, while mommy is picky as fuck.
we can likely assume that the chosen we dont really see were killed by indra/valravn
 
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Dipasimaan

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Chosen you mean the ones like Indra, Glae and Valravn? or you mean Apostles Spawn? 'cause we know Glae is the OG chosen of the 10th (GILF/MILF), with Indra being almost as old. While some of them (1th, 5th, 8th, 11th) we know nothing about.
If you're talking about spawns, them Memory and Power would be my guess. Power has insane conditions to even appear in the material world, while mommy is picky as fuck.
Dark too I say that's pretty rare, we haven't even see anyone apart from Valravn that had inherited the Dark powers. At the most there were some that had some of it but very little.

Light too is rare, especially because apparently it's "dead" as in he can't connect to the material world for now
 

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we can likely assume that the chosen we dont really see were killed by indra/valravn
Yeah, that's what Valravn tells mom: "That fool Indra killed as many as I have", so three each.

Dark too I say that's pretty rare, we haven't even see anyone apart from Valravn that had inherited the Dark powers. At the most there were some that had some of it but very little.
True. I actually had forgot we only have Valravn of the 7th until now. The 8th, Light, isn't THAT rare. We at least got Tiff and Clark, they just need more screentime.
 
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OnlineRando

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Correct me if I am wrong. But I thought Jake power was control, not mind control. He just perceived it that was
Well, depends what you consider to be control. Authority is control over people, so Jake can't just control the world as he pleases. Order, meanwhile, being the fusion of authority and power, is said to "write the laws that govern the universe", so that would be closer to complete control of everything.

In reality, every apostle's power controls a certain aspect of the world. Authority controls wills, power controls, well, power/energy, body controls the physical, etc.
 

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Yeah, that's what Valravn tells mom: "That fool Indra killed as many as I have", so three each.


True. I actually had forgot we only have Valravn of the 7th until now. The 8th, Light, isn't THAT rare. We at least got Tiff and Clark, they just need more screentime.
Only Tiff is an Apostle Spawn, for what we can assume at least. Clark is definitively not one. Even if he was there were just two people among so many others
 

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Only Tiff is an Apostle Spawn, for what we can assume at least. Clark is definitively not one. Even if he was there were just two people among so many others
Oh, I agree on that. I used Clark because he has a connection to the Light trait, we just don't know how much (such as his lineage and generation).
Thinking about it now, Time also is lacking in showings with only Zacky loops since Deus is a incognita.
 
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OnlineRando

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Yeah, that's what Valravn tells mom: "That fool Indra killed as many as I have", so three each.


True. I actually had forgot we only have Valravn of the 7th until now. The 8th, Light, isn't THAT rare. We at least got Tiff and Clark, they just need more screentime.
Isn't Minyak part darkness? So Kenny technically? Nyx's powers also seem to fit well with darkness.

I'm sure you'd find Darkness superhumans if you searched well enough, but it is true that they have quite minor roles compared to the rest of the cast.
 

Dipasimaan

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Oh, I agree on that. I used Clark because he has a connection to the Light trait, we just don't know how much (such as lineage and generation).
Thinking about it now, Time also is lacking in showings with only Zacky loops since Deus is a incognita.
In theory Deus too should be of Time as he was kinda doing the job of Zack while he was incacipated.

Btw, I got why you used Clark but I feel like he's kind of Power/Light and maybe something else. In my original post I said how I was purposefully excluding people who most likely have a percentage, be it small or large, of something.
we haven't even see anyone apart from Valravn that had inherited the Dark powers. At the most there were some that had some of it but very little.
I simply wasn't specific enough
 
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SquallofNight

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Isn't Minyak part darkness? So Kenny technically? Nyx's powers also seem to fit well with darkness.

I'm sure you'd find Darkness superhumans if you searched well enough, but it is true that they have quite minor roles compared to the rest of the cast.
It's less about the amount of monster with some traits of it, but monster that are directly connected to it. Ex., Minyak has some Dark in it, but it's mainly composed of Body and Authority. As such, its power works more like Authority (controlling biological beings with its oil) and Body (shaping and regenerating itself).

We're talking more about it using the Trait directly. Like, Valravn can teleport through shadows, nullify powers with its miasma, shoot dark matter. Nyx is almost confirmed to have Dark in her (and maybe some Memory). She just needs more showings to confirm it.
 
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